Someone explain again why Ecclesia Dei is ignored by friends and members of SSPX?

[TNT]

When I do my searches for a Parish in good standing I look at the bulletins…see how they treat Perpetual Adoration…see what books they use for CCD…
common…be a little more resourceful

That has what to do with Latin Ordinary, and Gregorian chant?
I also did a search:
“Gregorian Chant”+“Sunday Mass”+“sacrosanctum”
No luck there either.​

BTW:
Are you saying that CCD is possibly defective in some parishes?
I mean filter their curricula to see if it meets what criteria?
I can go to ANY SSPX Catechism aka CCD class and get the very same teachings because they all use the Baltimore Catechism (adult or youngster versions).​

Yes, I am the one who coined Ecumenating. But Paul VI was the first to actually do it.
He’s kinda the Chuck Yeager of Ecumenating.

 

[Uxor]

When I do my searches for a Parish in good standing I look at the bulletins…see how they treat Perpetual Adoration…see what books they use for CCD…
common…be a little more resourceful

If they have Perpetual Adoration? I’ve been there done that. Leave all the doors unlock, Adorers not showing, Adorers leaving Our Lord left alone because their relief didn’t show. Keys to the Tabernacle left on the shelve. People bringing their teens in listening to their IPOD right next to the Altar. New Age Books in the bookshelve to read. A nightmare!

 

[TNT]

Ah, Msgr. Perle’s letter. It STILL does not say what you and others alledge, in fact it specifically states that the congregation from whom the letter was solicited cannot recommend attendance.

Here’s are more accurate posts regarding the SSPX:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=135003
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=85351

the congregation from whom the letter was solicited cannot recommend attendance.

I don’t recommend Jullio & Gallo but so what?
I also do not recommend dancing masses, but the NO masses have them…many (in the true sense) more than any Latin Ordinary Mass.

 

[Mary_Henley]

1. Yes
2. Yes

For example, say Pope Benedict “reveals himself” to be a heretic tomorrow - we can assume he would never dare publish anything too crazy, the heresy would be something quite minor. He might say Jesus’ Divinity didn’t include His hair…

He could never proclaim that as an infallible dogma, because it just doesn’t qualify as one of those teachings. We’d simply let him wallow in his own heresy for however many years, and when he died, the next pope, we would pray, would then state ALL of Jesus was Divine, including His hair.

You might say: “well, changing the liturgy is more important that that!” And I would say: “the ‘bad’ changes have been made by YOU in society, by allowing such things as guitars and bad architecture to invade the Church.” Don’t blame some bishops 40+ years ago for YOUR ugly parish church. Don’t blame them for wishy-washy homilies, don’t blame them for the ecumenicism/indifferentism that plagues the Church, don’t blame them for the ills of modern society - blame modern society!

In short, there is no merit to Sedevacantism; it is a “cop-out”, it is used by people that don’t want to face the real world, they don’t want to face a culture that is SICK, they want to pretend to be “back in the good ole days”. We live in an especially SICK society here in the United States, and it isn’t much better in France, and it’s really not all that much better in even Bavaria or Poland, and it’s getting worse in Spain and Portugal. The situations in Mexico, Central and South America are so far removed from our own in the West, it would be difficult to even convince people of the Sedevacantist frame of mind - I honestly believe it is a luxury of the West for people to even explore such novelties.

Instead of running around crying that the Holy See is vacant, why not run around and harass heretical priests and bishops? Why not continue to evangelize and instruct people in the Faith? Why not make it a point to go to Daily Mass at your local parish? Quit playing games, and join the real world: that’s what I say to the Sedevacantists and the like.

wow!
You mean there is no such thing as **no-fault **Catholicism!
You mean I have to buck up and take responsibility?
You mean I have to be positive?

 

[Mary_Henley]

If they have Perpetual Adoration? I’ve been there done that. Leave all the doors unlock, Adorers not showing, Adorers leaving Our Lord left alone because their relief didn’t show. Keys to the Tabernacle left on the shelve. People bringing their teens in listening to their IPOD right next to the Altar. New Age Books in the bookshelve to read. A nightmare!

cuf.org/FileDownloads/litabuse.pdf

I cannot recommend this group strongly enough…they have single handedly taken on many an abuse in the Parishes I have been to.
You fight the good fight…within the ring…

 

[Mary_Henley]

QUOTE=Uxor;1970277]If they have Perpetual Adoration? I’ve been there done that. Leave all the doors unlock, Adorers not showing, Adorers leaving Our Lord left alone because their relief didn’t show. Keys to the Tabernacle left on the shelve. People bringing their teens in listening to their IPOD right next to the Altar. New Age Books in the bookshelve to read. A nightmare!

cuf.org/FileDownloads/litabuse.pdf

There is a right way and a wrong way to approach abuse.
Use your chain of command!
The Holy Scriptures give us detailed directives on how to deal with the offender.
Faint heart never won Fair Lady!
Use the weapons that are available…if there are problems on the Barque of Peter don’t jump ship and begin attacking the Ship…stay on board and help to eradicate those causing the problems.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

I don’t recommend Jullio & Gallo but so what?
I also do not recommend dancing masses, but the NO masses have them…many (in the true sense) more than any Latin Ordinary Mass.

A) You don’t have the authority of the Holy See (neither do I).

B) No one’s soul hangs in the balance on the question of Earnest and Julio Gallo’s wine.

 

[paramedicgirl]

Dear one…the Mass and the sacraments offered by SSPX are illicit…
Your love cannot change that.
The Sacrament of Confession is INVALID…your love cannot change that.

Well, if you say so, Mary. You must know better than the Church, because as long as we don’t adhere to the schism, we can attend SSPX Masses out of love for the ancient rite.

 

[Brendan]

Really,
Tell us what N O Mass has the following:

Assumption Grotto Church in Detroit.

The N.O. Mass is said ad orientum, in Latin with Gregorian Chant.

Here is Christmas Mass at Assumption

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[Mary_Henley]

Well, if you say so, Mary. You must know better than the Church, because as long as we don’t adhere to the schism, we can attend SSPX Masses out of love for the ancient rite.

No, my dear, simply put, I am learning WHAT the Church teaches. I never claimed to teach Her nor did I claim to know more than She.:tsktsk:
She has taught us both from Rome and from the USCB that these masses are illicit. The Sacrament of Confession is invalid…
I am really and truly sorry that it is SO difficult for some “catholics” to adhere to

 

[Uxor]

QUOTE=Uxor;1970277]If they have Perpetual Adoration? I’ve been there done that. Leave all the doors unlock, Adorers not showing, Adorers leaving Our Lord left alone because their relief didn’t show. Keys to the Tabernacle left on the shelve. People bringing their teens in listening to their IPOD right next to the Altar. New Age Books in the bookshelve to read. A nightmare!

cuf.org/FileDownloads/litabuse.pdf

There is a right way and a wrong way to approach abuse.
Use your chain of command!
The Holy Scriptures give us detailed directives on how to deal with the offender.
Faint heart never won Fair Lady!
Use the weapons that are available…if there are problems on the Barque of Peter don’t jump ship and begin attacking the Ship…stay on board and help to eradicate those causing the problems.

Mary I did try to go through the chain and I was basically silenced. Nobody wanted to hear what was going on, didn’t want the book rocked. Much worst happen, ongoings than I stated. The Lord led me to a Traditional Parish and legal. From that experience, I don’t think Perpetual Adoration should occur unless you have your Parish Priest leading and strict guidelines are enforced to prevent abuses from happening.

 

[Uxor]

No, my dear, simply put, I am learning WHAT the Church teaches. I never claimed to teach Her nor did I claim to know more than She.:tsktsk:
She has taught us both from Rome and from the USCB that these masses are illicit. The Sacrament of Confession is invalid…
I am really and truly sorry that it is SO difficult for some “catholics” to adhere to

Mary, you can attend as long as you don’t break from Rome.

 

[Mary_Henley]

Mary, you can attend as long as you don’t break from Rome.

I agree that **free will **does play a part here …while you may be able to…and no one is physically going to stop you…is this what is in the Mind of our Mother…what is the message she is sending to us if these masses are declared illicit?

Why would She go to such length to make an INDULT Mass available. And please God…from my keyboard to your Eyes…may they become more available!
The Indult Masses are licit.
SSPX masses are illicit. Their sacraments which require faculties are invalid.
Masses said by sedevacantist clergy are illicit. Their sacraments requiring faculties are invalid.

Why would it even be discussed if it were not seriously problematic?

As for me and my household I will do what I know Mother is telling me to do…

 

[Mary_Henley]

cuf.org/FileDownloads/litabuse.pdf

There is a right way and a wrong way to approach abuse.
Use your chain of command!
The Holy Scriptures give us detailed directives on how to deal with the offender.
Faint heart never won Fair Lady!
Use the weapons that are available…if there are problems on the Barque of Peter don’t jump ship and begin attacking the Ship…stay on board and help to eradicate those causing the problems.

Mary I did try to go through the chain and I was basically silenced. Nobody wanted to hear what was going on, didn’t want the book rocked. Much worst happen, ongoings than I stated. The Lord led me to a Traditional Parish and legal. From that experience, I don’t think Perpetual Adoration should occur unless you have your Parish Priest leading and strict guidelines are enforced to prevent abuses from happening.

My heart goes out to you!

All I can say is:banghead: DON"T GIVE UP!

We were never promised it would be easy…we were told it would be a battle…

 

[JKirkLVNV]

Well, if you say so, Mary. You must know better than the Church, because as long as we don’t adhere to the schism, we can attend SSPX Masses out of love for the ancient rite.

Not so. It STILL doesn’t say that, no matter what spectacular mental gymnastics you perform to attempt to make it say so. The letter was addressed to ONE person in ONE particular circumstance. It is not a blanket permission to attend SSPX masses, whether you’re attached to the TLM or not.

 

[TNT]

Assumption Grotto Church in Detroit.

The N.O. Mass is said ad orientum, in Latin with Gregorian Chant.

Here is Christmas Mass at Assumption

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/1659/2191/400/11746/30DE06 168_a.jpg

Quite impressive, I must say. I have relatives in the Detroit area. I will recommend it highly.
So, we are now up to 3 parishes that follow the Sacrosanctum Concilium out of 15,000 parishes.
3/15k=.002%
My original post still holds.
Does anyone have another parish to add?
If we hit 1%, I’ll consider my post ill-informed.
So, 147 more and I’m set to apologize and retract.

 

[TNT]

Not so. It STILL doesn’t say that, no matter what spectacular mental gymnastics you perform to attempt to make it say so. The letter was addressed to ONE person in ONE particular circumstance. It is not a blanket permission to attend SSPX masses, whether you’re attached to the TLM or not.

I’m just using it as a participation in Ecumenism.
Cardinal Walter Kasper, the Friendly Cd.
My kinda guy:http://www.dailycatholic.org/cd/cdkasper.gif
And Benedict XVI’s chosen one for ecumenical affairs.
Said:
“The decision of Vatican II, to which the Pope adheres and spreads, is absolutely clear: Today we no longer understand ecumenism in the sense of the ecumenism of a return, by which the others should ‘be converted’ and return to being ‘catholics.’ This was expressly abandoned by Vatican II. Today ecumenism is considered as the common road: all should be converted to the following of Christ, and it is in Christ that we will find ourselves in the end. …. Even the Pope, among other things, describes ecumenism in Ut unum sint as an exchange of gifts. I think this is very well said: each church has its own riches and gifts of the Spirit, and it is this exchange that is trying to be achieved and not the fact that we should become ‘protestants’ **or that the others should become ‘catholics’ **in the sense of accepting the confessional form of Catholicism.”
(Adista, Rome, February 26, 2001, p. 9)

I cannot think of any group who is closer to the catholic church without being in it. They even trump the E-O who are favored targets of the Pope’s ecumenism efforts to “exchange gifts”.
With the SSPX we’re only 1 Ecumenical Council away. vs the EO where we’re still about 20 Counculs removed.
In fact I’m very close to giving them my Gevalia Coffee Maker for the catechism classroom. I just not perfectly sure if that supports schism or not.
I don’t wanna go to He** over a coffee maker

 

[TNT]

For those interested in that devout N O Mass near Detroit at Assumption Grotto Church
Their website is Here:
Confessions Saturday, Eve of Holy Day, Thursday before First Friday: 2:30-3:30 & 7:30-8:00 p.m. Sunday: 45 min. before the 9:30 a.m. and Noon Mass until the Gospel starts
Weekday Masses 7:30 a.m. (Gregorian Chant), 8:30 a.m. and 7:00 p.m.** No Monday morning, 8:30 a.m. Mass
** Weekend Masses Saturday: 7:30, 4:00 p.m. Sunday: 6:30, 9:30 a.m. (Latin), and Noon

 

[JKirkLVNV]

I’m just using it as a participation in Ecumenism.
Cardinal Walter Kasper, the Friendly Cd.
My kinda guy:http://www.dailycatholic.org/cd/cdkasper.gif
And Benedict XVI’s chosen one for ecumenical affairs.
Said:
“The decision of Vatican II, to which the Pope adheres and spreads, is absolutely clear: Today we no longer understand ecumenism in the sense of the ecumenism of a return, by which the others should ‘be converted’ and return to being ‘catholics.’ This was expressly abandoned by Vatican II. Today ecumenism is considered as the common road: all should be converted to the following of Christ, and it is in Christ that we will find ourselves in the end. …. Even the Pope, among other things, describes ecumenism in Ut unum sint as an exchange of gifts. I think this is very well said: each church has its own riches and gifts of the Spirit, and it is this exchange that is trying to be achieved and not the fact that we should become ‘protestants’ **or that the others should become ‘catholics’ **in the sense of accepting the confessional form of Catholicism.”
(Adista, Rome, February 26, 2001, p. 9)

I cannot think of any group who is closer to the catholic church without being in it. They even trump the E-O who are favored targets of the Pope’s ecumenism efforts to “exchange gifts”.
With the SSPX we’re only 1 Ecumenical Council away. vs the EO where we’re still about 20 Counculs removed.
In fact I’m very close to giving them my Gevalia Coffee Maker for the catechism classroom. I just not perfectly sure if that supports schism or not.
I don’t wanna go to He** over a coffee maker

WHY Cardinal Kasper gets to trot about the world saying what he says is not a question I am able to answer.

Black and Decker makes a MUCH better coffee maker.

 

[MarSarkees]

Also Old St Mary’s in downtown Cincinnati. The church is stunning. The Mass is pretty much the NO trying to be the
Traditional Mass as much as is possible. Ive known a few times the priest even put in the Traditional offertory. What a great liturgical abuse to have.

I think ST Agnes in Minneapolis MN is also pretty Trad.