Something Bad That Jesus Did?

[Ben_Masada]

This was certainly an anti-Roman way of thinking. The Romans loved to “pluck the heads” of a criminal movement in the hopes of putting the rest in line. The Jews tried to do this with the upstart rabbi from Nazareth, too.

There you go again with unfounded accusations of unJewish behaviour.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

I don’t know. Peter, by your acclamation, was a “Nazarene”. He preached things that were, in your words, anti-Jewish, and yet he got along with the Jews.

Your point is point-less.

Peter never wrote anything anti-Jewish, Cheeto.
Evidence of the fact is that he indeed got well along with the regular Jews. All those things written about him which serve only
to cause contradictions in the NT were written 50+ years after he
had gone. Not only for the span of time but also for the fact that the Church needed to document itself with apostolical credibility,
everything unJewish about Peter was fabricated or interpolated.

Ben:

 

[NotWorthy]

There you go again with unfounded accusations of unJewish behaviour.

Ben:

There you go again with re-writing any Scripture that disagrees with the “Gospel of Ben Masada”.

 

[PJM]

PJM;4834620:

PJM, you startled me with your short answer. Are you being sarchastic or you do mean? And what about this
“The only difference was the truth.” What do you mean? If this was to provoke me, let’s start by a definition. What is the Truth?
I’ll tell you mine after you share with me yours.

Ben:

Ben my friend,

Your question is indeed a great one!

From YOU

it is *Greatly Profound:thumbsup: *

Merriam - Webster has this to share:

2 a (1): the state of being the case : fact (2): the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality (3)often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality b: a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true c: the body of true statements and propositions
3 a: the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality bchiefly British : true 2 c: fidelity to an original or to a standard

Can Truth be proven? Yes it can or we could not call it “truth!”

The RCC is the provider, and the caretaker for All Truth on Matters of Faith and Morals." Why because that is God’s paln.

Ben my friend, there can only be “the truth”. If there were your truth and my truth the result would be;NO TRUTH

And while my post was short, it did speak the truth!

God bless you!

 

[redrosetea]

Who here is qualified to judge Christ? Certainly not me, and no one else is either

 

[cheeto1]

The core of his programe of revival is recorded in Matthew 5:17-19.

In the absence of reliable information on what a Nazarene believes, this helps a little. I have long been interested in
this very passage. Which “letters of the law” have come
true, or been fulfilled? All of them? None of them? Or if some,
then which ones?

 

[CHRISTINE77]

In the absence of reliable information on what a Nazarene believes, this helps a little. I have long been interested in
this very passage. Which “letters of the law” have come
true, or been fulfilled? All of them? None of them? Or if some,
then which ones?

Remember, Mark was written first. Matthew tried to interpret Jesus’s gospel using Jewish scriptures.

 

[ready]

Yesterday I was asked if I could think of anything bad that Jesus could have ever done. I thought for a while and the following came to my mind:

Yes, there is indeed something Jesus did, which I wish he had not done, because it does not represent well the People he belonged to.

Once a Gentile Canaanite mother was crying after him, asking for her daughter to be cured, and Jesus would not give a damn to her. His disciples told him to do something for that woman or discard her, because she was making them go crazy with her non-stop crying.

What did Jesus say? I haven’t come for Gentiles but ONLY for the House of Israel. Then, kept on going and the woman kept on crying and following them.

When he couldn’t take it any longer, he stopped and told her something like this: Hey, listen, what do you want from me? To cure my daughter Master. No way, I cannot take of the food of the children and throw it unto the dogs.

He meant the Jews for the children, and the Gentiles for the dogs. But only after the woman understood and recognized her condition of dog, by saying that the dogs also feed from the crumbles that fall from the table of the children, Jesus saw that he would never get rid of that woman. So, he changed his mind and cured her daughter. Then, to erase a little the impression left on her for being forced to recognize her doggy condition, he mentioned something about her strong faith and left.

That was terrible, if we can imagine what that poor woman went through till she got what she wanted. The text is in Matthew 15:21-28.

Ben:

Jesus has never done anything bad in his life. He is pure innocence. You are misunderstanding his behavior and also, his words and the reason he used them.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Jesus has never done anything bad in his life. He is pure innocence. You are misunderstanding his behavior and also, his words and the reason he used them.

Are your sure? Tell me, do you agree with me that he was quite charismatic? Matthew says in 7:28 that when he finished his Sermon of the Mount, the crowds were spellbound at his teaching. I think he was indeed charismatic. Now, why didn’t he use his charisma to remove the money changers from that area in front of the Temple? Why did he have to cause financial damages to people’s proprieties? Would he like to have been treated they way he treated those men making their living? Never mind what and where they were doing it! The point is that Jesus should have used his charisma and not his whip to lash at them. Is such a behavior appropriate to a pure and innocent man?
Please, have mercy on yourself! You must be confused.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

In the absence of reliable information on what a Nazarene believes, this helps a little. I have long been interested in
this very passage. Which “letters of the law” have come
true, or been fulfilled? All of them? None of them? Or if some,
then which ones?

Jesus meant the whole of the Law. That we are to be found in the fulfilling of it. Otherwise, no participation in the
Kingdom of God. Between the Law and us, who are supposed to be found in the observance of it, what passes away are we and not the Law.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben Masada;4838152:

PJM;4834620:

PJM, you startled me with your short answer. Are you being sarchastic or you do mean? And what about this
“The only difference was the truth.” What do you mean? If this was to provoke me, let’s start by a definition. What is the Truth?
I’ll tell you mine after you share with me yours.

Ben:

Ben my friend,

Your question is indeed a great one!

Can Truth be proven? Yes it can or we could not call it “truth!”

The RCC is the provider, and the caretaker for All Truth on Matters of Faith and Morals." Why because that is God’s paln.

Ben my friend, there can only be “the truth”. If there were your truth and my truth the result would be;NO TRUTH

And while my post was short, it did speak the truth!

God bless you!

PJM, Shalom to you from Yerushalaim. I have no more doubt about you. You are of my kind. And about the Truth, according to Philosophy, I am of the opinion that there is no definition. You are right about the no-Truth if we were to consider
yours or mine. Yes, Philosophically, you did speak the Truth.

One day, however, Pilate asked Jesus, “What is the Truth?” But he left thinking that he wouldn’t be able to feedback any reply that could come out of Jesus. But in another occasion Jesus said that
the Truth is the Word of God. (John 17:17)

Now, if you check the Psalmist about the Word of God, he declares that It was entrusted to Israel only and to no other people
on earth. (Psalm 147:19,20) Then, the same Psalmist compares
the Word of God to light in the path of man. (Psalm 119:105) Light! Yes, light is what makes us see and understand.

Now, let’s leave the Psalms and try a Prophet. Isaiah, for example, he says in 42:6 that Israel was given as light unto the nations. That’s why he said in 2:2,3 that for those who need instruction in the Word of God, the address is Zion, the Jewish People.

But let’s leave the Tanach and return to Jesus, who has just started his famous Sermon of the Mount to a crowd of Jews. Then,
he tells them, “You are the light of the world.” (Mat. 5:14) It’s interesting to notice that he did not say, you have, but you are. Because what one has, it can be taken away; but what one is, he
is no matter what.

Therefore, setting aside Philosophy just for the time being, now you know spiritually where the Truth is. No wonder Isaiah called this People Immanuel in Isaiah 8:8.

Ben:

 

[NotWorthy]

Are your sure? Tell me, do you agree with me that he was quite charismatic? Matthew says in 7:28 that when he finished his Sermon of the Mount, the crowds were spellbound at his teaching. I think he was indeed charismatic. Now, why didn’t he use his charisma to remove the money changers from that area in front of the Temple? Why did he have to cause financial damages to people’s proprieties? Would he like to have been treated they way he treated those men making their living? Never mind what and where they were doing it! The point is that Jesus should have used his charisma and not his whip to lash at them. Is such a behavior appropriate to a pure and innocent man?
Please, have mercy on yourself! You must be confused.

Ben:

Prophets often speak in signs, Ben.

Are you saying that the signs of Moses in Egypt were a bad thing that God did, for they are far more catastrophic than the damage Jesus did to these people who were profaning His Father’s House.

 

[NotWorthy]

Jesus meant the whole of the Law. That we are to be found in the fulfilling of it. Otherwise, no participation in the
Kingdom of God. Between the Law and us, who are supposed to be found in the observance of it, what passes away are we and not the Law.

Ben:

So what happens when you break the Law. How are you atoned?

 

[NotWorthy]

Now, if you check the Psalmist about the Word of God, he declares that It was entrusted to Israel only and to no other people
on earth. (Psalm 147:19,20) Then, the same Psalmist compares
the Word of God to light in the path of man. (Psalm 119:105) Light! Yes, light is what makes us see and understand.

Would somebody care to tell Ben that Israel has been reconstituted? God, the Good Shepherd, has brought His sheep back, as prophesied by Jeremiah.

The Psalmists of 147 still rings true! Hallelujah!

 

[Ben_Masada]

Would somebody care to tell Ben that Israel has been reconstituted? God, the Good Shepherd, has brought His sheep back, as prophesied by Jeremiah.

The Psalmists of 147 still rings true! Hallelujah!

Would somebody please care to tell NotWorthy
that this reconstitution he is talking about is the same as Replacement Theology, which has become known as a kind of Antisemitism? Thanks.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

So what happens when you break the Law. How are you atoned?

By suffering the consequences of having broken the Law. When wichedness in Israel has become really a problem, the People is dispersed among the nations and scattered over to foreign lands, so that their uncleanness is purged. That’s in Ezekiel 22;15.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

Prophets often speak in signs, Ben.

Are you saying that the signs of Moses in Egypt were a bad thing that God did, for they are far more catastrophic than the damage Jesus did to these people who were profaning His Father’s House.

A sin of a man does not justify the sin of another.We are talking about Jesus whom you consider perfect. Therefore, don’t try to justify his shortcomings by pointing to the shortcomings of another. Answer my question with an answer and not by accusing another.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

There you go again with re-writing any Scripture that disagrees with the “Gospel of Ben Masada”.

Believe me, you would not have to deal with Ben Masada if you didn’t try to temper with Judaism by introducing strange Hellenistic stuff. Why don’t I have an issue with Islam, Hinduism, or Budhism or other religions? They leave Judaism alone. If Paul had remained in the Greek Olympian Pantheon, you
would not even know if Ben Masada existed.

Ben:

 

[AmbroseSJ]

Believe me, you would not have to deal with Ben Masada if you didn’t try to temper with Judaism by introducing strange Hellenistic stuff. Why don’t I have an issue with Islam, Hinduism, or Budhism or other religions? They leave Judaism alone. If Paul had remained in the Greek Olympian Pantheon, you
would not even know if Ben Masada existed.

Ben:

Trust me Ben, Christianity is NOT tampering with Judaism. It is your strange fringe brand of Judaism that is tampering with Christianity.

And as far as Islam goes, they have far more in common with Judaism than Christianity. They believe they are the children of Abraham and Adam. They also accept Jesus as a prophet, and great teacher not as God, just as you do Ben. Maybe you should try messing with their heads for a while. Or maybe you are more afraid of them?

 

[NotWorthy]

Replacement Theology, which has become known as a kind of Antisemitism?

Wow!!! That’s about the third time you’ve hinted (or outright accused) that I’m anti-semite. It’s GOTTA be true, now!!! Or is it just the Democrats (and our beloved media) that think if you repeat a lie enough, it must be true?

I am not preaching Replacement Theology. But Israel has been reconstituted in the New Covenant, Ben.

Sorry you missed the memo.