Really. The multiverse theory is way more complex an explanation.
I didn’t say anything about the multiverse theory. I don’t think it’s necessary at all in this context. His statement assumes that there were aspects of this universe that just had to be the way they are, which is an idea I don’t think has any foundation.
**Documented fact: Hitler used Christianity as a platform against the Jewish People. Do not twist what actually happened to use your false version of it as a catalyst for the support of Christianity. **
**Besides, one has to wonder: if you know God exists, why use martydom as proof of God. That is anti-Life and God is the Creator of Life … thus, your argument cancells itself out (which makes sense considering the god Christians worship). **
If God is Truth, why do Christians insist to force Him down the throats of everyone else? Truth doesn’t need to be acknowledged to still be truth. If they (atheists) are living their life, is not this acknowledgment enough? I think mostly that atheists get turned off to even consider their Creator due to those who insist they are going to hell for questioning. Questions are good … it is faith that is bad and hinders positive growth.
Oh puhleeeeeeeeeese!!!**Documented fact: Hitler used Christianity as a platform against the Jewish People. Do not twist what actually happened to use your false version of it as a catalyst for the support of Christianity. **
**Besides, one has to wonder: if you know God exists, why use martydom as proof of God. That is anti-Life and God is the Creator of Life … thus, your argument cancells itself out (which makes sense considering the god Christians worship). **
If God is Truth, why do Christians insist to force Him down the throats of everyone else? Truth doesn’t need to be acknowledged to still be truth. If they (atheists) are living their life, is not this acknowledgment enough? I think mostly that atheists get turned off to even consider their Creator due to those who insist they are going to hell for questioning. Questions are good … it is faith that is bad and hinders positive growth.
I’ve already dealt with the idea that Hitler used Christianity. Let me add, just because he used it doesn’t make him one.
I could say the same thing about Christians. Just because they use the Tanakh, doesn’t make them a part of the Jewish People, the chosen.See how that works?
I wasn’t using anything to prove God exists. I was making comment about what someone wrote in a ‘catchy’ phrase.
I was responding to what I saw written.
BTW, for a Christian, the death of this body only makes it possible to live in a much better place.
What?? In the grave? That makes sense.
As Jesus was raised from the dead, so will all His followers.
Prove it. Prove that Jesus was raised from the dead. I don’t think you can, but I am willing to take notice if you do.
God is the author of life and it is only experienced to its fullest after this life is over.
Did you even think that through before typing it out?
Questioning doesn’t send someone to hell. A sincere questioner will find answers in Christ if they are open.
You mean, if they just believe. Peter Pan’s fairy syndrome in other words. Jesus wasn’t a fairy, ya know … he was a Jewish man and he used the Tanakh to teach out of. Read Ecclesiastes 9:5-6,10 <---- this he knew.
A person isn’t sent to hell; a person chooses hell if they reject Jesus. We may be poor witnesses but you won’t be able to use us as an excuse. God has revealed Himself to you; just open your ‘eyes’.
Hell is for those who believe in it. Good luck! I hope you are 100% sure before you go making the decision on who deserves it and who doesn’t.
I was thinking the same thing about the majority of the posts in this thread. Read John 4:22. That is Jesus saying that the Jews know what they worship … not the Christians.Oh puhleeeeeeeeeese!!!
I wasn’t using anything to prove God exists. I was making comment about what someone wrote in a ‘catchy’ phrase.Dokimas;5792347 said:-
I’ve already dealt with the idea that Hitler used Christianity. Let me add, just because he used it doesn’t make him one.
I could say the same thing about Christians. Just because they use the Tanakh, doesn’t make them a part of the Jewish People, the chosen.
I was responding to what I saw written.
BTW, for a Christian, the death of this body only makes it possible to live in a much better place.
What?? In the grave? That makes sense.
As Jesus was raised from the dead, so will all His followers.
Prove it. Prove that Jesus was raised from the dead. I don’t think you can, but I am willing to take notice if you do.
God is the author of life and it is only experienced to its fullest after this life is over.
Did you even think that through before typing it out?
Questioning doesn’t send someone to hell. A sincere questioner will find answers in Christ if they are open.
You mean, if they just believe. Peter Pan’s fairy syndrom in other words. Jesus wasn’t a fairy, ya know … he was a Jewish man and he used the Tanakh to teach out of. Read Ecclesiastes 9:5-6,10 <---- this he knew.
A person isn’t sent to hell; a person chooses hell if they reject Jesus. We may be poor witnesses but you won’t be able to use us as an excuse. God has revealed Himself to you; just open your ‘eyes’.
Hell is for those who believe in it. Good luck! I hope you are 100% sure before you go making the decision on who deserves it and who doesn’t.
I’m not a Jew. I’ll never be a Jew.
When responding to my comment, didn’t you see the quote I used to make my comment? It was in my post.
Your believe that the grave is the end doesn’t make it so. I don’t believe Heaven into existence and you don’t believe it out of existence.
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Again, you don’t believe hell out of existence as I don’t believe it into existence.
Your Peter Pan comment made no sense to me. Sorry.
You’re definition of extra-ordinary proof is absurd.“Believing Alexander the Great’s army made it to India is different than believing a god-man rose from the dead. Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary proof.”
Actually what I presented to you was extra-ordinary proof. The fact that anyone who spoke up about this in those times was subject to prosecution from both the jews and especially the romans is one part of it. The fact that this info got out at all is extra-ordinary in and of itself, not counting the historical time acurracy of the event, but then again you being a reasoning, rational and unbiased atheists would have eventually brought this up wouldnt you
There is a such thing as objective truth, but you’re no where near it.
I believe Indiana Jones would beg to differ.You don’t need a PhD in a worthless occupation to know it’s worthless
Here is a part of what is written in “Origin of Heathen Mythology”:
I believe Indiana Jones would beg to differ.
Here is a part of what is written in “Origin of Heathen Mythology”:
And chapter 54 “Origin of heathen mythology”…
"But those who hand down the myths which the poets have made, adduce no proof to the youths who learn them; and we proceed to demonstrate that they have been uttered by the influence of the wicked demons, to deceive and lead astray the human race. For having heard it proclaimed through the prophets that the Christ was to come, and that the ungodly among men were to be punished by fire, they put forward many to be called sons of Jupiter , under the impression that they would be able to produce in men the idea that the things which were said with regard to Christ were mere marvellous tales, like the things which were said by the poets. And these things were said both among the Greeks and among all nations where they [the demons] heard the prophets foretelling that Christ would specially be believed in; but that in hearing what was said by the prophets they did not accurately understand it, but imitated what was said of our Christ, like men who are in error, we will make plain." (First Apology, chapter 54)
Commentary: Again, Justin is claiming the Hebrew prophets were first with their prophecies on Christ, the Greeks copied from them, inspired by the devil/demons. Justin also notes no “proof” is offered for the Greek gods, because they were not historical but myth. By contrast, Christianity is a historical religion with a historical Christ and Hebrew prophecies.
“But in no instance, not even in any of those called sons of Jupiter [Zeus], did they imitate the being crucified; for it was not understood by them, all the things said of it having been put symbolically. And this, as the prophet foretold, is the greatest symbol of His power and role; as is also proved by the things which fall under our observation.” (First Apology, chapter 55)
Commentary: Here Justin notes none of the sons of Zeus (which includes Dionysos/Bacchus) were crucified. Dionysos was ripped apart by the Titans, not crucified.
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So St. Justin Martyr believed that the Greeks and the Romans made use of Hebrew scriptures in their own interpretive style, not realizing that the prophecies of the Messiah were meant for one man (God) alone, Jesus Christ.
I don’t even need to explore the soundness of this commentary, since many of the Greek, Egyptian, and Mesopotamian myths these stories parallel are older than the Septuagint (and in some cases Judaism itself).
Well, could it be because there weren’t any Christians at the time, i.e., the resurrection had not yet occurred??? Anyways Jesus was the messiah that the Jews were awaiting for.I was thinking the same thing about the majority of the posts in this thread. Read John 4:22. That is Jesus saying that the Jews know what they worship … not the Christians.
The Osiris/Horus Egyptian “gods” are nothing similar to Jesus Christ, the Mesopotamians were known to change their beliefs and their many Gods (unlike the Jews), and the Greeks likewise (the Jews were around for more than 4000 years before Christ).
Israel, the People is the Messiah. Again, John 4:22 … salvation is of the Jews. That’s what your own NT says. Why don’t you believe Jesus’ own words?
There are some similarities (between Jesus and Osiris) but they are commonly exaggerated. The biggest parallels are between the various life-death-rebirth gods of the mystery religions dating back to Mesopotamia (which also flourished in Egypt and Greece); as I’ve explained repeatedly (and provided a number of links for).
Because your twisting His words, and Jesus was a Jew, the Jewish Messiah to be exact, hence “salvation is of the Jews”.
But I told you Yankee that was based on the seasonal year of planting (life which is connected to spring) and harvesting (death which is connected to fall) and rebirth (spring again next year). This was a continuous cycle not a one time event, therefore, not an actual resurrection. And I already told you the Mesopotamians changed their beliefs a lot (up to and including more than likely assimilating Jewish beliefs). And there are no similarities between Osiris and Jesus, I read the story, there are no comparisons to be made. .