Statue of ancient god of child sacrifice Moloch, put on display in Rome

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Feanor2 . . . .
So how and what should the Church do about secular exhibits featuring names/images of pagan gods?
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Did you read the Scripture recomendation I gave?

(Here it is again.)

Why not read that and answer your own question here?
 
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Feanor2 . . . .
So how and what should the Church do about secular exhibits featuring names/images of pagan gods?
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No, that’s not sufficient.

I asked what the Church should do. What actions should the Pope or Bishops be taking?

For instance- should Apollo be taken out of the Vatican?
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And I gave you a Biblical blueprint to follow. But you won’t.

You called it “insufficient”.
 
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And I gave you a Biblical blueprint to follow. But you won’t.

You called it “insufficient”.
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I don’t follow biblical blueprints.

I want to know what concrete actions you feel the Pope or Bishops should be making.
 
As I keep repeating, This is the demon of abortion, the modern day child sacrifice.

Exorcists tell us this is the demon of abortion.

And yet, if the Virgin Mary really gave the oil to St Thomas, what happened that the country is no longer Catholic.
That is a great question.

You have entirely missed the point of that example.

However, it raises bigger questions. Either the oil is a fake and this was always a fraudulent ceremony and as such similar to any other ruler annointing, consecrating deification ceremony

Or

the oil was truly given by Our Lady and England took a turn very opposed to who and what the Virgin represents. I know you are not Catholic, but for some Catholics, especially those with a great devotion to Our Lady, this is something to discern.
 
Again you miss my point.
Have a nice day.
To belabour this further is going off the topic of the demon of abortions and his image installed on ground Christians were horrifically martyred.
 
Feanor2 . . .
I want to hear your opinions
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Sure you do.

(My “opinion” is just what is in the Scriptures
that I already referred you to.
You will either will be “interested” enough to read and pray over that. Or you won’t.)
 
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Yes. I think the devil, flesh and the world come into play on all forms of idolatry.
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And idolatry refers to a substitution: “Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God”. Now that substitution does not happen when we incense icons and the people during the Divine Liturgy for then it is veneration not adoration.

Catechism
2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, "You cannot serve God and mammon."44 Many martyrs died for not adoring "the Beast"45 refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God.46
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I don’t suggest anything, If I want to say it, I will say it. Quite simple. You yourself have made several biased assumptions rather then stopping to engage in discourse. Par for the course .

Do not assume I suggest demonic activities are going on in English Coronations. My comments again, which you have again sorely missed, are in relation to what Vico has stated about humans in exalted human positions.
 
Vico.

Why are you posting what you are posting, about a moloch idol?

Are you referring also to the pachamama debacle too?

What is your point?

I don’t think I am understanding what you are trying to say here.

I talked about the influences of the devil, the flesh, and the world.

I related it to idolatry (all three - the devil, flesh, snd the world - can be related to other sins too).

You replied to me . . .
And idolatry refers to a substitution: “Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God”. Now
that substitution does not happen when we incense icons and the people
during the Divine Liturgy
for then it is veneration not adoration.
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Bold mine.

The bold part was a curious addition to what you said.

We don’t commit idolatry when we incense icons or people during the Latin Liturgy either.

So WHY bring that up? I nor anyone else here has suggested incensing icons is idolatrous.
 
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Vico.

Why are you posting what you are posting, about a moloch idol?

Are you referring also to the pachamama debacle too?

What is your point?

I don’t think I am understanding what you are trying to say here.

I talked about the influences of the devil, the flesh, and the world.

I related it to idolatry (all three - the devil, flesh, snd the world - can be related to other sins too).

You replied to me . . .
And idolatry refers to a substitution: “Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God”. Now
that substitution does not happen when we incense icons and the people
during the Divine Liturgy
for then it is veneration not adoration.
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I have only made six posts so far in this thread and that stem from GiftofMercy comment: “There are more false gods than demons per St. Thomas Aquinas”. I made no mention of any particular idol or event. The distinction of veneration vs adoration is to highlight Catechism 2113 stating “martyrs died for not adoring “the Beast””.

But the thread questions the display which is part of te Colosseum restoration project which is a public-private venture with Tod’s and the Italian government.

The movie prop to represent a Moloch idol, on display at the Colosseum and Roman Forum, was used in the 1914 film Cabiria on loan for the exhibition entitled Carthago. The immortal myth, on show from 27 September until 29 March 2020. The theme is the historic ties between ancient Rome and Carthage and the annihilation of it by the Roman Empire and includes more than 400 artifacts. Note that separate from this temporary exhibit, there is a museum there dedicated to Eros located in the upper floor.
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Still not seeing why having an idol (irrespective of what the idol is based upon. Movie prop. Archeology. Liturature description. Or anything else.) in (at) the colosseum is appropriate.

I guess we will have to disagree on that.

(I also would not have the museum there either. But nobody from Italy asked me.)
 
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Still not seeing why having an idol (irrespective of what the idol is based upon. Movie prop. Archeology. Liturature description. Or anything else.) in (at) the colosseum is appropriate.

I guess we will have to disagree on that.

(I also would not have the museum there either. But nobody from Italy asked me.)
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I did not make any comment on appropriateness.

The exhibition is full of artifacts and other display can make money through tourism, and also shows the total destruction of Carthage by the Romans. Other examples of destruction: the destruction of the Canaanites under Moses and Joshua (Numbers 21:2-3, Deuteronomy 20:17, Joshua 6:17, 21) and the Amalekites annihilated by Saul (1 Samuel 15).

The Colosseum and Roman Forum is owned by Italy and the restoration of it is almost entirely funded privately.
 
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Vico . . .
I did not make any comment on appropriateness.
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Fair enough.
The Colosseum and Roman Forum is owned by Italy and the restoration of it is almost entirely funded privately.
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I still think it’s the wrong thing to do.
 
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