Staying free from feminist lies

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Good for you. Don’t fall into the trap. And yeah, JulianN, slavery is immoral, but those who were slaves were supposed to serve their masters wholeheartedly.
 
I’ve honestly heard so many Catholics talk about this but they have hardly give any examples of how this looks like in real life. When asked, they will literally avoid it and say ‘it’s not the point’. Or they basically describe an egalitarian marriage…lol
 
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I hear ya. I just think it’s silly for the terms to mean opposing things.
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I don’t know if they necessarily oppose each other. Masculinist is simply not an established term so naturally people would treat these words as the same. Men’s rights activitists maybe? Although a large portion are self proclaimed misogynists which is why men who actually want to target male issues usually don’t identify with a movement for men specifically.

Many Christians including Catholics have been calling themselves feminists though (pro life, anti contraception etc), in an effort to reclaim it. So that feminist would not be automatically synonymous with certain positions. If someone asked if I was a feminist, I would say yes in the textbook definition, but I don’t align myself with the vocal ones.
 
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I’ve honestly heard so many Catholics talk about this but they have hardly give any examples of how this looks like in real life. When asked, they will literally avoid it and say ‘it’s not the point’. Or they basically describe an egalitarian marriage…lol
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Strangely, someone asked this question nearly a year ago.

I treated this as a serious question and, in a spirit of helpfulness not debate, I prepared a lengthy and careful post giving examples from my own marriage, which could be the basis for further discussion.

See: Post #227 in How Practical is it for Women to be Submissive…

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I saw this question yesterday, and thought it very useful.
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Bearing in mind these caveats, I will give a couple of examples from my own marriage, which I hope can answer Lea’s very good question.
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The baptism of our first child.
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After several years of renting we were looking for a house to buy,
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And, finally, one where I was able to get my way, simply because it involved money which we didn’t have.
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The point is to not go back over these decisions, but to answer Lea’s very good question about examples where paternal authority and submission would apply.
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My post received no serious discussion, and the person who asked the question didn’t even acknowledge it. I had wasted my time.

That person was you.
 
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LumineDiei said:
We’re not talking about how it stands or falls…I’d like to know just how those verses play out in the lives of practicing Catholic husbands and wives.
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I don’t think many Catholics give much care to those verses, or many other passages in Scripture.
 
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I remember asking why Ephesians 5 rather than the various verses recently, though. I can’t remember a practical answers thread recently.

If there is, I probably forgot to revisit it. Threads like thar always get hijacked and locked whenever I want to say something lol
 
Yes. My point is that the Church would not say that today—we are very clear in our teaching that slavery is immoral. And a slave is well within his or her rights to escape, not obey. Biblical commentaries often speak of how the Church interacts with the society it finds, such as the first century.

In that century, and many that followed, wives were seen as less equal, shall we say, than their husbands. Most of us don’t subscribe to those ideas today. But when people suggest that wives are somehow less in authority than their husbands, it’s not surprising that women might think the need for feminism is not yet dead.
 
Honestly every couple will carry it out differently. And the church recognizes that.
 
I hope nobody attacks me on this, but the Church really doesn’t see men and women as equal at all. There’s a hierarchy in place in marriage and the Church where women literally cannot be on the top. So the Church literally supports patriarchy. Perhaps not in the general society though, since we can be leaders and presidents outside.
 
Do you want just one example?

A husband and wife have a baby son. The decision of circumcision comes up. Wife has concerns that it’s painful and not necessary to have done. Father likes the practice, has been circumcised himself, and wishes for his son to be circumcised also.

Both have a preference. Wife gives the decision over to her husband. Husband appreciates his wife’s respect for him to make those decisions where both are in disagreement.
 
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But that’s different. That’s compromising and mutual respect. Sometimes, the situation goes the other direction.
 
But this usually happens in all marriages though. Compromising. Unless you’re saying the husband always makes the decisions?
 
I hear you.

A wife who has to ask permission from her husband on the most mundane things, like what groceries to buy or to even go out of the house, has at best a micromanager for a husband or worst a controlling sociopath for a husband. Either one of the two is not Christlike nor is it being a true leader.
 
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The husband can compromise, but if he does not wish to, the wife has no authority to demand to make the decision.

However, the husband can rely on his authority to make a decision.
 
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Did anyone else acknowledge you? I didn’t start the post so obviously I didn’t revisit it often to read all the posts. Also I wonder what kind of response you wanted. Even now after reading it I have nothing to say. It seems like it works for you and your wife, so that’s good.
 
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