St. Louis Archbishop warns of excommunication over women's ordination

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Who would be stupid enough to go to a woman priest who isn’t really ordained and we know it and confess their sins and even think they are absolved?

This is just creating an insurrection and what I said a witch hunt!
If these were better times, I would agree with you. However, have you seen the numbers on how many ‘Catholics’ don’t even believe in the Blessed Sacrament?

I’m willing to bet that there are a few, whether in confusion, lack of knowledge of the Faith, or out of spite who would.
 
Who would be stupid enough to go to a woman priest who isn’t really ordained and we know it and confess their sins and even think they are absolved?

This is just creating an insurrection and what I said a witch hunt!
I guess you haven’t been following the news real closely. Many pictures and news articles covering these cases show the woman “priests” performing a Mass as if they were a priest. They also show people attending. That is the problem, not only do these woman think they are ordained, they are misleading people into thinking they are ordained.

Take a look at this link and see if you think they are misguiding people.
romancatholicwomenpriests.org/photo_gallery.htm
I really think you need to think about what a witch hunt is. An organization disciplining its members that are openly defying their teaching is not a witch hunt.
 
A witchhunt? In what way? These women are openly defying the church. How is he Archbishop supposed respond?
He needs to approach them or her and which he more than likely has and explain the definance. He probably has but to do it publically in an article is like a public threat. This is likely legal but I think it is suppose to be done quietly and then when it is done be made known but it is like he is trying to get public support for himself and like I said a witch hunt! Maybe he is trying to stress the end justifies the means but does he think they will change their minds,? no he is making an example of them or her.
An insurrection! He is calling all to pick up a stone.
Oh well, go ahead and throw your stones. Count me out.
If it was happening in my church, I would go to another church or diocese.
D.
 
He needs to approach them or her and which he more than likely has and explain the definance. He probably has but to do it publically in an article is like a public threat. This is likely legal but I think it is suppose to be done quietly and then when it is done be made known but it is like he is trying to get public support for himself and like I said a witch hunt! Maybe he is trying to stress the end justifies the means but does he think they will change their minds,? no he is making an example of them or her.
An insurrection! He is calling all to pick up a stone.
Oh well, go ahead and throw your stones. Count me out.
If it was happening in my church, I would go to another church or diocese.
D.
Darlin’ those dames are eating up the publicity as if it were a hot fudge sundae topped with peanuts and a bright red cherry.
 
Who would be stupid enough to go to a woman priest who isn’t really ordained and we know it and confess their sins and even think they are absolved?

This is just creating an insurrection and what I said a witch hunt!
Why not? Did you see this part of the article *“*However, a majority of Catholic respondents to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll taken just after the death of Pope John Paul II in 2005 said they favored ordination of women.” Obviously some people do not understand nor realize that the church has spoken on this position and no amount of scream “we want change” is going to cause that change BUT some people don’t like to acknowledge the churches position and if people favor it then they might think that these women are in fact priest. Especially if these women claim to be “catholic”.

It’s not a witch hunt by any means. Archbishop Burke is letting his flock know that these women are indeed not priest and have ex-excommunicate themselves from the community because of their actions. The bishop did not going looking for them. They basically flung themselves right in front of the bishop. I mean if you told your child “Don’t throw that toy at your brother or you will be grounded” and then the child throws the toy at the brother anyways…what are you suppose to do? Say I love you, don’t do it again or follow through with your punishment?? I see no difference between what the Bishop is doing and the parent has done. The bishop is letting them know that IF THEY do such action then this will be the consequence. It’s nothing he is doing to them but what they have chosen to do to themselves.
 
He needs to approach them or her and which he more than likely has and explain the definance. He probably has but to do it publically in an article is like a public threat.
The problem is you are assuming he was the person that first made it public as opposed to responding to already public knowledge. Nowhere does it say that this was originally made public by the Bishop. Actually the archdiocese has said “The archdiocese declined to comment on the letters.” Sounds like this was made public via different sources.
"An insurrection! He is calling all to pick up a stone.
Oh well, go ahead and throw your stones. Count me out.
If it was happening in my church, I would go to another church or diocese.
D.
Where was he telling anyone to do anything? This is the church saying they are excommunicated. It doesn’t say for anyone else to do anything to them. I perfer being members of a church that tries to show people they may be doing something wrong instead of one that allows people to do WHATEVER they want.

The problem
 
He needs to approach them or her and which he more than likely has and explain the definance. He probably has but to do it publically in an article is like a public threat. This is likely legal but I think it is suppose to be done quietly and then when it is done be made known but it is like he is trying to get public support for himself and like I said a witch hunt! Maybe he is trying to stress the end justifies the means but does he think they will change their minds,? no he is making an example of them or her.
An insurrection! He is calling all to pick up a stone.
Oh well, go ahead and throw your stones. Count me out.
If it was happening in my church, I would go to another church or diocese.
D.

Well from the article is looks like the women choose to make it public not the archbishop.​

In letters delivered by courier to the women’s homes Monday evening, Burke warned the women they would be committing a “grave error” and “act of schism” by trying to receive priestly ordination.

He reminded them that the pope has stated infallibly that only men can receive a valid ordination.

“Should you refuse to comply … in order to protect the faithful from grave spiritual deception … you will incur automatically … the censure of excommunication,” wrote Burke, who is also a church lawyer.

He said “additional disciplinary measures will also have to be imposed.”

The archdiocese declined to comment on the letters.
 
Isn’t Archbishop Burke getting a little too political?

He doesn’t have the right to excommunicate anyone only the Pope does.

I wish he would put more attention on abortion and go against that.
D.
Bishops can definitely excommunicate. They are the ordinary pastors of their diocese. An appeal can be made to the Pope, but I doubt these ladies want to waste their time with that.

In fact, these kinds of things really should be handled by bishops. This kind of local disturbance is not really the kind of thing Rome should be handling (although the Pope could if he chose).

But regardless, he is just warning them of an automatic offense here.
 
He needs to approach them or her and which he more than likely has and explain the definance. He probably has but to do it publically in an article is like a public threat. This is likely legal but I think it is suppose to be done quietly and then when it is done be made known but it is like he is trying to get public support for himself and like I said a witch hunt! Maybe he is trying to stress the end justifies the means but does he think they will change their minds,? no he is making an example of them or her.
An insurrection! He is calling all to pick up a stone.
Oh well, go ahead and throw your stones. Count me out.
If it was happening in my church, I would go to another church or diocese.
D.
The offense is a VERY public one, done with blatant disregard for Church Law, and he probably sees it as requiring a public response.

The Bishop is not calling on all to pick up stones. You are not qualified, nor am I, of taking action in this case, which is entirely within the bounds of the Church.

But you’re right, I guess. People who openly challenge Church doctrine or law shouldn’t be publically disciplined. It’s a good think that people like Pelegius and Arius dropped their false teachings after a very private, sweet letter from the Pope.
 
I guess you haven’t been following the news real closely. Many pictures and news articles covering these cases show the woman “priests” performing a Mass as if they were a priest. They also show people attending. That is the problem, not only do these woman think they are ordained, they are misleading people into thinking they are ordained.

Take a look at this link and see if you think they are misguiding people.
romancatholicwomenpriests.org/photo_gallery.htm
I really think you need to think about what a witch hunt is. An organization disciplining its members that are openly defying their teaching is not a witch hunt.
Ah this explains why we are getting a new archbishop in Milwaukee, no I don’t have access to some articles.
I can’t download this my puter doesn’t handle this well.

I could tell you lot’s of other stuff I have heard about going on in Milwaukee, but just rumors that I know of. I don’t have any prophe in articles.

This is the crux of the matter it is more than just these women, maybe the one s following them is good riddens let them go off the clifff I think they know what they are doing they are not stupid, all have their own agenda, but the Archbishop Burke is singling out this one matter, like I said I don’t care. I don’t think it is going to work. But what do I know?
D.
 
The problem is you are assuming he was the person that first made it public as opposed to responding to already public knowledge. Nowhere does it say that this was originally made public by the Bishop. Actually the archdiocese has said “The archdiocese declined to comment on the letters.” Sounds like this was made public via different sources.
I’d agree, in fact it seems that it was the women themselves, or their supporters, who came forward with the letters.
 
This is the crux of the matter it is more than just these women, maybe the one s following them is good riddens let them go off the clifff I think they know what they are doing they are not stupid
Which is the more Christian approach? To warn the woman what they are doing is wrong and that if they do it they will be excommunicated. Or allowing them to “go off the cliff”. The one reflects a loving shepards care and guidance, the other someone who doesn’t care.
all have their own agenda, but the Archbishop Burke is singling out this one matter, like I said I don’t care.
He is singling out this matter because it is happening within his boundaries. It was the responsability of other Bishops to do the same thing when it was happening within their boundaries.
 
These women are at best mocking the Church and abusing Christ, and at worst, leading themselves and many others straight to hell.

The Bishop would be derelict if he DIDN’T try and stop them, and create awareness.

“Scandal” or “bad press” (which I don’t even see here) is still preferable to an eternity in hell.
 
He needs to approach them or her and which he more than likely has and explain the definance. He probably has but to do it publically in an article is like a public threat. This is likely legal but I think it is suppose to be done quietly and then when it is done be made known but it is like he is trying to get public support for himself and like I said a witch hunt! Maybe he is trying to stress the end justifies the means but does he think they will change their minds,? no he is making an example of them or her.
An insurrection! He is calling all to pick up a stone.
Oh well, go ahead and throw your stones. Count me out.
If it was happening in my church, I would go to another church or diocese.
D.
Are you saying you want to be in a church or a diocesa that does not promote teachings of the Church? I still cannot understand why you say this is a witch hunt. I have a feeling there is more to this and you’re letting on,
 
Thanks be to God for Archbishop Burke! May he be created a Cardinal soon!

The one thing I don’t get, though, is that I thought that this mockery of an ordination was already punished by latae sententiae excommunication. Does Archbishop Burke or any bishop for that matter have to actually declare people who do something of this sort excommunicated for them to be excommunicated or does that happen automatically?

At any rate, I thank God that His Excellency is once again bravely defending the Catholic Faith. 👍

Let’s pray for more bishops like him.
 
Are you saying you want to be in a church or a diocesa that does not promote teachings of the Church? I still cannot understand why you say this is a witch hunt. I have a feeling there is more to this and you’re letting on,
I get the same feeling…
 
The one thing I don’t get, though, is that I thought that this mockery of an ordination was already punished by latae sententiae excommunication. Does Archbishop Burke or any bishop for that matter have to actually declare people who do something of this sort excommunicated for them to be excommunicated or does that happen automatically?
The Archbishop himself explains it better then anyone else can.
Given the most sacred nature of the sacraments which will be simulated, the women involved and any Catholic who knowingly and deliberately assists them risks the eternal salvation of their souls. They commit mortal sin. Because of the most grave, public and obstinate nature of the proposed act of attempted ordination, the Church automatically applies medicinal penalties to the parties who complete the act. Medicinal penalties, for example, excommunication and interdict, are aimed at calling the persons away from their sin and to reconciliation with Christ and His Church. The women involved have been duly admonished regarding the penalties which they will incur, should they proceed with the attempted ordination. Any medicinal penalties or censures incurred will be appropriately declared, so that the ecclesial status of the parties involved may be clear for all.
Basically he is saying that even though it is an automatic excommunication, he is doing it this way to make sure it is absolutely clear they are excommunicated. No grey areas for the Archbishop.
 
Bishops Burke and Bruskewitz, Cardinal Rigali, Bishop Chaput, Bishop Myers, and Bishop hughes are all fantastic. We need more men like this.
 
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