Sola Scriptura is Absolutely biblical

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Reformed said:
I cannot debate you into receiving spiritual truth. It is only by God the Holy Spirit who opens our minds and heart to receive additional truth through the Scriptures.
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No need for that, Reformed. Catholics have already received the fullness of Truth through the Apostles. This is why the Catholic church penned the NT. That is why it is a Catholic book! 👍
Reformed said:
Apologetics and debates tend to be of the flesh.
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Well, speak for yourself! The word “apologia” means to make a defense of the faith. It is not supposed to be fleshly. If yours is, maybe it is time to look at what you are doing?

Acts 19:33
“make a defense before the people”

Acts 22:1
“listen to the defense that I now make before you.”

Acts 24:10 “I cheerfully make my defense”

Acts 25:16
“given an opportunity to make a defense”

Acts 26:2
“I am to make my defense today against all the accusations”

Phil 1:16
“These proclaim Christ out of love, knowing that I have been put here for the defense of the gospel”

1 Peter 3:15-16
“Always be ready to make your defense to anyone who demands from you an accounting for the hope that is in you; 16 yet do it with gentleness and reverence.”

If you cannot engage in apologetics without love, gentleness, and reverence, perhaps you might consider another past time? It seems like your primary purpose here on CAF is to evangelize, maybe there is a forum for that?
Reformed said:
I think we all need to be humble before God, pray and ask with a pure heart that God will enable us to see the gospel of grace with greater clarity and awe. If we are able to approach the Scriptures with a teachable and humble heart, who knows what God will reveal to us wretched sinners? If you are not willing to read and the study the Scriptures for yourself, then you will be stuck in your current understanding.
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Your other posts have shown that this statement above, though sounding very spiritual and lofty, represents nothing but a white washed wall. 🤷
 
Rightlydivide said:
Authoritative teachings for who? You?
We do not use the same canon.
And once again you guys go to church Saturday or Sunday. That is a fact.
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I think your chaff bundles need refilled!
OK, we’ll deal with yor canon…should be easy for you to provide the Bible verses that define it…maybe we should look out for flares on this pass!
 
Rightlydivide said:
We do not need to know what the canon was in 30 AD. Most of you do not accept that there was one. You believe in the myth of a different canon for different groups of Jews. Of course the Bible rejects this and also scholars are coming around to this as well.
Finally the myth of an Alexandrian canon is being exposed for the myth that it is.
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Please, provide the Bible verses that prove your assertion!
 
Rightlydivide said:
I have yet to ever see a single solitary sacred tradition outside of scripture to have been proven to come from Christ. Not one.
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Why would you? Sacred Tradition contains articles of faith, not “proofs”. In fact, the one biggest most widespread representation of Sacred Tradition, the New Testiment, is fiercely defended by Protestants, usually having no knowledge that it’s entire contents are the sole product of Sacred Tradition.
Rightlydivide said:
Scripture is God identified. God is the authority. God needs what? God needs an extra scriptural authority? God needs?
I would never pretend to tell God, the creator of everything, what he needs. In his Bible, he never said he needed an extra sctiptural authority. If 2000 years later, you think he needed that, it shows a lack of faith in the power of God.
God gave us his scripture. I believe in a God big enough to do that.
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I think it shows a lack of faith not accepting the authority that Jesus has appointed to teach the Church.
 
cfrancis said:
Again, your issue with the Vigil Mass is what?
I suppose you’ll next condemn us for having Mass Mon-Sat…look out, more chaff coming!!!
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You said you go to church on Sunday. I simply mentioned it can be Saturday or Sunday. So I am not sure what you are talking about.
 
guanophore said:
Why would you? Sacred Tradition contains articles of faith, not “proofs”. In fact, the one biggest most widespread representation of Sacred Tradition, the New Testiment, is fiercely defended by Protestants, usually having no knowledge that it’s entire contents are the sole product of Sacred Tradition.
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So when you say that you believe in Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture you mean that Sacred Scripture IS Sacred Tradition?
I don’t know exactly what you call it but you guys claim to have stuff that comes from Christ and his apostles outside of scripture. It seems reasonable you could prove it. But you cannot. Because it does not exist.
 
Rightlydivide said:
You said you go to church on Sunday. I simply mentioned it can be Saturday or Sunday. So I am not sure what you are talking about.
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I can go to Mass every day of the week!
But you continually refer to the Vigil Mass, and I don’t understand why…probably more chaff and flare…
 
RD,
Can you provide any Bible verses that define the canon of Scripture?
 
Rightlydivide said:
You said you go to church on Sunday. I simply mentioned it can be Saturday or Sunday. So I am not sure what you are talking about.
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Oh, look…in the face of a pre-emptive strike, the results foment no more than “obfuscatory” comment…
 
cfrancis said:
I can go to Mass every day of the week!
But you continually refer to the Vigil Mass, and I don’t understand why…probably more chaff and flare…
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If you guys have a so called sacred tradition that comes from Christ or his apostles that you can go to church on Saturday or Sunday, I would like to see the proof.
You were the one who brought up some kind of tradition that stated that.
 
Rightlydivide said:
Man is not capable of being an authority over God’s writings. God is above man.
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This is true, and neither is man able to produce anything inspired-inerrant without God. Yet, Catholics did produce the NT, which is, as we all agree, inspired-inerrant. How did this happen?

2 Peter 1:21
men and women moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God

Just as happens in the Catholic Church today. God is above man. He is above His Holy Writings, and His Holy Church, and He guides her without fail.
 
Rightlydivide said:
If you guys have a so called sacred tradition that comes from Christ or his apostles that you can go to church on Saturday or Sunday, I would like to see the proof.
You were the one who brought up some kind of tradition that stated that.
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You need to adjust your chaff pattern…
Can you provide any Bible verses that define the canon of Scripture?
 
Rightlydivide said:
So when you say that you believe in Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture you mean that Sacred Scripture IS Sacred Tradition?
I don’t know exactly what you call it but you guys claim to have stuff that comes from Christ and his apostles outside of scripture. It seems reasonable you could prove it. But you cannot. Because it does not exist.
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Can you provide an “iota” of proof that it does not exist? Have you the keys to the Vatican in your pocket? Does this mean that those of you outside the Catholic Church are in possession of all earthly documents penned by every man and woman who ever put pen or quill to paper, or ancient writes who put a writing instrument to a clay tablet, or chiseled a stone tablet?

Please provide the “proofs” you possess. And don’t bother trying to say you can’t prove a negative. You have already attempted that with your previous statement.
 
cfrancis said:
RD,
Can you provide any Bible verses that define the canon of Scripture?
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No. None are needed. God provided the Bible. I have never said that you need the list in the Bible itself. God is the authority and he gave us the Bible. I would never limit God.
The proof is actually in the Bible to support my view. In 2nd Timothy it is referred to as “scripture” and yet it does not state what that is. I believe God that he had scripture at the time but did not need to define that in scripture itself.
Now if you want to argue with God about the framework he sets, knock yourself out.
Your view that an extra authority is needed is not in the Bible, it is not the view of any of the early patristic writings, and cannot be defended.
 
guanophore said:
This is true, and neither is man able to produce anything inspired-inerrant without God. Yet, Catholics did produce the NT, which is, as we all agree, inspired-inerrant. How did this happen?

2 Peter 1:21
men and women moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God

Just as happens in the Catholic Church today. God is above man. He is above His Holy Writings, and His Holy Church, and He guides her without fail.
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I agree with some of what you wrote but as everyone else you put your particular denominaton above God. It is a shame but I see a lot of that.
 
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justasking4 said:
What is your definition of Sola Scriptura?
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An INVALID MAN-MADE ATTEMPT TO CONFINE GOD AND HIS WORD TO A LITTLE BOX WHEREIN EACH AND EVERY BILLY-JOEBOB CAN SET UP A CHURCH IN A TENT AND TELL THE WORLD WHAT “GOD” SAID.

Frankly, there was no such thing as “sola scriptura” until the 1500’s when Luther was sitting on the “throne”…and yes, I do mean precisely “that” throne… should you feel the inclination to go “indignant”…KNOCK YOURSELF OUT!! But before you go off the deep end and make some silly reply… go here and read the first couple of paragraphs: tanbooks.com/doct/facts_luther.htm 😃
 
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