SSPX and women in positions of authority

[dixieagle]

Girls can foster each of those characteristics without having to abandon femininity by imitating men.

No. It’s just funny how hysterical people become when someone
criticizes the modern brainwashed perspective on gender nullification.

That statement just shows how liberal you are. Past = Bad and stupid. Modern= wonderful and enlightened.

Years ago I used to date a ballerina who worked with a major metropolitan company. So, I know about how many of the dancers would curse up a storm behind the curtain, dropping the “F” bomb like there was nothing to it. And the scandal that they demonstrate in front of little girls who are also dancing is appalling.

Add to that the physical demands that destroy a woman’s metabolism and throw off her menstrual cycle. Once Dame Margot Fontaine raised the athletic standards for women to heights that only she could acheive, she created a tidal wave of injuries both internal and external. Exceptions prove the rule after all.

The girls are trying to keep their weight low enough to handle the Ballanchine choreography and live up to his unhealthy ideals of how a woman should look and you have a major problem.

Add to that, the perverse modern choreography and you have scandal added to the mix.

And finally, the artistic bankruptcy of ballet and we’re not left with much.

It might be that they just need oxygen.

“Liberal”…well, that would depend upon your definition. I am most definitely not “liberal” in the sense of approving of moral licentiousness, abortion, same-sex unions, etc. I do, however, subscribe to some other political positions that might be considered “liberal” (and thoroughly Catholic) but those are topics for other threads.

What sort of physical activity fits the confines of your narrow vision of what women are allowed to do and still retain their femininity? Embroidery? Baking? Rollerskating around their kitchens in long skirts (as long as men are not present, of course…)

Sounds to me as if you may have taken a wrong turn at the minaret…

 

[GerardP]

What sort of physical activity fits the confines of your narrow vision of what women are allowed to do and still retain their femininity? Embroidery? Baking? Rollerskating around their kitchens in long skirts (as long as men are not present, of course…)

Why female ultimate fighting of course!

Watch the video when you follow the link. It’s tame by the standards of today.

fightergirls.com/

 

[lak611]

Girls can foster each of those characteristics without having to abandon femininity by imitating men.

So you think girls are imitating men by playing any sports? Wouldn’t a girl who kept herself healthy by exercising through playing sports be better suited for having children once she is out of school and married? My Catholic high school offered track, cross-country, volleyball, basketball, field hockey, softball and swimming for girls.

Boys’ sports at my Catholic high school were football, wrestling, basketball, track, cross-country, baseball and swimming.

Girls and boys had their own teams. Gym classes were separate for girls and boys.

The girls’ basketball team took the state championship several years. Several of the girls went on to play for University of Tennessee where they played in the National Championship. One of the players was on a National Championship team from Tennessee. The coach of Tennessee’s women’s basketball team is Pat Summitt, a woman who is among the top winning coaches in NCAA history.

 

[GerardP]

So you think girls are imitating men by playing any sports? Wouldn’t a girl who kept herself healthy by exercising through playing sports be better suited for having children once she is out of school and married? My Catholic high school offered track, cross-country, volleyball, basketball, field hockey, softball and swimming for girls.

Boys’ sports at my Catholic high school were football, wrestling, basketball, track, cross-country, baseball and swimming.

Girls and boys had their own teams. Gym classes were separate for girls and boys.

The girls’ basketball team took the state championship several years. Several of the girls went on to play for University of Tennessee where they played in the National Championship. One of the players was on a National Championship team from Tennessee. The coach of Tennessee’s women’s basketball team is Pat Summitt, a woman who is among the top winning coaches in NCAA history.

I find it interesting that you launch into a litany of the accomplishments of the girl’s basketball team. Why is that?

What does that have to do with your original premise on girls playing sports for health reasons?

Touting success is usually a male characteristic done in order to demonstrate that he is a suitable mate and will be able to provide for a spouse and family.

What do you think of the winningest female ultimate fighter?

 

[lak611]

I find it interesting that you launch into a litany of the accomplishments of the girl’s basketball team. Why is that?

What does that have to do with your original premise on girls playing sports for health reasons?

Touting success is usually a male characteristic done in order to demonstrate that he is a suitable mate and will be able to provide for a spouse and family.

What is wrong with being healthy and successful? Do you not think that men would find a woman who is successful in sports, healthy and intelligent to be an attractive mate?

What do you think of the winningest female ultimate fighter?

I do not follow ultimate fighting, whether the fighters are men or women.

 

[GerardP]

What is wrong with being healthy and successful?

It depends on how clearly you define health and success.

Do you not think that men would find a woman who is successful in sports, healthy and intelligent to be an attractive mate?

She would be attractive despite all of those things if she were keyed into her own femininity. But success in sports doesn’t make one healthy either, mentally or physically. And intelligence is comparatively irrelevant since plenty of non-athletes are very intelligent.

To lower the bar for an instant. Do you think males want to date the players or the cheerleaders more?

I do not follow ultimate fighting, whether the fighters are men or women.

But you have no problem with female ultimate fighting. Right?

 

[ASimpleSinner]

(1) The real question is why should a woman be wanting to run around a court red-faced blowing a whistle in a man’s game?

(2) What kind of clothing is the female referee wearing? Is she projecting an image of modesty and feminity?

(1) It is a children’s game. Junior high basketball is played by hunior high children, ages 12-14. She wasn’t in the mix of a barrage of 6’3’’ men - these are 7th and 8th graders who are learning that they cannot have competitive events be judged by a woman.

God help these kids the day any of them have to go to traffic court or some such and deal with a woman judge!

(2) Gerald I am relatively certain you would not be happy with even a dress for the matter.

This woman is symptomatic of the whole stream of corruption to souls that the world, the flesh and the devil is offering.

That is a mighty damning proposition for a woman who - as far as I can tell from this thread - you have absolutely no knowledge of save 1) she is a woman and 2) she referees.

Do you know any other details about this story at all or the circumstances of how she came to be a referee?

 

[Cristiano]

GerardP you are still talking a lot but you never addressed the comment about nuns being referees in the Italian oratories (or orphanages to be more accurate) decades ago.

 

[dixieagle]

I find it interesting that you launch into a litany of the accomplishments of the girl’s basketball team. Why is that?

What does that have to do with your original premise on girls playing sports for health reasons?

Touting success is usually a male characteristic done in order to demonstrate that he is a suitable mate and will be able to provide for a spouse and family.

What do you think of the winningest female ultimate fighter?

I don’t think “ultimate fighting”, despite the modifications made and rules added, is appropriate for anyone - male or female. It is violent, vulgar and degrading. I also object to the purposeful violence in hockey and other sports. As long as a sport is not intentionally violent, I am fine with anyone - male or female - playing. I do believe in separate teams, which seems simple common sense based on the usual difference in size and strength between males and females. While we’re at it, I also object to women in anything resembling a combat role in the military for the same reasons (aviators, perhaps, aside.) Those waters are currently very muddy, with the nature of the conflict in Iraq…but I digress.

I think that common sense is the key here.

 

[seekerz]

It would depend on what is being typed. No one should be claiming an authority that is not their’s.

I don’t claim the authority of a priest and in “normal” circumstances, no Catholic should profess to teach anything about the faith unless deputed to do so by a competent Church authority.

Unfortunately, we are in a desperate time in the history of the Church and until things get better unusual people are going to be called to service.

You mean make little clubs that are exclusive to each gender?

Well, if you can have women’s-only gyms like “Curves” and

women’s book clubs. Why shouldn’t you have women’s only forums?

Of course, maybe if you all agree on it, you could even form a basketball team.

The question would be whether or not to let men join I suppose.

But you haven’t really answered my question though: in you opinion what kind of topics are suitable for men to post about and what topics are suitable for women? Do you think appropriate for both sexes to be posting on the same board? I think traditional folk such as yourself should let us know where you stand.

 

[cecilia97]

Take away the fact that a referee was involved. Please respond to the quote below and my original question.

This isn’t about referees. My question was a very general question.

Guess my sister-in-law had better stop telling her boys not to put their feet on the coffee table, and grammar school teachers had better stop hauling little male troublemakers down to the principal’s office by their forearms or ears.

My opinion, this is taking things too far. Call me a radical.

 

[GerardP]

GerardP you are still talking a lot but you never addressed the comment about nuns being referees in the Italian oratories (or orphanages to be more accurate) decades ago.

Oh I’m so sorry! I didn’t realize that I was obligated to handle every point and that I’d neglected to answer each anecdote.

No. Nuns should not be referees. Little children under 10 or so is not a problem provided that the games are in a home-like atmosphere.

 

[GerardP]

Guess my sister-in-law had better stop telling her boys not to put their feet on the coffee table, and grammar school teachers had better stop hauling little male troublemakers down to the principal’s office by their forearms or ears.

My opinion, this is taking things too far. Call me a radical.

No. I’ll call you ignorant. You really seem to think that after reading a little article that, (Did you even read the article?) you’ve got all the information to pass judgement on an issue that the SSPX have devoted serious amounts of deep consideration towards.

You’re the “expert” suddenly.

If you’d even lift a finger and do some research you’d know that your example of grammar school and kids putting their feet up is so way off the mark it’s ridiculous.

I swear the Mickey Mouse level of thinking on this thread by the enablers of societal decay is scandalous.

 

[GerardP]

But you haven’t really answered my question though: in you opinion what kind of topics are suitable for men to post about and what topics are suitable for women?

What topics? What are the things that interest you that enrich your life? Barring anything that is an occasion of sin, what comes naturally? But the point is to strive to bring everything in your life into alignment with God and the Faith. Most people especially Catholics in the U.S. don’t have a clue to understanding how interwoven the faith was in Old Europe. When the fire that you light the house with and cook the food was lit by the Easter candle, that kind of symbolism brings home the reality that God is the provider of everything.

What are women truly interested in? Shaping lives? Bringing people to God? Making people happy? Educating children? Being the helpmate of a strong God-fearing man who wants to help his entire family and the larger community get to Heaven? Uplifting music, literature, crafts, arts, homemaking, children. There are numerous things for women to discuss among themselves. Though it is probably better to discuss these things with real live people and not on internet discussion boards. At least it should be done in extreme moderation.

Do you think appropriate for both sexes to be posting on the same board?

Only in a situation where a defense of the faith or the building up of the Catholic Culture would benefit. This would only be because the Church, the parishes and the families have broken down so much that extreme measures are needed to build Christendom back up.

Dr. Marian Horvat at Tradition In Action is a perfect example where she explains ettiquette in exquisite detail with a philosophical underpinning. She’s taking action because at one time every family knew what she is explaining.

Jeanette Bogle has a television show on EWTN demonstrating some of the lost traditions surrounding the liturgical seasons and how to bring them back into the home.

I think traditional folk such as yourself should let us know where you stand.

Do you? It seems more like the group of “I feel” and “that’s silly” don’t really want to put the energy into understanding. They’re more interested in a snap judgement attitude forged by Jon Stewart or someother television/media know nothings.

 

[bpbasilphx]

Following their line of reasoning, they cannot have women (nuns or not) teach boys at all.

 

[GerardP]

I don’t think “ultimate fighting”, despite the modifications made and rules added, is appropriate for anyone - male or female. It is violent, vulgar and degrading.

You know how you can make that statement better? Get rid of the “I think.” It either is or it isn’t appropriate. You second sentence takes a good firm stand. It is violent and degrading.

Now, If it IS violent, vulgar and degrading, is it appropriate for anyone whether you think so or not?

Take that a step back. Can you justify why it is inappropriate through a reasoned argument? Is there something in the nature of it that goes against human dignity?

After that, are there differences in kind between man and woman that make some things appropriate for men and some things appropriate for women and it would be inappropriate for men to do the women’s job and women to do the men’s job?

I also object to the purposeful violence in hockey and other sports. As long as a sport is not intentionally violent, I am fine with anyone - male or female - playing.

You don’t find sports that turn women away from their femininity as an assault on their dignity as women? Female bodybuilding? Female powerlifting? Female endurance sports that destroy their menstrual cycles? Women running marathons and defecating down their legs in the last miles?

This is an idolatry towards acheivement and the limelight. It is the exact opposite of Our Lady as she expressed in the Magnificat.

I do believe in separate teams, which seems simple common sense based on the usual difference in size and strength between males and females.

Careful. I can hear it now. “I think you don’t respect women. You just want them barefoot and pregnant. You don’t think they can compete with men. You think men are superior.”

While we’re at it, I also object to women in anything resembling a combat role in the military for the same reasons (aviators, perhaps, aside.)

Nonsense. That glass ceiling has to be broken as well. All gender distinctions must go!

I think that common sense is the key here.

Common sense tells you to go with the right answer, not necessarily the quick answer.

As bishop Williamson of the SSPX said, “God created the world for one purpose only. For souls to get to Heaven. All else is a distraction.”

 

[tradcathconvert]

For whatever it is worth, I found the following at www.sspx.org/whatsnew.htm

PRESS RELEASE
ON ST. MARY’S ACADEMY CONTROVERSY
February 15, 2008

ST. MARY’S ACADEMY (in St. Mary’s, KS) policy is to have only men in their sports program for boys.

Sports for boys are seen as training for the battlefield of life where the boys will need to fight at times through great difficulties. As such, it is more appropriate that it be men who train and direct the boys in these sports programs for only men can teach the boys to be men, just as only women can truly teach girls to be women.

It is not a question of women having no authority over boys as the quote in the paper (if it was accurate) seem to indicate. It is a question in athletics of men training boys to be men.

 

[GerardP]

Following their line of reasoning, they cannot have women (nuns or not) teach boys at all.

Who is the “their” you are talking about? The SSPX? That is not what they are promoting.

To know this, you’d have to do some research and not rely on a little newspaper article trying to spin a story against traditional Catholic values in favor of a “blurring of the genders” agenda.

Little boys need especially in the early years a maternal guide and they can be taught by women. Just prior to puberty and beyond, they need men to teach them.

Women can’t teach boys how to be men as heroically as they might try, they just can’t do it.

 

[GerardP]

(1) It is a children’s game.

Is it a mindless game or is it a teaching tool?

Junior high basketball is played by hunior high children, ages 12-14. She wasn’t in the mix of a barrage of 6’3’’ men - these are 7th and 8th graders who are learning that they cannot have competitive events be judged by a woman.

A good portion of boys in the 12-14 age range are quite capable of stumbling into and hurting a woman. Seondly, boys at that age should be learning to be men from men, and the referee is a role model opportunity.

God help these kids the day any of them have to go to traffic court or some such and deal with a woman judge!

They will find that they are just as corrupt and paid for as the male judges.

(2) Gerald I am relatively certain you would not be happy with even a dress for the matter.

I don’t know what you are referring to.

That is a mighty damning proposition for a woman who - as far as I can tell from this thread - you have absolutely no knowledge of save 1) she is a woman and 2) she referees.

What else do I need to know? Her chosen position for whatever her intentions contribute to the decay of society. Mild as it may be, it joins the flow that leads to the utter destruction of womanhood and malehood. It’s Adam and Eve all over again.
The degradation of woman leads to the downfall of man.

Do you know any other details about this story at all or the circumstances of how she came to be a referee?

What does it matter? I can give you the greatest sob story about a woman that wants to be a priest. Or I can tell you about the hoopla from a few years ago about how an archdiocese was being pressured to make the Eucharist from Rice so a girl with Siliac spru disease could take Communion.

Sorry, in both cases, the plea is impossible to fulfill because it runs against the nature of things. The female referee for a boys team is an intrinsically conflicted image.

 

[seekerz]

Who is the “their” you are talking about? The SSPX? That is not what they are promoting.

To know this, you’d have to do some research and not rely on a little newspaper article trying to spin a story against traditional Catholic values in favor of a “blurring of the genders” agenda.

Little boys need especially in the early years a maternal guide and they can be taught by women. Just prior to puberty and beyond, they need men to teach them.

Women can’t teach boys how to be men as heroically as they might try, they just can’t do it.

I beg to differ. Some of the finest men I know (true men in every sense of the word) were reared only by their mothers. I do agree that for some areas of their upbringing and in some stages of their lives boys would greatly benefit from the teaching and example of a father or father figure, but if there is no male and the mother does her best they can still turn out to be good, upstanding men.

God in His wisdom always provides for His children and it seems to me He has given to either gender the capacity to cover for the other (as parent) if the situation demands it. That is not to say either parent is dispensable, but if circumstances should be that they are not both available for whatever reason, the child’s life is not ruined.

P.S. Maybe the problem is that we don’t both know the same women!