SPLIT: Married outside the Church

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I just tried to make a Confession less that 2 hours ago. And like always, the Priest refused to absolve my sins and allow me to have the Eucharist. The reason being that 20 years ago I was married outside the Catholic Church. Honestly, my wife and I have lived a very strict Christian life for 20 years, but that’s still not good enough to make a Confession.

Richard
 
I just tried to make a Confession less that 2 hours ago. And like always, the Priest refused to absolve my sins and allow me to have the Eucharist. The reason being that 20 years ago I was married outside the Catholic Church. Honestly, my wife and I have lived a very strict Christian life for 20 years, but that’s still not good enough to make a Confession.

Richard
[edited] correct me If I’m wrong about this) unless you have your marrage blessed by a priest, you’d be living in sin. Not trying to be harsh, but thats what this sounds like.

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Thats not the issue, I don’t know what this has to do with orthodox confessions, but (and correct me If I’m wrong about this) unless you have your marrage blessed by a priest, you’d be living in sin. Not trying to be harsh, but thats what this sounds like.

BTW, maybe you should ask this in a different thread.
[edited] “Living in sin with my wife of 20 years” ??? Maybe you should come back down to Earth. 🤷

Richard
 
Well, if you were married outside the church, with out a dispensation and didn’t get your marrage blessed, than it would be yes, might be hard to read but from what I understand thats the case, I’m sure someone else will correct me if I’m wrong, but it shouldn’t be difficult to get your marrage officiated. I’ve read people that have done that here. To be honest, I’m not very old, I don’t know the details but thats my understanding.
 
Well, if you were married outside the church, with out a dispensation and didn’t get your marrage blessed, than it would be yes, might be hard to read but from what I understand thats the case, I’m sure someone else will correct me if I’m wrong, but it shouldn’t be difficult to get your marrage officiated. I’ve read people that have done that here. To be honest, I’m not very old, I don’t know the details but thats my understanding.
Well, maybe this new “living in sin” attitude will put some spice back into our marriage? My wife would slap you for saying that, so make sure that you only use that phrase while enjoying the safety of the Internet. :eek:

Richard
 
Well, maybe this new “living in sin” attitude will put some spice back into our marriage? My wife would slap you for saying that, so make sure that you only use that phrase while enjoying the safety of the Internet. :eek:

Richard
Well sorry, maybe your angry from two hours ago, I’m not completly sure of the details, but maybe you could start another thread on this. But i’m not going to push it anymore. I apologize if I angered you.
 
I just tried to make a Confession less that 2 hours ago. And like always, the Priest refused to absolve my sins and allow me to have the Eucharist. The reason being that 20 years ago I was married outside the Catholic Church. Honestly, my wife and I have lived a very strict Christian life for 20 years, but that’s still not good enough to make a Confession.

Richard
The Christian life essentially entails following the laws and practices of God’s Church on Earth. I’m not privy to all the details, but why don’t you just… follow them?
 
The Christian life essentially entails following the laws and practices of God’s Church on Earth. I’m not privy to all the details, but why don’t you just… follow them?
To answer your question: Because my wife and I are more idealistic than than an arbitrary set of church laws.

Richard
 
Sorry for jumping in, but I was just trying to bring this thread back down into the real World that we live in. “Living in sin with my wife of 20 years” ??? Maybe you should come back down to Earth. 🤷

Richard
That is the point that was trying to be made. If your Marriage was not valid in the Church then you Haven’t had a wife the last 20 years, you have only been living with her outside of Marriage.
 
I just tried to make a Confession less that 2 hours ago. And like always, the Priest refused to absolve my sins and allow me to have the Eucharist. The reason being that 20 years ago I was married outside the Catholic Church. Honestly, my wife and I have lived a very strict Christian life for 20 years, but that’s still not good enough to make a Confession.

Richard
[edited] Although you have a legal, loving, and enduring marriage, you haven’t received the sacrament of Matrimony in the church. You are continuing in your refusal to take part in this sacrament which is a necessity for Catholics who live in a married relationship. Continuing in this refusal is a serious sin. That’s what we mean by ‘living in sin’. The priest can’t absolve you of this sin unless you repent and receive this sacrament. This should not be an unsurmountable obstacle unless you or your wife are bound to someone else from a former marriage.

The priest can’t absolve you of only some of your sins. The refusal to repent and receive the sacrament of matrimony blocks you from the Eucharist and blocks the priest from absolving you.

If other issues prevent you from receiving the sacrament of Matrimony you should still attend Mass regularly and make a spiritual communion. Have confidence in God’s mercy.
 
That is the point that was trying to be made. If your Marriage was not valid in the Church then you Haven’t had a wife the last 20 years, you have only been living with her outside of Marriage.
Hello Br. SFO,

Sorry, I should have mentioned that both my wife and I were non-praticing Catholics who had been baptized into a Protestant denomination. That probably makes our marriage a protestant marriage? There has been so much talk about, “Living in Sin” in recent years, that I started to confess that to the Priest.

Are you a Chaplain at San Francisco International Airport (SFO)?

Richard
 
To answer your question: Because my wife and I are more idealistic than than an arbitrary set of church laws.

Richard
What do you honestly expect the priest to do? He has to follow the laws of the Church (which are given by God; somebody didn’t just arbitrarily come up with them one day, because of having nothing better to do), even if you don’t think that you should have to.
 
Hello Br. SFO,

Sorry, I should have mentioned that both my wife and I were non-praticing Catholics who had been baptized into a Protestant denomination. That probably makes our marriage a protestant marriage? There has been so much talk about, “Living in Sin” in recent years, that I started to confess that to the Priest.

Are you a Chaplain at San Francisco International Airport (SFO)?

Richard
Oh, you didn’t mention that, were you or your wife ever baptized Catholic?

The internet is not really the best place to deal with this, we couldn’t possibly know all the details, maybe you should go talk to a priest. I read some of your other stuff two, you didn’t mention the Philipines either. But this can be sorted out.
 
What do you honestly expect the priest to do? He has to follow the laws of the Church (which are given by God; somebody didn’t just arbitrarily come up with them one day, because of having nothing better to do), even if you don’t think that you should have to.
Hello jmcrae,

You asked, “What do you honestly expect the priest to do?”

To answer your question: I expected the Priest to Absolve my Sins because it was a Traditional Latin High Mass for the Sacred Heart of Jesus. According to St Margaret Mary, (the patron Saint) Jesus loves us with the same emotional human heart that we have, so being the Idealistic Christian that I am, I expected the Priest to forget about all the Red Tape during that one Traditional High Mass for the Heart of Jesus.

He didn’t do that, and I was a little disappointed in him, to say the least. (20 years is a long time)

Richard
 
Hello jmcrae,

You asked, “What do you honestly expect the priest to do?”

To answer your question: I expected the Priest to Absolve my Sins because it was a Traditional Latin High Mass for the Sacred Heart of Jesus. According to St Margaret Mary, (the patron Saint) Jesus loves us with the same emotional human heart that we have, so being the Idealistic Christian that I am, I expected the Priest to forget about all the Red Tape during that one Traditional High Mass for the Heart of Jesus.

He didn’t do that, and I was a little disappointed in him, to say the least. (20 years is a long time)

Richard
It’s not “red tape” - it’s an actual situation, that you are still in.

But if the facts of the case are as you have presented them, it only takes ten minutes to fix this. (Why should you go to Hell for all eternity, over something that takes ten minutes to fix?) Sit down with an appointment and talk to your priest! 🙂
 
Hello jmcrae,

You asked, “What do you honestly expect the priest to do?”

To answer your question: I expected the Priest to Absolve my Sins because it was a Traditional Latin High Mass for the Sacred Heart of Jesus. According to St Margaret Mary, (the patron Saint) Jesus loves us with the same emotional human heart that we have, so being the Idealistic Christian that I am, I expected the Priest to forget about all the Red Tape during that one Traditional High Mass for the Heart of Jesus.

He didn’t do that, and I was a little disappointed in him, to say the least. (20 years is a long time)

Richard
What red tape are you referring to?

It’s a fundamental aspect of the sacrament of Reconciliation that the priest can only give absolution if the penitent is sorry for what he’s done and has a sincere intention to avoid that sin in the future. (If the proper intention is not there then the absolution would likely be invalid even if the priest recited the words of absolution.)

By red tape do you mean the laws of the Church regarding marriage being binding on non-practicing baptized Catholics? Or do you mean the priest following the rules about giving absolution?

I guess I don’t understand why you accept the validity and importance of the sacrament of Reconciliation but you seem to reject the idea of needing your marriage convalidated (if possible) in order to be in conformance with the laws of God and His Church.
 
Hello Br. SFO,

Sorry, I should have mentioned that both my wife and I were non-praticing Catholics who had been baptized into a Protestant denomination. That probably makes our marriage a protestant marriage? There has been so much talk about, “Living in Sin” in recent years, that I started to confess that to the Priest.

Are you a Chaplain at San Francisco International Airport (SFO)?

Richard
Being a “non-Practicing” Catholic does not exempt you from the Catholic Marriage laws. Being "baptized into a Protestant denomination does not changes anything. Most likely your Marriage is simply not a valid Marriage. This is the problem you are running into in Confession.
 
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