SSPX and women in positions of authority

[GerardP]

I beg to differ. Some of the finest men I know (true men in every sense of the word) were reared only by their mothers.

They found a father figure somewhere. Uncles, Grandfathers, cousins, friends, parents of friends. Coaches, EEEEEP! Referees??

I do agree that for some areas of their upbringing and in some stages of their lives boys would greatly benefit from the teaching and example of a father or father figure, but if there is no male and the mother does her best they can still turn out to be good, upstanding men.

The way for the mother to do her best is to find the boy a male mentor. Not be the male mentor.

God in His wisdom always provides for His children and it seems to me He has given to either gender the capacity to cover for the other (as parent) if the situation demands it. That is not to say either parent is dispensable, but if circumstances should be that they are not both available for whatever reason, the child’s life is not ruined.

The parent can do a fine job but not at the expense of their gender identity. The flip side of the above discussion is true as well, Fathers can’t teach daughters how to be women.

P.S. Maybe the problem is that we don’t both know the same women!

Then again, maybe we do.

 

[lak611]

Little boys need especially in the early years a maternal guide and they can be taught by women. Just prior to puberty and beyond, they need men to teach them.

Women can’t teach boys how to be men as heroically as they might try, they just can’t do it.

So do you propose that high school boys should only have male teachers and high school girls should only have female teachers? My father went to an all-boys’ high school and graduated in 1947. He had women teachers for many of his classes even back then. He served in the Army and was not at all cowardly.

 

[lucybeebee]

It’s worth remembering that prior to about early 20th century, the tasks that were designated as women’s work were very labor-intensive, much more so than the even the average blue collar male job today. Rich women were more like CEOs of the home, because they had to coordinate a huge staff that was not only responsible for household chores, but for making cloth, making clothes, canning, making soap, etc. Since all of this is very time consuming, this is why up until the 1970s it was common for middle class families to have at least one servant, usually a maid or a cook, to help out. The substantial amount of physical labor that many women engaged in to ensure a sucessful household, combined with rough diets (there were no theories about vitamins or nutrition until the 1940s) meant that they probably would have only had four or so menstrual cycles a year. Hence, most families would not have had 10+ (surviving) children each year, as the feminists would have us believe. By the 1920s, inventions like the washing machines, dryers, electric stoves, store bought clothes, supermarkets, kitchen gadgets and the like rendered many of the jobs done by the housewife obsolete. One could also argue that technology and outsourcing has also made many traditionally male roles obsolete as well. Since white collar jobs, which don’t require physical strength, are based on clerical skills and some degree of higher learning, they lack the gendered component of previous kinds of jobs.

 

[jj2011]

Latest press release from SSPX denies that this statement about women in authority was even made, btw.

 

[childofmary1143]

GerardP since you seem obsessed by always bringing up Ultimate Fighting in this thread even though no one is mentioning it, I am wondering what you think about girls learning Martial Arts training? Should martial arts be taught to women?

 

[lucybeebee]

GerardP since you seem obsessed by always bringing up Ultimate Fighting in this thread even though no one is mentioning it, I am wondering what you think about girls learning Martial Arts training? Should martial arts be taught to women?

Traditionally, martial arts have been kept within one or two families and not marketed to the public. Hence, many girls would have learned martial arts. In kung fu, the fan is seen as being a “female weapon” because it could easily be disguised as a fashion accesory. There is a big difference between traditional martial arts and mixed martial arts, though.

 

[lak611]

I am wondering what you think about girls learning Martial Arts training? Should martial arts be taught to women?

Martial Arts training should be taught to women. Law enforcement encourages it. It is a good way for women to learn to protect themselves against men who are criminals.

 

[laudamus_te]

I do agree that for some areas of their upbringing and in some stages of their lives boys would greatly benefit from the teaching and example of a father or father figure, but if there is no male and the mother does her best they can still turn out to be good, upstanding men.

God in His wisdom always provides for His children and it seems to me He has given to either gender the capacity to cover for the other (as parent) if the situation demands it. That is not to say either parent is dispensable, but if circumstances should be that they are not both available for whatever reason, the child’s life is not ruined.

lifesite.net/ldn/2008/feb/08021303.html

To GerardP:
God bless you for your amazing clarity and defense of our Catholic Faith! We need more men like you. :clapping:

 

[ASimpleSinner]

God help these kids the day any of them have to go to traffic court or some such and deal with a woman judge!

They will find that they are just as corrupt and paid for as the male judges.

Huh?

Where did corruption accusations enter the picture? Certainly some are just as corrupt - others just as just. That is a total and utter red herring.

You manage to divert attention and sidestep actually answering the question. Women will be refereeing these boys’ lives at one point or another. They will have a female boss, go before a female judge, or get stopped by a female police officer for speeding.

Is it a mindless game or is it a teaching tool?

Truly it could be either. There is no shortage of professional and NCAA college athletes demonstrating that the character built “on the field” doesn’t always translate to sound moral character. If anything, it is a game that I have watched a lot of men extend their adolescence being consumed by.

You don’t find sports that turn women away from their femininity as an assault on their dignity as women? Female bodybuilding? Female powerlifting? Female endurance sports that destroy their menstrual cycles? Women running marathons and defecating down their legs in the last miles?

Honestly GerardP, these questions are non-starters.

Who could possibly say “Yes, I think it is great when women participate in events that lead to them defecating down their leg!” Who?

Honestly, turn the questions over a little. Is that garbage good for anyone? The body-building world is as much foolishness for most men as women. It leads to vanity as often as not and I have a TRULY difficult time believing it is not floating in substance abuse and body dismorphia. The guys I know who got involved with such spent half their waking time at the gym and the other half either at GNC or consuming the oddest array of diet - from a half dozen chicken breasts and a pound of broccoli in a sitting to drinks they make in the blender that boosts protein and carbohydrate levels to weird and abnormal states.

Additionally the males I have known with the odd penchant for punishing themselves with marathons and marathon training have to tape or put vaseline on their nipples to help prevent them from bleeding (only does so much) as well as experience chaffing on their legs, buttocks and penis to the point of bleeding. How manly.

Playing the role of the “radical moderate” on this one - and making no concession to modernity or sacrifice of orthodoxy - I find it just as pedantic to suggest intrinsic evils in a woman refereeing a child’s game as I find in the suggestion that throwing a ball around in your shorts with other boys is “preparation for manhood” in and of itself.

 

[childofmary1143]

I went to the School’s website to see what it had to say for themselves as I do know that the media can misrepresent this. However I was very curious to discover that on the school’s website it has links for local businesses to advertise via website links on the school’s website.

sjbma.org/

According to the school’s website it says the following:
*The St. Joseph’s BusinessMen’s Association is a lay organization of Roman Catholic businessmen who want to infuse their professional life with the Catholic faith and are guided by the social principles taught by the Magisterium of the Church. We place ourselves under the spiritual guidance of the priests of the Society of St. Pius X, following the spirit of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, defender of Catholic Tradition.

Directed by the social principles of the Catholic Church, our practical mission is to explore, develop and promote economic opportunities, training the youth through educational apprenticeships and financial counseling. In addition, we’re dedicated to identifying the skills of the Association’s members who possess expertise that may be valuable to business development or an existing business. Through our mission we will support each other, our families and parishes for the greater glory of God.*

Any business that is shown on the school website should be a proper one as it would give scandal. I noticed a Tae Kwon Do School website

jasonstkd.com/

there and it got me thinking that if women have no place in tough physical sports (football, boxing, wrestling) then the same would HAVE to apply to martial arts too. Furthermore the School has a female Head Instructor

jasonstkd.com/instructors.asp

So there this clearly proves how HYPOCRITICAL the school is for promoting a business like that. We should write to the Tae Kwon Do school for letting them know what St. Mary’s Academy is REALLY LIKE.

 

[Cincy]

The Referee in a basketball game is similar to the role of a teacher. There should be little if any phsical contact between players and officials. If your concern is breaking up fights, those also are rare and if not there are serious problems with the school. In many years of watching my children’s sports the closest to reveal clothes were from male referees who have gained too much weight.

Cincy

PS I have also seen some very muscular cheerleaders at some of the games

 

[bear06]

Can I just interject something totally different here? Most know I’m anything but an SSPX supporter but I’ve got to say that I just plain hate women referees in mens/boys sports. Sorry folks, I think the main problem with them is they are too much women! We tend to want to defend the weak, see the reason behind things, etc. when we really should just be looking to see if the kid was chopping, reaching, over the back, etc. We’re more likely to try and compensate for our “bad calls”. In general women sympathize and men empathize and I don’t want a ref who’s going to sympathize with the players. I want someone who’s going to understand the situation and act accordingly.

By the way, I also hate women sportscasters too. They pretty much usually say stupid things. They don’t look comfortable in the role and they plain look out of place and ruin the flow of the commentating. Maybe if say, Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham started calling games I might think differently but we don’t have them.

 

[laudamus_te]

Can I just interject something totally different here? Most know I’m anything but an SSPX supporter but I’ve got to say that I just plain hate women referees in mens/boys sports. Sorry folks, I think the main problem with them is they are too much women! We tend to want to defend the weak, see the reason behind things, etc. when we really should just be looking to see if the kid was chopping, reaching, over the back, etc. We’re more likely to try and compensate for our “bad calls”. In general women sympathize and men empathize and I don’t want a ref who’s going to sympathize with the players. I want someone who’s going to understand the situation and act accordingly.

**By the way, I also hate women sportscasters too. ** They pretty much usually say stupid things. They don’t look comfortable in the role and they plain look out of place and ruin the flow of the commentating. Maybe if say, Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham started calling games I might think differently but we don’t have them.

Wow, look at that… something that I agree with bear06 about!

 

[bear06]

Wow, look at that… something that I agree with bear06 about!

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. (I bet you’re wondering right now who the squirrel is.) But seriously, I bet we agree on far more than you’d care to think.

 

[preV2tradcath]

Can I just interject something totally different here? Most know I’m anything but an SSPX supporter but I’ve got to say that I just plain hate women referees in mens/boys sports. Sorry folks, I think the main problem with them is they are too much women! We tend to want to defend the weak, see the reason behind things, etc. when we really should just be looking to see if the kid was chopping, reaching, over the back, etc. We’re more likely to try and compensate for our “bad calls”. In general women sympathize and men empathize and I don’t want a ref who’s going to sympathize with the players. I want someone who’s going to understand the situation and act accordingly.

By the way, I also hate women sportscasters too. They pretty much usually say stupid things. They don’t look comfortable in the role and they plain look out of place and ruin the flow of the commentating. Maybe if say, Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham started calling games I might think differently but we don’t have them.

Thank you, bear06. I totally agree. There are certainly times when women can have authority over boys, but in sports boys should have male refs.

 

[lak611]

Can I just interject something totally different here? Most know I’m anything but an SSPX supporter but I’ve got to say that I just plain hate women referees in mens/boys sports. Sorry folks, I think the main problem with them is they are too much women! We tend to want to defend the weak, see the reason behind things, etc. when we really should just be looking to see if the kid was chopping, reaching, over the back, etc. We’re more likely to try and compensate for our “bad calls”. In general women sympathize and men empathize and I don’t want a ref who’s going to sympathize with the players. I want someone who’s going to understand the situation and act accordingly.

Thank you, bear06. I totally agree. There are certainly times when women can have authority over boys, but in sports boys should have male refs.

What about girls’ and women’s sports? Should they have only female refs?

 

[preV2tradcath]

What about girls’ and women’s sports? Should they have only female refs?

It is nothing more then my opinion, but the answer is yes.

 

[bear06]

What about girls’ and women’s sports? Should they have only female refs?

I don’t have a problem with men refs at a women’s athletic event. In fact, I probably prefer that simply by who can do the better job. They’re their to judge a sport and I believe men can do the job better because of the way their emotions and brains work. They tend to have a better focus because they don’t have the peripheral accuity that women have. While peripheral can be a great asset, it’s also a distraction for things like judging a sporting event. The emotional I already covered.

 

[bear06]

Generally, yes. What do you mean by girls’ sports? Are we talking sports that are conducive to girls or girls imitating boys by having their own football, baseball, etc?

What is the point of girls’ sports anyway? There is a very limited function for sports for boys in the grand scheme but I see very little need for girls’ sports.

Whoaaaaaa!!! Now this is where I’ll have to disagree with you… Sports provide a lot of benefits and when they’re not co-ed, They don’t create competativeness between the sexes or teach that women should behave like men. In fact, many sports actually highlight the difference between men and women. For instance, there’s a difference between softball and baseball. The overwhelming majority of women don’t play and aren’t intested in playing football. Sports provide an entertaining form of physical activity. They’re far more entertaining than running on a treadmill.and girls are far more likely to stick to working out with a team than running on a treadmill. Then there’s the ever popular learning how to be part of a team. And don’t forget the lesson of practice makes perfect.

 

[bear06]

Girls can foster each of those characteristics without having to abandon femininity by imitating men.

Men aren’t sports. Thus, just because a women engages in sports doesn’t mean that they are imitating men.

No. It’s just funny how hysterical people become when someone
criticizes the modern brainwashed perspective on gender nullification.