St. John's Episcopal Church

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Sy_Noe said:
I didn’t see the OP in that way at all.

Fact: The Trumps have on occasion attend Episcopal churches near Mar-a-Lago and now the WH.

Fact: President Trump is on record saying he was not sure he had ever asked God for forgiveness and that he doesn’t even bring God into that picture.

Fact: President Trump spoke of a “little cracker”.

Fact: FLOTUS says she is a Catholic.

Fact: They were married in TEC, baptized their son in TEC, and at least the President has taken communion there.

The OP merely wanted to know what Episcopalians believed and wondered what the Trumps believe. Nothing wrong with that. And I think the answers were supplied, by even using the words of Trump himself, the best that could be.
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These topics have been rehashed on other threads and eventually closed because
the arguments never got anywhere. The same points made over and over again.
I would certainly expect more of you, but I guess I was wrong.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Because many of the posts here about Trump are very unChristian because they are so filled with hate for and about Trump. I don’t support Bernie Sanders or follow him, but I don’t hate him. I did not support Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz, but I did not hate
him.

For people to post here multiple hours a day 7 days a week bashing and trashing President Trump and his family it has to be a strong emotion motivating them.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.
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There’s nothing unChristian about asking about Trump as the OP here did and then answering the OP with the words of Trump himself. What better way to answer for Trump than to allow his own words to speak for him.
 
GKC said:
I suspected that might be the case, when I replied to post #19. I judged it to be disingenuous. But you know me. If it relates to something about Anglicans (or certain other subjects), I usually will make a comment. It’s was what started me posting online, back around 20 years ago. As long as I’m around, I probably will do so.

Not sure how long that will be, to be sure.
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Well, that wasn’t the point of my OP. It just turned into that.
 
Sy_Noe said:
I didn’t see the OP in that way at all.

Fact: The Trumps have on occasion attend Episcopal churches near Mar-a-Lago and now the WH.

Fact: President Trump is on record saying he was not sure he had ever asked God for forgiveness and that he doesn’t even bring God into that picture.

Fact: President Trump spoke of a “little cracker”.

Fact: FLOTUS says she is a Catholic.

Fact: They were married in TEC, baptized their son in TEC, and at least the President has taken communion there.

The OP merely wanted to know what Episcopalians believed and wondered what the Trumps believe. Nothing wrong with that. And I think the answers were supplied, by even using the words of Trump himself, the best that could be.
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Thank you. You said it better than I did. 👍
 
7_Sorrows said:
Because many of the posts here about Trump are very unChristian because they are so filled with hate for and about Trump. I don’t support Bernie Sanders or follow him, but I don’t hate him. I did not support Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz, but I did not hate
him.

For people to post here multiple hours a day 7 days a week bashing and trashing President Trump and his family it has to be a strong emotion motivating them.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.
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Where on earth did I say I “hate” Trump? Huh?
 
Faith1960 said:
Well, that wasn’t the point of my OP. It just turned into that.
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Things can get out of control, to be sure.

You were uncertain if an Episcopalian would likely refer to the consecrated host as a little cracker, in your post #19?
 
GKC said:
Things can get out of control, to be sure.

You were uncertain if an Episcopalian would likely refer to the consecrated host as a little cracker, in your post #19?
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Yeah, I wanted to know if Episcopalians typically say things like that or if it was something Trump carelessly said.
 
Faith1960 said:
Yeah, I wanted to know if Episcopalians typically say things like that or if it was something Trump carelessly said.
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Well, I’m hesitant to make any comprehensive assertion on Episcopalians, or Anglicans in general, motley being as motley does. But I think the negative reply to that question is as close as I am ever likely to come.

Your exposure to Episcopalians has been limited?
 
GKC said:
Well, I’m hesitant to make any comprehensive assertion on Episcopalians, or Anglicans in general, motley being as motley does. But I think the negative reply to that question is as close as I am ever likely to come.

Your exposure to Episcopalians has been limited?
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Very limited. We don’t have any Episcopalian churches in my area, at all. Same goes for where I grew up, which isn’t really all that far from where I currently live.
There could be one in the next suburb over, but I don’t know.

I think I went to high school with some Episcopalian kids, but back then we didn’t talk much about religion.
 
Faith1960 said:
Very limited. We don’t have any Episcopalian churches in my area, at all. Same goes for where I grew up, which isn’t really all that far from where I currently live.
There could be one in the next suburb over, but I don’t know.

I think I went to high school with some Episcopalian kids, but back then we didn’t talk much about religion.
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Ok. I misjudged the question. My apologies.
 
Faith1960 said:
IMO, I doubt either of them are very religious, but are trying to look the part for show.
Of course I don’t know what’s in either of their hearts, but that’s my opinion.
I’m not into Trump, at all, despite reluctantly voting for him, but I just have the impression Mr. Trump is more Christian than Melania is Catholic. 🤷
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Would you like it if by attending Mass people judged you as doing it for show?
Would you like people to say about you that they doubt you are very religious, but
just trying to look the part?

You have the impression President Trump is more Christian than Melania is
Catholic? That sounds very judgmental!

They attended church at St. John’s Episcopal where many previous presidents have
attended. Between Hurricane Harvey, approaching Hurricane Irma and the threats
from North Korea, President has many concerns and probably has many prayers
as well.
Episcopalians generally do not use crackers for Holy Communion and it usually is up
to the priest whether it is open communion.
I am thankful he and his family are attending church. His son is also attending an
Episcopal school. If their son was baptized Episcopalian I would assume President Trump and Melania both had to become Episcopalians, but I am not 100% sure about
that.
I guess until they answer these questions themselves, it is best not to speculate.
The important point is their spiritual life and their relationship with Jesus Christ.
I pray for them every night.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Would you like it if by attending Mass people judged you as doing it for show?
Would you like people to say about you that they doubt you are very religious, but
just trying to look the part?

You have the impression President Trump is more Christian than Melania is
Catholic? That sounds very judgmental!
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If I said what Trump publicly said in that video, people would be free to judge me. I mean, why NOT?
Admittedly, I judged him before I saw the video, but the video confirmed my opinion.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Would you like it if by attending Mass people judged you as doing it for show?
Would you like people to say about you that they doubt you are very religious, but
just trying to look the part?

You have the impression President Trump is more Christian than Melania is
Catholic? That sounds very judgmental!

They attended church at St. John’s Episcopal where many previous presidents have
attended. Between Hurricane Harvey, approaching Hurricane Irma and the threats
from North Korea, President has many concerns and probably has many prayers
as well.
Episcopalians generally do not use crackers for Holy Communion and it usually is up
to the priest whether it is open communion.
I am thankful he and his family are attending church. His son is also attending an
Episcopal school. If their son was baptized Episcopalian I would assume President Trump and Melania both had to become Episcopalians, but I am not 100% sure about
that.
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Then you’re probably in the minority among those who have participated in these Trump threads because IIRC, most people “assume” Melania is Catholic.

And how would you like it if people were making assumptions about you when they weren’t 100% sure of something?
 
Faith1960 said:
Then you’re probably in the minority among those who have participated in these Trump threads because IIRC, most people “assume” Melania is Catholic.

And how would you like it if people were making assumptions about you when they weren’t 100% sure of something?
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On the last point, folks do it to me, from time to time.
 
Faith1960 said:
Then you’re probably in the minority among those who have participated in these Trump threads because IIRC, most people “assume” Melania is Catholic.

And how would you like it if people were making assumptions about you when they weren’t 100% sure of something?
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Melania had the Pope bless her personal rosary when in Rome. Since she lived in a country that practiced communism when she was young, we are not sure of her
religious upbringing.
Hopefully, someday during an interview perhaps she will address these issues.

We are all on our spiritual journeys.
I personally have been Episcopalian, agnostic,contemplated converting to Judaism
after studying for almost a year, then an Anglican for 6 months and then finally a
Catholic. This, of course, was over 65 years. For most of my 65 years I was not a practicing Christian as far as belonging to any church.
And it is because of judgmental posts like what I read here that remind me of why I
was a nonpracticing Christian.
 
7_Sorrows said:
If their son was baptized Episcopalian I would assume President Trump and Melania both had to become Episcopalians, but I am not 100% sure about
that…
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Not the case that the parents would have to become confirmed (or received) members of the Episcopal Church in order to have a child baptized.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Not the case that the parents would have to become confirmed (or received) members of the Episcopal Church in order to have a child baptized.
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I’ve never read anything saying they’re Episcopalian. I did once read Trump was Presbyterian and before that, interdenominational, on here, I think.
 
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