'Stand Your Ground' hearing could potentially clear Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin shooting

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kelvinf said:
And from what we know, Zimmerman only sustained minor injuries which do not match his claims. This is something the investigator was finding hard to understand.
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Zimmerman claimed he was hit in the nose, he sustained what the police described as a broken nose.

Zimmerman claimed his head was slammed into the sidewalk repeatedly, he sustained multiple lacerations to the back of his head.

The claims are public record. The injuries are as well.

Please be honest. His injuries DO match his claims.
 
kelvinf said:
A lot of people are ignoring that, their kid could equally have been a victim of a Zimmerman and I am not sure to they would accept that, their unarmed kid, committing no crime, was killed by a Zimmerman.
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Assault and battery is a crime.
 
vz71 said:
Zimmerman claimed he was hit in the nose, he sustained what the police described as a broken nose.
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You have constantly been making that claim without providing the source. Source???
Zimmerman claimed his head was slammed into the sidewalk repeatedly, he sustained multiple lacerations to the back of his head.
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“Bleeding tenderness to his nose, and a small laceration to the back of his head. All injuries have minor bleeding,” paramedic.(!)
Please be honest. His injuries DO match his claims.
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Ohh please.
 
kelvinf said:
You have constantly been making that claim without providing the source. Source???

“Bleeding tenderness to his nose, and a small laceration to the back of his head. All injuries have minor bleeding,” paramedic.(!)

Ohh please.
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:rotfl:

Given that you already have found a credible source for the injuries and the matchup to Zimmerman’s claims, I am not going to bother sourcing.
 
vz71 said:
:rotfl:

Given that you already have found a credible source for the injuries and the matchup to Zimmerman’s claims, I am not going to bother sourcing.
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No, provide the source of this:
vz71 said:
Zimmerman claimed he was hit in the nose, he sustained what the police described as a broken nose.
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Source?

And I have posted this millions of times, cuz you are the only one who seems to think otherwise:
Sanford Police Det. Chris Serino told Zimmerman in a series of interviews that day that he was a “good guy,” but that there were holes in his story, including minor injuries that did not match the beating he said he received at the hands of a “child” who carried candy.
 
vz71 said:
Zimmerman claimed he was hit in the nose, he sustained what the police described as a broken nose.

Zimmerman claimed his head was slammed into the sidewalk repeatedly, he sustained multiple lacerations to the back of his head.

The claims are public record. The injuries are as well.

Please be honest. His injuries DO match his claims.
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No you be honest, when was the last time you went to the police to have a medical examination?
 
seekerz said:
It that is so in every circumstance, then Zimmerman is already guilty by your standards: he admits to shooting a child.
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HE admits to shooting what he thought was another adult male (and he was in all relevant physical aspects) who was, in Zimmerman’s opinion, trying to kill him. Zimmerman has never denied shooting Martin.

And if you are speaking of the jurisprudence definition of “guilt”, no, he isn’t guilty of anything, yet. If his “Stand Your Ground” motion fails, then he still has a jury trial, and the prosecution then has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he shot Treyvon Martin with malicious intent (the standard for second degree murder).
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
HE admits to shooting what he thought was another adult male (and he was in all relevant physical aspects) who was, in Zimmerman’s opinion, trying to kill him. Zimmerman has never denied shooting Martin.

And if you are speaking of the jurisprudence definition of “guilt”, no, he isn’t guilty of anything, yet. If his “Stand Your Ground” motion fails, then he still has a jury trial, and the prosecution then has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he shot Treyvon Martin with malicious intent (the standard for second degree murder).
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I’m simply saying that he does not give Martin the benefit of self defense, thus disqualifying Zimmerman from using the same. Malicious intent, IMO, can be easily inferred from Zimmerman’s statements about the people he refers to as (?) goons.

Oh and just so you know, Zimmerman in his call clearly assessed Martin as being in his ‘late teens’ - not as an adult male. Zimmerman even refers to Martin as a “kid” later in that same transcript - thus nullifying a repeated claim on this forum that “child” is not an appropriate description of Martin.
 
seekerz said:
I’m simply saying that he does not give Martin the benefit of self defense, thus disqualifying Zimmerman from using the same. Malicious intent, IMO, can be easily inferred from Zimmerman’s statements about the people he refers to as (?) goons.

Oh and just so you know, Zimmerman in his call clearly assessed Martin as being in his ‘late teens’ - not as an adult male. Zimmerman even refers to Martin as a “kid” later in that same transcript - thus nullifying a repeated claim on this forum that “child” is not an appropriate description of Martin.
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The reference to anyone as “goons” was disproven a while ago. On the tape in question, he says “It’s (explicative) cold.” Even NBC says it.
 
seekerz said:
No you be honest, when was the last time you went to the police to have a medical examination?
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It matters not when I have or have not seeked medical attention from anyone.:confused:

What matters is what the police as well as the witness, the EMT’s, and Zimmerman himself have to say.

And all of their testimony as well as the physical evidence tell us enough to know Zimmerman was defending himself.
 
vz71 said:
It matters not when I have or have not seeked medical attention from anyone.:confused:

What matters is what the police as well as the witness, the EMT’s, and Zimmerman himself have to say.

And all of their testimony as well as the physical evidence tell us enough to know Zimmerman was defending himself.
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So if you meet me on a corner on a dark night with an apparently broken nose and some bruises, that would be accepted as evidence that I was defending myself?
 
seekerz said:
So if you meet me on a corner on a dark night with an apparently broken nose and some bruises, that would be accepted as evidence that I was defending myself?
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No. You made mention of having fought back. Which would have been self defense.

You may have just taken a beating from persons unknown.
 
vz71 said:
No. You made mention of having fought back. Which would have been self defense.

You may have just taken a beating from persons unknown.
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Isn’t it possible that even with my injuries, I could have beat someone up in a fight? Remember, you haven’t seen the other person - they could look worse off than me, they could even be dead…
 
seekerz said:
What do you think a synonym is? Another word for the SAME thing.
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If it did, you would have used the same word.

The entire case against Zimmerman has been driven by misplaced emotion.
And to a great degree, that can be illustrated by the subtle change of vocabulary that you claim to be the same.

‘Child’ evokes an emotional response that is not there with other words, or even the words used by Zimmerman himself.

As I said, synonym, perhaps.
The same, no.
 
seekerz said:
Isn’t it possible that even with my injuries, I could have beat someone up in a fight? Remember, you haven’t seen the other person - they could look worse off than me, they could even be dead…
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Yes, it is entirely possible.
But I choose not to make a judgement without knowing all of the facts.

Your hypothetical lacks the facts necessary to make a judgement.
 
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