'Stand Your Ground' hearing could potentially clear Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin shooting

[seekerz]

I think he was referring to the many attacks on white people by angry black youth who became polarized over this case. If they don’t get blood for this case they will take it elsewhere. Just like with Rodney King the media didn’t show the footage before they had him down where he was successfully resisting a small army of cops and resisting arrest.

Just like Rodney King? You mean Zimmerman has footage of this fantastic story of his being beaten up by an unarmed kid before magically managing to elude the marvel kid’s many-handed grasp and reach his holstered gun?

 

[seekerz]

Nope, the judge will be the trier of fact in this hearing.

Yeah, I kind of got ahead of myself there…I meant when the case gets to a jury. I’m crediting the judge with the ability to smell when something’s rotten in Denmark, though there’s always the chance I might be wrong about that.

 

[gilliam]

Nope, the judge will be the trier of fact in this hearing.

I would be surprised if this situation would be covered under “Stand Your Ground” but I also think the prosecution doesn’t have a case here and should move for dismissal.

 

[seekerz]

I would be surprised if this situation would be covered under “Stand Your Ground” but I also think the prosecution doesn’t have a case here and should move for dismissal.

So what do you see Zimmerman’s defense as being?

 

[seekerz]

George Zimmerman acted in self defense. The initial investigation proved this. It wasn’t until RACISTS like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson used this tragedy for a photo op that this persecution of Zimmerman began.

People remember things the way they choose to, then point fingers and shout ‘racist’ at those who disagree. I heard about this case and the family’s demand for justice on CNN well before Sharpton got involved. My understanding is that Twitter was where the incident was publicized. I’m not sure at what stage Jackson did, but his role didn’t seem particularly prominent to me.

I do so hate scapegoating but it seems the favored way to deal with social problems.

 

[seekerz]

So what if the police didn’t show up? There was no crime taking place, or even any evidence of an imminent crime. In fact, if Zimmerman had simply observed for an hour, he would have seen where Martin was going.

The amazing concern for property over life is what disgusts me most about this story. It’s not like the kid was scaling a wall or climbing through someone’s window, but Zimmerman’s right to protect the property of unknown residents gets more importance than the right of a kid to continue breathing…Amazing!

Is it any wonder the right to life has become more of a political football than a priority concern? Who really places it front and center, BEFORE ideology and political posturing? Too few people in my opinion.

 

[gilliam]

So what do you see Zimmerman’s defense as being?

In the Florida the prosecution has to prove Zimmerman had malace and they can’t so they have no case. Zimmerman doesn’t really need a defense.

see:
richardhornsby.com/crimes/homicide/second-degree-murder.html

 

[seekerz]

In the Florida the prosecution has to prove Zimmerman had malace and they can’t so they have no case. Zimmerman doesn’t really need a defense.

see:
richardhornsby.com/crimes/homicide/second-degree-murder.html

How does one prove malice? By showing motive perhaps? I’d say that Zimmerman’s history of calls to the police, the demographics of his ‘suspects’, the fact that he pursued a kid who wasn’t doing any harm with the stated purpose of making sure that “they” didn’t get away as “always” shows that he did set out after Trayvon with prejudice, forethought and malice.

Taken with the testimony of his neighborhood watch partner (who can’t perjure himself now that he’s let loose on national TV) that there was heightened concern over “young, black males” due to recent burglaries supposedly involving said young men, you get a pretty accurate picture of the prevailing atmosphere in that neighborhood and of Zimmerman’s state of mind.

 

[TheDoors]

How does one prove malice? By showing motive perhaps? I’d say that Zimmerman’s history of calls to the police, the demographics of his ‘suspects’, the fact that he pursued a kid who wasn’t doing any harm with the stated purpose of making sure that “they” didn’t get away as “always” shows that he did set out after Trayvon with prejudice, forethought and malice.

Taken with the testimony of his neighborhood watch partner (who can’t perjure himself now that he’s let loose on national TV) that there was heightened concern over “young, black males” due to recent burglaries supposedly involving said young men, you get a pretty accurate picture of the prevailing atmosphere in that neighborhood and of Zimmerman’s state of mind.

Um… being concerned about a young black male wearing a hooded sweatshirt around your neighbourhood that has recently had a rash of young black males wearing hooded sweatshirts breaking in and robbing elderly folks isn’t racist.

And when you call the police and report these actions, then have to wait an hour before anyone shows up, saying “they” always get away isn’t racist either.

Why’s it got to be about race anyway? Yes, a young man was shot and killed after he assaulted another man who was following him. One man is dead, and another has had his name and family dragged through a trial of public opinion. This is a tragedy. And it is this kind of polarizing garbage blown out of proportion that makes this world US versus THEM. This country has shown a disgusting lack of common sense, personal dignity and Christian charity during these events.

The media has spared no expense in turning this event into a circus, talking heads have each gotten their television time, and even our politicians- our highest elected officials - have stepped on a local investigation and made it an issue of race. Members of Congress. CONGRESS! Declared this man guilty by their actions without trial. Our president, a man who had no business commenting on this case at all, made comments about race. We as a nation should be ashamed. As an American, as a voter, as a Catholic and as a man, I am ashamed. Even I got pulled into the anger and the hate here, just from what it turns people into.

Shame on us all.

 

[TheDoors]

Nothing like a rosary to get rid of the rage. Mary, mother of God, watch over me.

"It is better not to allow anger, however just and reasonable, to enter at all, than to admit it in ever so slight a degree; once admitted, it will not be easily expelled, for, though at first but a small plant, it will immediately grow into a large tree.”
–Saint Augustine

 

[SamH]

The amazing concern for property over life is what disgusts me most about this story. It’s not like the kid was scaling a wall or climbing through someone’s window, but Zimmerman’s right to protect the property of unknown residents gets more importance than the right of a kid to continue breathing…Amazing! .

Zimmerman did not shoot the man for climbing through someone’s window - he shot him because he was being beaten to death.

 

[seekerz]

Zimmerman did not shoot the man for climbing through someone’s window - he shot him because he was being beaten to death.

Sez who? The same man who acted too broke for bail? What else is he acting about?

Some neighborhood watch guy: “being beaten to death” by a kid! He should be charged separately for endangering his neighbors by pretending to be able to watch them.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Sez who? The same man who acted too broke for bail? What else is he acting about?

Some neighborhood watch guy: “being beaten to death” by a kid! He should be charged separately for endangering his neighbors by pretending to be able to watch them.

Being beaten to death by a 17 year old football player. He wasn’t a “kid” by any stretch of the imagination. Mentally, perhaps, and that flawed thinking was demonstrated when he decided to pursue and confront Zimmerman when he could have just gone home. But physically, he was probably more of a man than the overweight and middle aged Zimmerman.

 

[seekerz]

Um… being concerned about a young black male wearing a hooded sweatshirt around your neighbourhood that has recently had a rash of young black males wearing hooded sweatshirts breaking in and robbing elderly folks isn’t racist.

And when you call the police and report these actions, then have to wait an hour before anyone shows up, saying “they” always get away isn’t racist either.

Why’s it got to be about race anyway? Yes, a young man was shot and killed after he assaulted another man who was following him. One man is dead, and another has had his name and family dragged through a trial of public opinion. This is a tragedy. And it is this kind of polarizing garbage blown out of proportion that makes this world US versus THEM. This country has shown a disgusting lack of common sense, personal dignity and Christian charity during these events.

The media has spared no expense in turning this event into a circus, talking heads have each gotten their television time, and even our politicians- our highest elected officials - have stepped on a local investigation and made it an issue of race. Members of Congress. CONGRESS! Declared this man guilty by their actions without trial. Our president, a man who had no business commenting on this case at all, made comments about race. We as a nation should be ashamed. As an American, as a voter, as a Catholic and as a man, I am ashamed. Even I got pulled into the anger and the hate here, just from what it turns people into.

Shame on us all.

So do you follow every white guy who enters a movie theater or place of worship? It is about racial profiling for all the reasons I have already mentioned and it’s WRONG. There must have been hundreds of young black males in that city and at least a handful in that complex. You don’t shoot first and ask questions later to protect THINGS.

 

[seekerz]

Being beaten to death by a 17 year old football player. He wasn’t a “kid” by any stretch of the imagination. Mentally, perhaps, and that flawed thinking was demonstrated when he decided to pursue and confront Zimmerman when he could have just gone home. But physically, he was probably more of a man than the overweight and middle aged Zimmerman.

Then the “overweight and middle aged Zimmerman” should have sat at home on his couch watching TV and minding his own business. Being physically unable to hold your own against a kid, DOES NOT give you the right to shoot him. That’s like throwing sand in your opponent’s eyes because he’s whupping your _ _ _ _!

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Then the “overweight and middle aged Zimmerman” should have sat at home on his couch watching TV and minding his own business. Being physically unable to hold your own against a kid, DOES NOT give you the right to shoot him. That’s like throwing sand in your opponent’s eyes because he’s whupping your _ _ _ _!

If someone is beating my head against the ground with no sign of stopping despite my pleas for help and I have a gun, I am shooting him, plain and simple.

 

[seekerz]

If someone is beating my head against the ground with no sign of stopping despite my pleas for help and I have a gun, I am shooting him, plain and simple.

IF you were in that position you might be justified - then again, we don’t know that Zimmerman was. We only know the story he is telling and we don’t know if it will be disproven in court by the available evidence.

 

[TheDoors]

So if there were a rash of kidnappings, and wittnesses all reported a middle-aged, white man with a beard and brown hair driving a white cargo van on your block, would you feel justified about pulling your kids away from a white, bearded, middle-aged man in a white cargo van? Or would that be racial profiling?

Or is that ok, because he’s white? Your arguement is nonsense. You’ve plainly downed the kool-aide, and I think I’m done with this thread.

Pax.

 

[kelvinf]

Being beaten to death by a 17 year old football player. He wasn’t a “kid” by any stretch of the imagination. Mentally, perhaps, and that flawed thinking was demonstrated when he decided to pursue and confront Zimmerman when he could have just gone home. But physically, he was probably more of a man than the overweight and middle aged Zimmerman.

He was a teenager(!) and because he played football up to age 14 doesn’t make him powerful! Him being able to beat a 28-year-old male, who seems to have the strength only to fight for the gun and shoot, doesn’t make any sense.

 

[SamH]

He was a teenager(!) and because he played football up to age 14 doesn’t make him powerful! Him being able to beat a 28-year-old male, who seems to have the strength only to fight for the gun and shoot, doesn’t make any sense.

You don’t know much about teenagers do you?