Star Wars Vs. Star Trek

[Dr.Colossus]

Bobby Jim:

What about the big-budget musical version, “Stop the Planet of the Apes, I Want To Get Off”, starring Troy McClure?

“I love legitimate theatre” - Homer Simpson

 

[tee_eff_em]

UnworthySoul:

Hahahaha

Scenario to play with:

Spock tries that silly neck pinch on Vader. Can’t get close enough to touch Vader though as he’s already off his feet in the air being choked by our boy Darth V.

Tribbles. Eaten as snacks by Wookies. The end.

Borg cube comes flying along but makes the mistake of getting in the path of the Death Star. Somewhere in the depths of the Death Star are heard the words, “You may fire when ready.” Poof. No more Borg.

Deathstar destruction: Forget flying around little fighters, aiming at the big red vulnerable “push-here-to-destroy” button. Scotty punches coordinates into the transporter to place a photon torpedo surgical strike in the DS core.

Phasers vs Lightsabres: Okay, a lightsabre can be used to deflect blaster hits, but lets see one maintain deflection of a continuous phaser beam.

Darth Vader: Transporter picks him up, and beams him back into deap space, widest possible dispersion. Transporter rocks, baby. (Face it: Star Wars has this great ““force”” that flows through everything, has the power to cloud men’s minds, and strangle people at a distance. And they use it to make…swords!?)

Yoda: “Backwards he speaks.”
Kirk: *“Deliberately…he

…speaks.”​

*Spock: “Fascinating.”

C3PO: “I’ve got a bad feeling about this.”
Bones: “I’ve got a bad feeling about this.”
(okay: tie)

Obi-wan: “Use the force, Luke.”
Spock: “Use the targeting computer, Luke. Advanced technology developed to hit tiny objects – That’s what it’s there for.”



tee

 

[Dr.Colossus]

Well, I’m afraid I must respond to these allegations.

Deathstar destruction: Forget flying around little fighters, aiming at the big red vulnerable “push-here-to-destroy” button. Scotty punches coordinates into the transporter to place a photon torpedo surgical strike in the DS core.

The Death Star was ray (i.e. energy) shielded. Transporters don’t work through shields.

**

Phasers vs Lightsabres:

Okay, a lightsabre can be used to deflect blaster hits, but lets see one maintain deflection of a continuous phaser beam.**If it can deflect a short bolt, why not a long one? The Jedi would simply have to hold it in one position, and as long as the enemy was still holding the fire button, they’d be on the receiving end of the deflected beam.

Darth Vader: Transporter picks him up, and beams him back into deap space, widest possible dispersion. Transporter rocks, baby.

Again, shields. All capital-class ships in the Imperial Starfleet have shields, as does Vader’s personal fighter.

Face it: Star Wars has this great ““force”” that flows through everything, has the power to cloud men’s minds, and strangle people at a distance. And they use it to make…swords!?

Jedi would be too quick to fight each other with blasters, and one Jedi with a blaster wouldn’t do much against a Jedi with a lightsaber. Two lightsabers (or more ) are the only way to go.

Yoda:

“Backwards he speaks.”

Kirk: “Deliberately…he

…speaks.”​

​

*Yoda: “War does not make one great.”, “Do or do not, there is no try”, “Anger, fear, aggression, the Dark Side are they.”

Kirk: “KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNN!!!”

 

[tee_eff_em]

Colossus, I got two words for you:

Jar
Jar
Binks

The defense rests.
tee

(But “seriously” folks: and Star Wars**Star Trek )

 

[ShroudMan]

Deeer thinking and socially conscious messages?

Star TREK wins hands down (and I’m a BIG Star Wars fan who doesnt allow the “Force” to cloud my objectivity)

 

[pnewton]

Star Trek, hands down.

Greater longevity. More total time of film. More books. More in every category. The only thing Star Wars has on Star Trek is a better producer and cinematography. Most of the Star War movies are better than most of Star Trek as far as special effects and acting go.

The whole Star Wars storyline is lame. A galaxy far, far away? I relate much better to the historical/futuristic line of Trek that actually invlolves humans and Earth.

 

[MEP]

The first Star Wars trilogy is clearly the winner. Star Trek was always kind of silly really. I like the original series, but for comedic value more than anything else. The other Star Trek shows were pretty sad. Enterprise had potential, but it was sadly wasted very early in the series. They couldn’t even get through a single season without resorting to time travel storylines. That’s just pathetic.

Honestly though, neither hold a candle to Firefly or Babylon 5. Too bad Firefly was cancelled by the idiots at Fox who couldn’t see the goldmine they were sitting on. And too bad that somebody got the bright idea to make more episodes of Babylon 5 after the first 5 seasons concluded (thereby concluding the story as it was originally envisioned). The sixth season was just tragically bad. Don’t even get me started on the spinoff series (ugh). But at least everything in the first five years of Babylon 5 was good, brilliant at times, better than any Trek show could ever hope to be.

Star Trek was just the same story told every week… again and again and again. And the whole “universe” of the Star Trek storylines is so corny and obviously fake. I’m blown away that anyone could take it seriously. At least Star Wars didn’t have any pretenses about what it really was, a scifi popcorn movie intended to entertain with good story, great characters and just enough fantasy to make it feel more alive.

The only word that consistently enters my mind when I watch Star Trek is “plastic”. It’s so synthetic and boring, filled with tired old archetypical characters and tired old worn out plotlines that were mostly stolen from old westerns (all of which were better than Star Trek).

It’s also too bad that George Lucas had to destroy his accidental masterpiece by (over)producing the prequel trilogy and basically making a mockery of his own greatest work.

I highly recommend that fans of good scifi (and even people who don’t always like scifi) check out Firefly on DVD. Fox made a huge mistake cancelling it. Brilliant morality play in space with a fantastic cast of characters. It’s not always clear cut who is good and bad, just like real life sometimes. But in the end, it always manages to be about heroism and making the right choices. The characters are flawed, but when presented with choices, they generally make the right ones, even at a high cost. It’s a human story and not just a special effects techno-gadgetry whizbang spectacle.

That’s what the first 3 Star Wars were… human. Star Trek could never fully claim that, it was always too poorly written to feel emotional or human in any way. And the last 3 Star Wars movies were even further from that goal proving once and for all that Lucas is a lousy director and that he was saved from himself in the first three movies by all the other people who were involved.

Sorry George, but Joss Whedon is my master now.

And Firefly has got loads of fantastically good humor too (another trait of Joss Whedon, responsible for Buffy The Vampire Slayer and script writer for Toy Story as well). I think it may just be my new favorite scifi TV series. I only wish there were more than the movie coming soon to keep it going. I hope Serenity lives up to the high standard set in Firefly.

 

[puzzleannie]

let’s see, one has Harrison Ford, the other has William Shatner, like, duh

 

[Bulldog]

Good vs. Evil = Star Wars
Utopia b/c Aliens came to visit Earth (so man over came sin and live in harmony) = Star Trek

and the winnnerrrrr … Star Wars

 

[Peace-bwu]

I couldn’t vote because I like them both equally for different reasons! When I was a little kid I liked Star Wars better because the characters are more kid friendly, but the interpersonal dynamics between Star Trek characters are more refined and complicated and it deals with more of a variety of moral/social issues. Star Wars follows a set theme, Star Trek movies and tv shows employ many different themes, the dialogue goes more in depth, and the stories are more complex. At the end of the day, it is a toss up for me. Right now I enjoy watching Star Wars with my kids so that is fun, but when I was a teenager I loved watching Star Trek with my dad.

We need the option of voting for “They are both equally great! How can I choose?”

 

[Peace-bwu]

puzzleannie:

let’s see, one has Harrison Ford, the other has William Shatner, like, duh

Ok… if that is the criteria… Harrison Ford, no contest! :yup:

 

[Peace-bwu]

Ok, with Star Trek, fans have the option to learn a whole new language. Klingon.

Wookie isn’t hard to learn. My husband speaks it well… but, as far as I know, only Han Solo and Yoda could translate for me…

Apparently everyone in Star Wars understands the language of an R2 unit. But very few understand Wookie. This is sad, but I guess it must be due to the dwindling wookie population (as we saw in episode three) compared to the fact that everyone uses R2 units in their everyday life.

 

[Peace-bwu]

Deathstar destruction: Forget flying around little fighters, aiming at the big red vulnerable “push-here-to-destroy” button. Scotty punches coordinates into the transporter to place a photon torpedo surgical strike in the DS core.

Phasers vs Lightsabres: Okay, a lightsabre can be used to deflect blaster hits, but lets see one maintain deflection of a continuous phaser beam.

Darth Vader: Transporter picks him up, and beams him back into deap space, widest possible dispersion. Transporter rocks, baby. (Face it: Star Wars has this great ““force”” that flows through everything, has the power to cloud men’s minds, and strangle people at a distance. And they use it to make…swords!?)

Yoda: “Backwards he speaks.”

Kirk: *“Deliberately…he

…speaks.”​

*Spock: “Fascinating.”

C3PO: “I’ve got a bad feeling about this.”
Bones: “I’ve got a bad feeling about this.”
(okay: tie)

Obi-wan: “Use the force, Luke.”
Spock: “Use the targeting computer, Luke. Advanced technology developed to hit tiny objects – That’s what it’s there for.”



tee

I am enjoying this measuring contest. But, I feel I have nothing more to say than:

“Beam me up Scotty. There’s no intelligent life down here.”

Of course, I mean to say very slowly and with… much… deliberate… pain in my … voice…like I am thinking really hard. a bit monotone… but it’s used to show what a '… great… actor I am.

 

[Hospitaller]

Peace-bwu:

Ok, with Star Trek, fans have the option to learn a whole new language. Klingon.

With Star Wars, fans have the option to learn a whole new language: Mando’a, the tongue of the Mandalorians.

*Wars *over *Trek *any day. Down with the neo-commy Feds and up with the Mandalorians!!

 

[Christus_Rex]

Palpatine is Senator for Naboo. He then becomes Supreme Chancellor of the Republic after Queen Amidala’s call for a vote of no confidence in Supreme Chancellor Valorum (Ep. 1). When the Seperatists break from the Republic, SC Palpatine uses special powers the Senate give him to create the Clone Army (Ep. 2). As the Clone Wars are ending, SC holds a meeting of the Senate where he states that the Republic is going to be reorganised as the Galactic Empire. He then becomes Emperor Palpatine (Ep. 3).

qmvsimp:

Pardon me, but I’m a little confused here. Is Palpatane the Chancellor/Emperor?

Michael

PS. I think Star Wars is better, though I did enjoy Star Trek:Voyager

 

[qmvsimp]

Christus Rex:

Palpatine is Senator for Naboo. He then becomes Supreme Chancellor of the Republic after Queen Amidala’s call for a vote of no confidence in Supreme Chancellor Valorum (Ep. 1). When the Seperatists break from the Republic, SC Palpatine uses special powers the Senate give him to create the Clone Army (Ep. 2). As the Clone Wars are ending, SC holds a meeting of the Senate where he states that the Republic is going to be reorganised as the Galactic Empire. He then becomes Emperor Palpatine (Ep. 3).

Michael

PS. I think Star Wars is better, though I did enjoy Star Trek:Voyager

Thanks for the info. When I first left that message (in May) I was confused. Now that I’ve seen Episode III three times, I understand it all.

 

[qmvsimp]

MEP:

The other Star Trek shows were pretty sad. Enterprise had potential, but it was sadly wasted very early in the series. They couldn’t even get through a single season without resorting to time travel storylines. That’s just pathetic.

Yea, the time travel stories bother me, but so does travel faster than the speed of light. Both are impossible (at least time travel to the past), but if you can overcome that, then I do enjoy the fiction.

MEP:

Too bad Firefly was cancelled by the idiots at Fox who couldn’t see the goldmine they were sitting on. … But at least everything in the first five years of Babylon 5 was good, brilliant at times, better than any Trek show could ever hope to be.

I just couldn’t get into either of them. While it’s an opinion that you say they’re better, the market dictated that that is not the case. Those idiots at Fox have to go with the show that makes a profit, not with the better story line. This is capitalism, in case you didn’t understand why they canceled it.

MEP:

Star Trek was just the same story told every week… again and again and again. And the whole “universe” of the Star Trek storylines is so corny and obviously fake.

I’m not sure what Star Trek series you’re talking about, but you must be watching something different than what I’ve seen. The same story? How about alternate universe, Zefron Cochran, Tribbles, Gorn, cloud dwellers, The Cage, etc. These were all different stories. Obviously fake? Well sure. Isn’t all SciFi obviously fake? You think finding people on other worlds, time travel, speed faster than light, etc. is not obviously fake?

MEP:

The only word that consistently enters my mind when I watch Star Trek is “plastic”. It’s so synthetic and boring, filled with tired old archetypical characters and tired old worn out plotlines that were mostly stolen from old westerns (all of which were better than Star Trek).

Really? I don’t remember alternative universes, time travel or light speed in any westerns I’ve seen. As for plotlines, you could say that about any movie or series. They’ve all been used before in one form or another.

MEP:

It’s also too bad that George Lucas had to destroy his accidental masterpiece by (over)producing the prequel trilogy and basically making a mockery of his own greatest work.

Are you kidding me? While most of us Star Wars fans enjoy the story lines, we LOVE the special effects. Lucas was able to keep the story line intact, while at the same time bringing the special effects in line with the new millenium. Way to go Lucas!

MEP:

I highly recommend that fans of good scifi (and even people who don’t always like scifi) check out Firefly on DVD. Fox made a huge mistake cancelling it. Brilliant morality play in space with a fantastic cast of characters. It’s not always clear cut who is good and bad, just like real life sometimes. But in the end, it always manages to be about heroism and making the right choices. The characters are flawed, but when presented with choices, they generally make the right ones, even at a high cost. It’s a human story and not just a special effects techno-gadgetry whizbang spectacle.

Ok, I’ll check it out sometime to see what I’ve been missing.

MEP:

That’s what the first 3 Star Wars were… human.

Yea, C3PO, Chewbaaka, R2D2, Yoda, they’re all so human.

MEP:

Star Trek could never fully claim that, it was always too poorly written to feel emotional or human in any way.

City on the Edge of Forever, Spock’s death, Tasha’s death, Data’s death: I cried for all of these. If you follow the series, I don’t see how you can say these weren’t emotional or human in any way.

MEP:

And the last 3 Star Wars movies were even further from that goal proving once and for all that Lucas is a lousy director and that he was saved from himself in the first three movies by all the other people who were involved.

The love and interaction between Anakin and the Princess belie your claim. And Lucas a lousy director? What are you talking about? He has produced some of the highest grossing films of all time. That shows that lots of people love to see his movies. They vote with their wallet. If you think he’s lousy, it’s clear that that is a small minority opinion.

MEP:

Sorry George, but Joss Whedon is my master now.

And Firefly has got loads of fantastically good humor too (another trait of Joss Whedon, responsible for Buffy The Vampire Slayer and script writer for Toy Story as well). I think it may just be my new favorite scifi TV series. I only wish there were more than the movie coming soon to keep it going. I hope Serenity lives up to the high standard set in Firefly.

I’ll check out some of his stuff, but I have seen Buffy before. Now there’s a show with lots of emotion and humanity. (NOT)

 

[Hospitaller]

Deathstar destruction: Forget flying around little fighters, aiming at the big red vulnerable “push-here-to-destroy” button. Scotty punches coordinates into the transporter to place a photon torpedo surgical strike in the DS core.

But is thwarted by the planetary shield. Kirk beams down with an away-team to blow up the facility but is instantly spotted by biker Scouts and subsequently set upon and slaughtered by Stormtroopers

Phasers vs Lightsabres: Okay, a lightsabre can be used to deflect blaster hits, but lets see one maintain deflection of a continuous phaser beam.

If it can deflect a packet of coherent energy that carries actual kinetic force, how is a little laser beam going to prove much of a challenge?

Darth Vader: Transporter picks him up, and beams him back into deap space, widest possible dispersion. Transporter rocks, baby. (Face it: Star Wars has this great ““force”” that flows through everything, has the power to cloud men’s minds, and strangle people at a distance. And they use it to make…swords!?)

Admiral Piett

“Shields up!”

End of problem.

Seriously, considering the fact that Boba Fett’s dimunitive *Slave I *packs more firepower than the Enterprise E, any engagement between *Star Wars *and *Star Trek *forces would go down rather badly for the Feds, or the Klingons, or the Cardassians, or the Borg, or the Romulans, or especially the Jem Ha’dar, or…

 

[MEP]

qmvsimp:

While it’s an opinion that you say they’re better, the market dictated that that is not the case. Those idiots at Fox have to go with the show that makes a profit, not with the better story line. This is capitalism, in case you didn’t understand why they canceled it.

Ummm… no. Firefly was successful. Firefly had a huge fan base. Firefly made money. The Fox execs were morons. They failed to properly support the show from the moment they decided not to air the pilot. The show was too high concept for them to understand. It had universal appeal, and it got respectable ratings when you consider that it was constantly pre-empted for sports coverage and moved to different nights. If this show had network support, it would’ve survived and thrived. Remember that Fox cancelled Buffy after the first season only to see it go on to huge success on another network. Fox is run by idiots. The proof can be found in Firefly, Buffy, Futurama, Brimstone and a whole host of aborted projects that had a future (while really mind-numbing garbage like Millenium was allowed to run for five seasons in spite of constantly slipping ratings). When Serenity makes money at the box office (which is almost assured at this point), it will just be further proof that Firefly could’ve gone on to better things if given the chance.

Are you kidding me? While most of us Star Wars fans enjoy the story lines, we LOVE the special effects.

You must be young. I don’t know a single Star Wars fan who would agree with that statement.

Yea, C3PO, Chewbaaka, R2D2, Yoda, they’re all so human.

The stories were human, not the characters. That means the stories focused more on the characters and their growth than they did on the continually unfolding plot or the boring cultural examinations that are littered throughout Trek.

City on the Edge of Forever, Spock’s death, Tasha’s death, Data’s death: I cried for all of these. If you follow the series, I don’t see how you can say these weren’t emotional or human in any way.

I laughed when Data died. (sidenote, the actor who played Data is now a regular character on the new Battlestar Galactica series, also superior to Trek in every way) Didn’t feel a thing for any of the others. When archetypes die, no one cares because they’re not really great characters. Star Trek always kills off the archetypes. I haven’t found too many real characters in Trek.

The love and interaction between Anakin and the Princess belie your claim. And Lucas a lousy director? What are you talking about? He has produced some of the highest grossing films of all time. That shows that lots of people love to see his movies. They vote with their wallet. If you think he’s lousy, it’s clear that that is a small minority opinion.

You were obviously watching a different movie. Love between Anakin and Padme? All I saw was wooden acting and lazy directing (oh look, another shot of Padme staring out a window, like Peter Jackson didn’t already kill this storytelling device in the first LOTR (which was still a good movie despite it’s flaws)). Highest grossing films are not necessarily good. Case in point, Pearl Harbor which was one of the worst WWII movies ever made. Just because the maddening throng likes something doesn’t make it genius. Think about how popular the Jerry Springer show is. Remember how many seasons Married With Children ran? Is anybody else amazed that Gone in 60 Seconds lasted more than one week in the theaters (worst chase scenes ever filmed)? The lowest common denominator wins in popular media. The prequel trilogy for Star Wars is an excellent example of this principle at work.

I’ll check out some of his stuff, but I have seen Buffy before. Now there’s a show with lots of emotion and humanity. (NOT)

What Buffy had was humor. It wasn’t afraid to mock itself (mercilessly). It was well-written (for teenage drama) and bitingly sarcastic. But not really typical of what you see in Firefly which is much more grown up (though the humor still tends towards Whedon’s work in Toy Story). I’m so tired of stately boring sterile scifi (like Star Trek where space is always so clean, those uniforms are so stupid looking and nobody has blemishes on their face unless they’re an alien or evil). Plastic, plastic, plastic. It’s like Disneyland before it started to get run down (but just). The only good thing about Star Trek, was William Shatner, and that’s just because he makes me laugh. There’s never any dirt on the Enterprise. Doesn’t anybody ever spill coffee in the future or have they fixed that somehow? It’s like watching a bunch of robots. I couldn’t really tell the difference between Data and Cpt. Pickard except for the hair. Nothing human about any of those characters… they were all too archetypical to get attached to, just hollow shells of personality and not real people.

 

[MEP]

Star Trek Writer #1: You know what I’m really tired of?

Star Trek Writer #2: What’s that?

STW1: I’m really tired of stories that take place in space or on other planets.

STW2: That really sucks seeing as you work on Star Trek.

STW1: Yeah, but I have a solution I think.

STW2: Get another job?

STW1: And actually have to be creative? Are you mad? You must be new here. I was just going to write a holodeck story. Maybe something that takes place in Elizabethan England or maybe Data could become Robin Hood.

STW2: You are so lazy. I can’t believe you actually expect to get away with that.

STW1: This is Star Trek we’re talking about. I doubt anyone will even notice. It’s one of the perks of working here.