Someone explain again why Ecclesia Dei is ignored by friends and members of SSPX?

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TNT said:
Other than the Prince of Mischief’s #2, doesn’t more it describe the TLM and NOT the NOM?
In other words, the SSPX complies (sans #2) and the NOM empirically violates all of it?
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How ironic, isn’t it? SSPX says it can’t live with the Vat II documents, yet they’d practically have the Vatican if they would state otherwise. The burden would then be put on the modernists to adhere to their own documents.
 
TNT said:
Other than the Prince of Mischief’s #2, doesn’t more it describe the TLM and NOT the NOM?
In other words, the SSPX complies (sans #2) and the NOM empirically violates all of it?
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  1. In virtue of power conceded by the law, the regulation of the liturgy within certain defined limits belongs also to various kinds of competent territorial bodies of bishops legitimately established…
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Well, it does say “bishops legitimately established.” 😃
 
BobP123 said:
Not infallible though. Otherwise it would engender a massive abuse of power.
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Bob, you know infallibility belongs to the Pope when he is speaking in matters of faith and morals. (And apparently the laity when they want to implement changes)
 
Jehanne_Darc said:
I did not think that this was so recent, but for what it is worth here is what I read recently:

catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=23123
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“The Society of St. Pius X and St. Michael the Archangel Chapel both oppose the liturgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council and celebrate Mass in the Tridentine rite.”

I thought it was already established that the Novus Ordo opposed the reforms of the Second Vatican Council. Maybe the bishops had their own councils that they’re talking about here?
 
bear06 said:
What you are seeing is really two sides of the same coin. The SSPX ignores one part and the liberals ignore the other part and each point to each other as why they somehow can’t be obedient. And some of us sit in the middle and say “you’re both wrong”.

Has Bishop Bruskewitz done something recently with the SSPX? If so, I’d love to see the link for that one.
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Love it!
 
TNT said:
Are you sure that isn’t the SSPX Manifesto?
Other than part of #2, not a single one of those is present in the whole world of the NO Mass.
BTW:
#2 obviates or makes worthless all the other stuff. Clever eh?
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So now you are omnipresent?
They are at the masses I attend!
 
paramedicgirl said:
54…steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them. **Pope Paul VI authorized bishops’ conferences to determine to what extent the vernacular would be used. Each conferences determination had to be ratified by the Holy See. The all vernacular missals, as submitted by the bishops’ conferences and approved by the Holy See (who has the competant authority to do so) are not even a minor abuse, let alone an overt act of disobedience that can be compared to Archbishop’s Lefebreve and the bishops he ordained. In fact, in a parochial school, it would be a great lesson in CONTRAST. **

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“The SSPX remains outside of communion with the Church. Those who “seek to adhere to the schism of Msgr. LeFebvre,” Pope John Paul II says, “incur ipso facto [that is, automatically] the extremely grave penalty of excommunication.” Therefore, Catholics should not participate in any SSPX activities, including their illicit Masses, lest they risk automatic excommunication…”

“When St. Thomas More was told by someone that “heresy” was not a likable word, he simply
replied that it wasn’t a likable thing.”
"The same can be said of schism. Schism is a grave offense that violates the unity of the family of God, and excommunication is a pastoral response to remedy such
action. "
"CUF is one of the few organizations where someone attracted to the SSPX can get sound
pastoral advice. We urge our members to bear no animosity toward any members of the SSPX, but
rather desire that they come into full communion with us in the Roman Catholic Church. This was also
Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz’s intention in issuing a warning of excommunication to those who formally
adhere to the SSPX in the Diocese of Lincoln, Nebraska.
In Ecclesia Dei, Pope John Paul II writes: “From this reflection, all should draw a renewed
and efficacious conviction of the necessity of strengthening still more their fidelity by rejecting erroneous
interpretations and arbitrary and unauthorized applications in matters of doctrine, liturgy, and discipline.”

The above quotes are taken from this link;cuf.org/FileDownloads/socpiusx.pdf
 
Mary_Henley said:
So now you are omnipresent?
They are at the masses I attend!
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Really,
Tell us what N O Mass has the following:
6.1. Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites.

54…steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.

115…Composers and singers, especially boys, must also be given a genuine liturgical training.
  1. The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services.
I really would like to know WHERE. I’ll point anyone I know who loves the N O Mass to that church. Really will.
Do they have an internet site?
[Actually, I did know one in South Dallas and went there often. Then the bishop sent the pastor responsible off to the rural town of Greenville, Tx.]
 
Mary_Henley said:
The SSPX and those who hold their teachings are excommunicated.

See the link below.
I would fear for my immortal soul if I sat and listened to the teachings at a SSPX mass…they are saturated with the spirit of dissent.
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AGREED.
Now, What are “their teachings”, I mean, an example of what they are teaching.
For instance.
“listened to the teachings at an SSPX mass” which were (are) as follows:
(You finish it.)
 
Mary_Henley said:
The SSPX and those who hold their teachings are excommunicated.

I f you’re in Lincoln, Nebraska, yes.
See the link below.
I would fear for my immortal soul if I sat and listened to the teachings at a SSPX mass…they are saturated with the spirit of dissent.
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cuf.org/LayWitness/online_view.asp?lwID=249](http://www.cuf.org/FileDownloads/socpiusx.pdf)](http://www.cuf.org/LayWitness/online_view.asp?lwID=249)
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I sat through a homily by Bishop Tissier in November and it was all about the seven sacraments, and how they give us grace. Oh, yeah, he mentioned heaven and hell, and sanctifying grace, too. If you had of been there, would you have feared for your immortal soul, listening to that homily? Just wondering, 'cause of your remark above.
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TNT said:
Really,
Tell us what N O Mass has the following:
6.1. Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites.

54…steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.

115…Composers and singers, especially boys, must also be given a genuine liturgical training.
  1. The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services.
I really would like to know WHERE. I’ll point anyone I know who loves the N O Mass to that church. Really will.
Do they have an Internet site?
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Try Thomas Aquinas Collage for one…I don’t know where the heck you are going to Mass…but a simple search on the web reveals many…many…( the correct use of the word many…) masses that retain the beauty meant to be an integral part of them.👍
We sing the Gregorian Chant Mass at my parish!👍
Father is one of the churches most devoted, pastoral, men and I am proud to attend the mass of Bl. Paul Vl.👍

thomasaquinas.edu/
 
paramedicgirl said:
I sat through a homily by Bishop Tissier in November and it was all about the seven sacraments, and how they give us grace. Oh, yeah, he mentioned heaven and hell, and sanctifying grace, too. If you had of been there, would you have feared for your immortal soul, listening to that homily? Just wondering, 'cause of your remark above.
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Unfortunately the infection really is contagious:eek:
You may need to get that looked at:p

I fear for my soul daily…Satan does go about like a roaring lion seeking souls to devour…
 
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