Soul and resurrection?

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Vico said:
For several years after birth a person has not acquired the use of reason, and for some it never occurs. Yet, there is still a rational faculty which is innate (belonging to the essential nature). The soul provides the innate rational faculty.
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Lets go back to OP. Is soul formless? You have accepted the fact that soul is immaterial in another thread.
 
Bahman said:
Lets go back to OP. Is soul formless? You have accepted the fact that soul is immaterial in another thread.
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Please explain what you mean by formless. It is quite obvious your definition is not consistent with the responses you have received.
 
Bahman said:
Lets go back to OP. Is soul formless? You have accepted the fact that soul is immaterial in another thread.
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The soul has substantial form and it is immaterial.

St. Thomas Aquinas:

This same rational soul is united to the body in such wise that it is the one and only substantial form of that body. To this one soul man owes his existence, as man, as animal, as living thing, as body, as substance, as being. Thus the soul gives to man all degrees of essential perfection. Further, the soul communicates to the body its own act of existence, and by that existence the body, too, exists.

Also, he wrote in Summa Theologics, Q 76, A1
Reply to Objection 6. To be united to the body belongs to the soul by reason of itself, … the human soul retains its proper existence when separated from the body, having an aptitude and a natural inclination to be united to the body.
 
davidv said:
Please explain what you mean by formless. It is quite obvious your definition is not consistent with the responses you have received.
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We can distinguish when two things have distinguishable shape/form otherwise we cannot which means that either two shapes are similar or two things are formless/shapeless, like two perfect dots for example, if you accept a dot as a shapeless/formless thing.
 
Vico said:
The soul has substantial form and it is immaterial.

St. Thomas Aquinas:

This same rational soul is united to the body in such wise that it is the one and only substantial form of that body. To this one soul man owes his existence, as man, as animal, as living thing, as body, as substance, as being. Thus the soul gives to man all degrees of essential perfection. Further, the soul communicates to the body its own act of existence, and by that existence the body, too, exists.

Also, he wrote in Summa Theologics, Q 76, A1

Reply to Objection 6. To be united to the body belongs to the soul by reason of itself, … the human soul retains its proper existence when separated from the body, having an aptitude and a natural inclination to be united to the body.
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I meant shapeless. I already know the other definition of form. Please read previous post also.
 
Bahman said:
We can distinguish when two things have distinguishable shape/form otherwise we cannot which means that either two shapes are similar or two things are formless/shapeless, like two perfect dots for example, if you accept a dot as a shapeless/formless thing.
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This does not explain what you mean by formless. Can you provide a definition that not ambiguous?
 
Bahman said:
I meant shapeless. I already know the other definition of form. Please read previous post also.
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Chose a definition that you mean please:

**shape **noun

  1. *]that quality of a thing which depends on the relative position of all points composing its outline or external surface; physical or spatial form
    *]the form characteristic of a particular person or thing, or class of things
    *]the contour of the body, exclusive of the face; figure
    *]assumed or feigned appearance; guise ⇒ a foe in the shape of a friend
    *]an imaginary or spectral form; phantom
    *]something having a particular shape, used as a mold or basis for shaping or fashioning
    *]any of the forms, structures, etc. in which a thing may exist ⇒ dangers of every shape
    *]definite, regular, or suitable form; orderly arrangement ⇒ to begin to take shape
    *] a.condition; state, esp. of health ⇒ a patient in poor shape (USA)
    b.good physical condition ⇒ exercises that keep one in shape (USA)
 
Vico said:
Chose a definition that you mean please:

**shape **noun

  1. *]that quality of a thing which depends on the relative position of all points composing its outline or external surface; physical or spatial form
    *]the form characteristic of a particular person or thing, or class of things
    *]the contour of the body, exclusive of the face; figure
    *]assumed or feigned appearance; guise ⇒ a foe in the shape of a friend
    *]an imaginary or spectral form; phantom
    *]something having a particular shape, used as a mold or basis for shaping or fashioning
    *]any of the forms, structures, etc. in which a thing may exist ⇒ dangers of every shape
    *]definite, regular, or suitable form; orderly arrangement ⇒ to begin to take shape
    *] a.condition; state, esp. of health ⇒ a patient in poor shape (USA)
    b.good physical condition ⇒ exercises that keep one in shape (USA)
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  1. This is the definition of shape: that quality of a thing which depends on the relative position of all points composing its outline or external surface; physical or spatial form
 
davidv said:
This does not explain what you mean by formless. Can you provide a definition that not ambiguous?
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This is the definition of shape: that quality of a thing which depends on the relative position of all points composing its outline or external surface; physical or spatial form
 
Bahman said:
This is the definition of shape: that quality of a thing which depends on the relative position of all points composing its outline or external surface; physical or spatial form
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So then, using that definition, the answer for your original question is yes, the soul has no physical form,

There has been discussion about spatial location of the soul with the topic of omnipresence.
Lets go back to OP. Is soul formless? You have accepted the fact that soul is immaterial in another thread.
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Vico said:
So then, using that definition, the answer for your original question is yes, the soul has no physical form,
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Then how soul could inform physical body if it doesn’t have any physical or spatial form/shape?
 
davidv said:
That is the grand mystery of life. We don’t know how, but we know that it is.
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Or there is something logically wrong meaning that we need another model which can explain reality better.
 
Bahman said:
I am puzzled with the concepts of soul and resurrection for a while. The problem is as following: Soul is defined as form of body. Soul gets separated from body upon death. This means that soul is formless after death hence all attributes like, personality, identity, etc are gone upon death meaning that all souls do look similar after death. The act of resurrection is problematic now since all attributes related to a person is gone upon death.

Your thought?
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the soul is a spiritual whole, it doesn’t evaporate or divide into pieces. when you are dead you will be exactly as you are now, only different.
 
Vico said:
No I do not mean that. Why do you think it is not logical?
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There is noting except soul and body to let them interact hence the local interaction is the only possibility but the local interaction is impossible because the soul does not have any shape.
 
Bahman said:
There is noting except soul and body to let them interact hence the local interaction is the only possibility but the local interaction is impossible because the soul does not have any shape.
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You have not shown that the soul needs a shape to interact with the body.
 
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