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THurifer2
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Give the Man a RED HAT NOW!!!
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St. Louis Archbishop warns of excommunication over women's ordination
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Elzee
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Time to write a letter of recommendation to Pope Benedict.Give the Man a RED HAT NOW!!!
THESE are the strong, faithful men we need in our college of Cardinals.
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beckers
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I just have to share what one of my seminary friends told me when i emailed him this article
Discrimination is only discrimination if it is a basic human right, ordination is no one’s right.
He is so wise. By the way i have such hope in the future for our priest too. I know many (5+) seminarians and their faith and love for god is so beautiful and they are 100% faithful to the teachings of the church.WOOAH!!
Discrimination is only discrimination if it is a basic human right, ordination is no one’s right.
He is so wise. By the way i have such hope in the future for our priest too. I know many (5+) seminarians and their faith and love for god is so beautiful and they are 100% faithful to the teachings of the church.WOOAH!!
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Elzee
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Me too . It’s going to take 10-20 years before these young men get out into the world and are in positions as pastors in many cases, but the seeds are planted. We need to pray fervently for our young priests.I By the way i have such hope in the future for our priest too. I know many (5+) seminarians and their faith and love for god is so beautiful and they are 100% faithful to the teachings of the church.WOOAH!!
God is restoring his Church despite His people.
Thank Him for His mercy.
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catherine_m
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What a fantastic Archbishop. :extrahappy: The people of St. Louis are lucky to have him. May God continue to give him courage to stand up for Church teaching. :knight2:
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crenfro
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All the mean-spiritedness in this thread depresses me.
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mercygate
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All His Eminence has done is to state the fact. No process of juridical excommunication is necessary. The very attempt at “ordaining” these dames (albeit absurdly inadequate/invalid/illicit) effects their excommunication *latae sententiae. *They excommunicate themselves.Rome wont do it, but Archbishop Burke of St. Louis sure will- St. Louis Archbishop warns of excommunication over women’s ordination
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estesbob
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Does it depress you more than these women causing themselves to be excommunicated from the One True Church?All the mean-spiritedness in this thread depresses me.
I personally haven’t seen anything in this thread that would be considered to be mean-spirited -just well justified criticism of what these women are doing .
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snowfly
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We’ve had protesters before and we’ll have protesters again, I would stay at home on Sundays sooner than go- to any of their gatherings, and it is sad that they see themselves fit to tell the Church what to do.
Excommunication is a serious thing to have hanging on any of us.
Excommunication is a serious thing to have hanging on any of us.
It depresses me when I see these liberals in the Church thinking they can bend the rules to suit themselves.All the mean-spiritedness in this thread depresses me.
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dessert
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Isn’t Archbishop Burke getting a little too political?
He doesn’t have the right to excommunicate anyone only the Pope does.
I wish he would put more attention on abortion and go agaainst that.
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He doesn’t have the right to excommunicate anyone only the Pope does.
I wish he would put more attention on abortion and go agaainst that.
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estesbob
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Excommunicating someone for direct defiance of the church is political? And you are mistaken a bishop can indeed excommunicate someone. IIsn’t Archbishop Burke getting a little too political?
He doesn’t have the right to excommunicate anyone only the Pope does.
I wish he would put more attention on abortion and go agaainst that.
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'm curious-do you think women should be ordained?
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dessert
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No but I think this is becoming a witch hunt.Excommunicating someone for direct defiance of the church is political? And you are mistaken a bishop can indeed excommunicate someone. I
'm curious-do you think women should be ordained?
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crenfro
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I’m sorry. I guess I wasn’t clear. Aren’t we all, as Catholics, supposed to do things out of love? To me, some of the postings in this thread seem more confrontational, defensive and self-righteous than loving. That is how I see it. I’m not requiring anybody to agree with me.I personally haven’t seen anything in this thread that would be considered to be mean-spirited -just well justified criticism of what these women are doing .
I agree with the consensus within this topic, but I worry about criticism turning into judgment of others, and I keep remembering the parable of the self-righteous pharisee’s and the tax collector’s prayers, and the one which was pleasing to God.
I don’t believe Catholics are going to attract a good quality of convert by being a bunch of contentious individuals.
I do agree that abuses in the Catholic church must not be allowed, those in disobedience must be disciplined, but there can be worlds of difference in what you say and how you say it.
This is all I meant to say.
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Marauder
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How is excommunicating someone for OPENLY defying church teaching a witch hunt?No but I think this is becoming a witch hunt.
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This is the reason the church has penalties like excommunication to:
a) try to get a person to realize the error of their ways
b) if the person doesn’t realize the error to seperate them from the community.
These people are openly defying church teaching and drawing other people into their errors. What about people that go to their services thinking they are receiving the Body and Blood of Christ? What about the people that go to confession to them thinking they are being absolved? Anyone can put on vestments to look like a priest, doesn’t mean they were called to be a priest or are a priest.
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snowfly
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Latae sententiae is automatic.Isn’t Archbishop Burke getting a little too political?
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He doesn’t have the right to excommunicate anyone only the Pope does.**
I wish he would put more attention on abortion and go agaainst that.
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And quote: If the ecclesiastical authority takes notice that someone has incurred a latae sententiae penalty, it may declare that fact. However, the punishment is in effect since the fault was committed, and the declaration simply aims to ascertain that fact.
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estesbob
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A witchhunt? In what way? These women are openly defying the church. How is he Archbishop supposed respond?No but I think this is becoming a witch hunt.
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snowfly
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And if the Archbishop didn’t speak out we would have many complaining too, I’m glad people are complaining because he is doing something that is painfully right, because I’m sure it brings the Church no joy in having to do this.No but I think this is becoming a witch hunt.
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He_Man
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When the witches fly to your door on broomsticks and spit in your face, it ceases becoming a hunt.No but I think this is becoming a witch hunt.
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That’s like a fish jumping into my boat and descaling itself.
He didn’t go looking for them per se, but what is wrong with that? We should root out those who at their core, and being led by Satan. Whether they know they are or not is irrelevant. They are.
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Meunke
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“Aren’t we all, as Catholics, supposed to do things out of love? To me, some of the postings in this thread seem more confrontational, defensive and self-righteous than loving.”
Excommunication IS DONE OUT OF LOVE. It is making sure they understand that what they are doing is in direct violation of the Church of God.
Equating the rightful leadership of the Church trying to make sure violation of Church law isn’t committed with that of the judgemental pharisee is… well… not that smart.
Shrugging your shoulders and sighing ‘oh well’ to schism isn’t showing love at all. Sometimes the leadership in the Church has to smack their hand and say “NO!” It’s a form of love in itself. Do not parents discipline their children out of love?
Excommunication IS DONE OUT OF LOVE. It is making sure they understand that what they are doing is in direct violation of the Church of God.
Equating the rightful leadership of the Church trying to make sure violation of Church law isn’t committed with that of the judgemental pharisee is… well… not that smart.
Shrugging your shoulders and sighing ‘oh well’ to schism isn’t showing love at all. Sometimes the leadership in the Church has to smack their hand and say “NO!” It’s a form of love in itself. Do not parents discipline their children out of love?
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dessert
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Who would be stupid enough to go to a woman priest who isn’t really ordained and we know it and confess their sins and even think they are absolved?How is excommunicating someone for OPENLY defying church teaching a witch hunt?
This is the reason the church has penalties like excommunication to:
a) try to get a person to realize the error of their ways
b) if the person doesn’t realize the error to seperate them from the community.
These people are openly defying church teaching and drawing other people into their errors. What about people that go to their services thinking they are receiving the Body and Blood of Christ? What about the people that go to confession to them thinking they are being absolved? Anyone can put on vestments to look like a priest, doesn’t mean they were called to be a priest or are a priest.
This is just creating an insurrection and what I said a witch hunt!
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