SSPX and women in positions of authority

[bear06]

To lower the bar for an instant. Do you think males want to date the players or the cheerleaders more?

Last time I checked, cheerleading was a sport. It also has some look requirements that other sports don’t have. Teenage boys usally go for looks and it doesn’t matter what sport the pretty girls is playing as long as she’s pretty.

 

[childofmary1143]

Can I just interject something totally different here? Most know I’m anything but an SSPX supporter but I’ve got to say that I just plain hate women referees in mens/boys sports. Sorry folks, I think the main problem with them is they are too much women! We tend to want to defend the weak, see the reason behind things, etc. when we really should just be looking to see if the kid was chopping, reaching, over the back, etc. We’re more likely to try and compensate for our “bad calls”. In general women sympathize and men empathize and I don’t want a ref who’s going to sympathize with the players. I want someone who’s going to understand the situation and act accordingly.

By the way, I also hate women sportscasters too. They pretty much usually say stupid things. They don’t look comfortable in the role and they plain look out of place and ruin the flow of the commentating. Maybe if say, Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham started calling games I might think differently but we don’t have them.

Bear I appreciate your honesty here and I would definitely agree about women sportscasters as they seem so out of place. However what really concerns me is the undercurrent that the school is sending that Men are better Humans than Women.

By banning women from having any authority position over boys the school is sending the message that women are 2nd class citizens/catholics/whatever. What an insult to God’s greatest creation. It said in the bible that Jesus, 2nd Person of the HOLY TRINITY, was subject to them. Them being St. Joseph his stepfather and Our Lady.

This school acts like a Catholic “taliban” with regard to women.

 

[GerardP]

However what really concerns me is the undercurrent that the school is sending that Men are better Humans than Women.

No. No. No. You’ve got it completely backwards. It is the society at large that is saying that Men have always been better than Women and so, they are trying to turn women into men by having them engage in activities that are more naturally suited to men.

The undercurrent is that women are not worthwhile until they do everything a man does. And it’s all at the cost of their feminine nature.

By banning women from having any authority position over boys the school is sending the message that women are 2nd class citizens/catholics/whatever.

This is simply not true. First women do have authority over young boys in most circumstances. However, in sports, boys are learning to be men. The point of sports is to toughen a boy up so he grows to be a strong man. Sports developed out of the need to prepare for battle.

In a recent news interview, this referee was stating a totally twisted perception of sports, “This is the moment for the kids to shine. They are our stars!” What a perversion of the point of healthy sports. It’s an ego trip now.

What an insult to God’s greatest creation. It said in the bible that Jesus, 2nd Person of the HOLY TRINITY, was subject to them. Them being St. Joseph his stepfather and Our Lady.

This school acts like a Catholic “taliban” with regard to women.

St. Joseph was the head of the Holy Family and Our Lady was a true wife, subordinate to him. She was the Immaculate Heart of the Holy Family.

The fact that she was so much more perfect than St. Joseph and Our Lord infinitely greater than either of them did not make it appropriate to disturb the natural order that Our Lord ordained.

The SSPX and their schools treat women with a higher degree of dignity and value than anywhere else you’ll find. The men are taught to trust in God and love their wives as Christ loves the Church. The women are honored for their incomparable value in the raising of children and being the heart of every home. Women have a higher calling than any man can have short of the priesthood. The women are taught to value themselves and their true feminine nature. They are taught to fight to retain their virtues and not capitulate to the slavery of perverse feminism, fashion trends and self exalting behavior. They aren’t brainwashed to believe that men are some kind of enemy to be competing with.

 

[dixieagle]

St. Joseph was the head of the Holy Family and Our Lady was a true wife, subordinate to him. She was the Immaculate Heart of the Holy Family.

The fact that she was so much more perfect than St. Joseph and Our Lord infinitely greater than either of them did not make it appropriate to disturb the natural order that Our Lord ordained.

Aha! Even your understanding of the “natural order” is skewed.

“Subordinate” means lower in rank or inferior.

“Submissive” means something else entirely, as it is a voluntary “yielding” to another. This, is of course, operative in the relationship between Christian husbands and wives. Nothing “subordinate” about it.

 

[GerardP]

Aha! Even your understanding of the “natural order” is skewed.

“Subordinate” means lower in rank or inferior.

“Submissive” means something else entirely, as it is a voluntary “yielding” to another. This, is of course, operative in the relationship between Christian husbands and wives. Nothing “subordinate” about it.

You seem to equate rank and inferiority with a lack of dignity. That’s false. You are also confusing the complementarity of the genders with “equality” of rank. So someone with a lower rank must by your definition be of lower dignity. Dignity meaning value. This is wrong.

Subordinate comes from “subordinatus” with the prefix “sub” meaning under and “ordinare” which means “to set in order”

Our Lady’s role as wife was subordinate to St. Joseph because God has set the order of husband and wife as such. The fact that she submitted to her proper role is indicative of her perfection, had she not submitted, she would not have been so perfect.

Just as every institution needs a head, the husband is the head of the family as the firechief is head of the firehouse, or the Bank President is head of the bank, just as the Pope is the visible head of the Church.

 

[childofmary1143]

No. No. No. You’ve got it completely backwards. It is the society at large that is saying that Men have always been better than Women and so, they are trying to turn women into men by having them engage in activities that are more naturally suited to men.

The undercurrent is that women are not worthwhile until they do everything a man does. And it’s all at the cost of their feminine nature.

This is simply not true. First women do have authority over young boys in most circumstances. However, in sports, boys are learning to be men. The point of sports is to toughen a boy up so he grows to be a strong man. Sports developed out of the need to prepare for battle.

In a recent news interview, this referee was stating a totally twisted perception of sports, “This is the moment for the kids to shine. They are our stars!” What a perversion of the point of healthy sports. It’s an ego trip now.

St. Joseph was the head of the Holy Family and Our Lady was a true wife, subordinate to him. She was the Immaculate Heart of the Holy Family.

The fact that she was so much more perfect than St. Joseph and Our Lord infinitely greater than either of them did not make it appropriate to disturb the natural order that Our Lord ordained.

The SSPX and their schools treat women with a higher degree of dignity and value than anywhere else you’ll find. The men are taught to trust in God and love their wives as Christ loves the Church. The women are honored for their incomparable value in the raising of children and being the heart of every home. Women have a higher calling than any man can have short of the priesthood. The women are taught to value themselves and their true feminine nature. They are taught to fight to retain their virtues and not capitulate to the slavery of perverse feminism, fashion trends and self exalting behavior. They aren’t brainwashed to believe that men are some kind of enemy to be competing with.

Maybe my perceptions are not correct and I am willing to concede that. However my earlier post about the school, and it is the school that is the emphasis of this thread still stands as the School is sending mixed and contradictory views by not allowing its students to be referred by a woman but promote a business where the Tae Kwon Do Instructor is a woman.

 

[GerardP]

However my earlier post about the school, and it is the school that is the emphasis of this thread still stands as the School is sending mixed and contradictory views by not allowing its students to be referred by a woman but promote a business where the Tae Kwon Do Instructor is a woman.

I’m unaware of the Tae Kwon Do Instructor issue, but the solution is to make sure that St. Mary’s is consistent in practice with the philosophy taught. What should not be done is for the school to change the philosophy to legitimize the errors and capitulate to the modern world’s shallow view of the purpose of sports and the gender roles assigned by God.

 

[latinmasslover]

Why do women feel the need to do everything a man does in order to be good? The selfishness of women is why we’re in the feminist mess that we’re in. That’s essentially what it boils down to, can anyone honestly disagree?

 

[First_of_9]

Why do women feel the need to do everything a man does in order to be good? The selfishness of women is why we’re in the feminist mess that we’re in. That’s essentially what it boils down to, can anyone honestly disagree?

emphasis added.

Please define Selfishness. And yes, I, and I’m sure many others, can ***honestly ***disagree.

Never mind, some will never understand:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

[latinmasslover]

emphasis added.

Please define Selfishness. And yes, I, and I’m sure many others, can ***honestly ***disagree.

Never mind, some will never understand:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Not being satisfied with the way God made her, always wanting more, more, more. “I’m nothing unless I can do everything a man does.” Women degrade women; the men are not to blame.

One cannot disagree with God and be right. A woman’s place is with her children, under her husband. This is how the Lord wishes it. Exceptions exist, I don’t deny that. These days though, the exceptions has become the norm

I myself work. Dad’s a feminist, and Mom can’t afford to take care of me. I wear pants to work - I have walk to get there, at night. Going in a skirt will only draw attention to the fact that I’m a woman and therefore an easy target. Hitching my skirt up to run will only make “them” run faster.

By “honestly disagree” I was meant - can anyone truly disagree with a valid argument?

 

[GerardP]

Why do women feel the need to do everything a man does in order to be good? The selfishness of women is why we’re in the feminist mess that we’re in. That’s essentially what it boils down to, can anyone honestly disagree?

It’s an effect of feminism. Feminism is the enemy of Femininity just as Chauvenism is the enemy of Chivalry.

The surest way to end feminism would be for men to return to Chivalry in the full sense of it.

 

[latinmasslover]

It’s an effect of feminism. Feminism is the enemy of Femininity just as Chauvenism is the enemy of Chivalry.

The surest way to end feminism would be for men to return to Chivalry in the full sense of it.

meow If you come across a Catholic warrior, be sure to send him my way.

 

[bear06]

Bear I appreciate your honesty here and I would definitely agree about women sportscasters as they seem so out of place. However what really concerns me is the undercurrent that the school is sending that Men are better Humans than Women.

By banning women from having any authority position over boys the school is sending the message that women are 2nd class citizens/catholics/whatever. What an insult to God’s greatest creation. It said in the bible that Jesus, 2nd Person of the HOLY TRINITY, was subject to them. Them being St. Joseph his stepfather and Our Lady.

This school acts like a Catholic “taliban” with regard to women.

Well, in their defense, the school did issue this statement after the flap.

PRESS RELEASE ON ST. MARY’S ACADEMY CONTROVERSY

sspx.org/whatsnew.htm

PRESS RELEASE
ON ST. MARY’S ACADEMY CONTROVERSY
February 15, 2008

ST. MARY’S ACADEMY (in St. Mary’s, KS) policy is to have only men in their sports program for boys.

Sports for boys are seen as training for the battlefield of life where the boys will need to fight at times through great difficulties. As such, it is more appropriate that it be men who train and direct the boys in these sports programs for only men can teach the boys to be men, just as only women can truly teach girls to be women.

It is not a question of women having no authority over boys as the quote in the paper (if it was accurate) seems to indicate. It is a question in athletics of men training boys to be men.

I’m wondering why there was a women ref there to begin with? It would seem that either the school didn’t make it’s policy known or the league ignored it. It doesn’t take much to say that we’ll just schedule Sally to ref another game to avoid controversy. I really don’t know who’s fault it was that this wasn’t taken care of before the game.

BTW, I thought the “battlefield of life” was a little dramatic. We don’t livei n Ancient Greece anymore when sporting competitions were actually used to do this.

 

[childofmary1143]

I’m unaware of the Tae Kwon Do Instructor issue, but the solution is to make sure that St. Mary’s is consistent in practice with the philosophy taught. What should not be done is for the school to change the philosophy to legitimize the errors and capitulate to the modern world’s shallow view of the purpose of sports and the gender roles assigned by God.

I honestly don’t think that the main emphasis on sports is male bonding/building whatever. Yes I agree that boys do need to learn from Men what being a Man is all about but part of being a Man is taking care of woman when the need arises. Just as there are SOME things that a woman can’t teach a boy to be a man so also there are SOME things that a man can’t teach a boy about women either.

Sports are athletic activities that help build team play, physical endurance, and enjoyment. You look at any of the sports today that a school will teach: Baseball/Softball, Hockey, Football, Basketball, Soccer, Track and Field. A lot of these sports have been around in the last century and a half. What did boys do to become men before then?

I see nothing wrong with boys playing a sport with a female referee.

 

[ProVobis]

Organized sports always seem to create problems. As kids, we had much more fun and exercise when we played sandlot. No coaches to take us out of games and no refereeing. More fairness, too, we thought. We’d call “foul” and the other side respected it.

 

[bear06]

I know the focus here has been women acting like men and how they shouldn’t do it but I think that men own some of the responsibility. The first thing guys (and the SSPX for that matter) might want to study up on how best to approach a woman. My father used to say that if you want women to act like women that men should treat them like the special creatures God made them. That doesn’t mean men lecturing them on the do’s and don’ts of being a women. That doesn’t mean telling them that they are acting like feminists if they do x, y and z. He worked with a bunch of women who were more than happy to let my dad do the heavy lifting and open doors. He’d make a lot of headway with them. He wouldn’t say “I’ll get that because it’s heavy and God made me the stronger sex.” He’d say “Let me help you because you’re such a lovely gal.” And not a single one of the feminists there ever complained about him being a chauvenist. I also worked there in the summer and the women, every last one of them, would rave about my dad. “He’s such a gentleman.” He didn’t strive to be an authority figure. He strove to be the best man he could. If all men did this, women would respond. I think that if men actually put the “teaching” on hold and tried to do more “assisting” that alot of the “problems” men have with the women around them would vanish. I think men have very much helped to create the problems with feminism.

 

[lucybeebee]

I honestly don’t think that the main emphasis on sports is male bonding/building whatever. Yes I agree that boys do need to learn from Men what being a Man is all about but part of being a Man is taking care of woman when the need arises. Just as there are SOME things that a woman can’t teach a boy to be a man so also there are SOME things that a man can’t teach a boy about women either.

Sports are athletic activities that help build team play, physical endurance, and enjoyment. You look at any of the sports today that a school will teach: Baseball/Softball, Hockey, Football, Basketball, Soccer, Track and Field. A lot of these sports have been around in the last century and a half. What did boys do to become men before then?

I see nothing wrong with boys playing a sport with a female referee.

How did boys become men before sports? Easy. They went to war. Since joining the military is no longer a normative experience for young men, sports are supposed to take its place. During the 19th century, sports were intended to be a practice field for battle maneuvors, at least in English boarding schools.

 

[ProVobis]

Good point about men being in the practice field for what had been intended for them, going to war. Weren’t the Olympic games sort of designed to simulate war and nations being superior based on their athletic prowess? Of course now women compete against other women, but this seems to take the war element out of the picture.

 

[ProVobis]

Bear06, there are acceptable situations where men can be with other men and women with other women, such as a monastery or convent. In fact, one monastery in Italy even disallows female animals, except for cats because they have a rat problem but the point is, it’s ok for men to steer away from females and temptation for the greater glory of God, if that is their calling. I think women need to respect that.

 

[lucybeebee]

If not having women referee games was so important to St. Mary’s one would think that this issue would have come up before now. I don’t know the mechanics of how sporting events are arranged, but couldn’t they have explained their position ahead of time to the authorities and avoided this whole mess?