If someone had their previous marriage annulled and then has remarried, there should be no problem with receiving Communion.
I’m pretty sure this is happening all over already…especially in Germany. They were printing pamphlets to distribute to parishes on these changes. I believe it is a case by case basis. I think they are also allowing some protestant spouses that are non Catholics to receive communion.CatholicSooner:
If someone had the previous marriage annulled and then has remarried, there should be no problem with receiving Communion.
However if one is remarried without having an annulment they should not receive Communion. Personally, I don’t think Pope Francis will teach that those who are remarried without an annulment for a previous marriage will be allowed Communion. The Holy Spirit has always guided the Church against teaching error.
So is it that you believe that the Pope is just wrong - that you know better than the Pope what the Church believes and should teach? Or is it that you believe the Pope knows he is wrong, and is deliberately tainting the deposit of faith?
You’ll have to specify in the goals where population control is discussed. I’ve read it through and found nothing of the sort.Emeraldlady:
I didn’t call you a heretic.CatholicSooner:
Here we go. The old “you’re a heretic” charge. It’s so old.Emeraldlady:
I can’t really believe what I’m reading.CatholicSooner:
The goals of the UN especially Agenda 2030 are not opposed to real truth and Catholic faith. Some of the means proposed like abortion are, but not what is trying to be achieved. Pope Francis has kept on stressing that the goals must conform to truly ethical means. Pope John Paul did the same thing when stem cell research got started. He continually stressed the immorality of embryonic stem cell research while acknowledging the ethics of stem cell science in general. The idea that the Church should denounce every human endeavour that isn’t 100% perfect is certainly not a traditional practice of the Church in the world.Emeraldlady:
secular arm of the catholic mission?
I don’t trust their intentions either. They are there to help preserve the world and peace relative to secular views. This is often times opposed to real truth and the Catholic faith.
Appalling acceptance of evil
I said what is in the 2030 is evil…ie the methods of population control.
There is nothing good about population control…even if done without birth control and abortion. There is nothing Christian about it. It is evil and controlling and anti Christian. It is away to control people. Then add in how the UN wants to achieve it and that is evil.
There are millions of us who’ve been Catholic during the 60’s and earlier who saw people leaving the Church because of lack of mercy and care for their human conditions and exclusion based on rules. We can see clearly that the Church has been working on how to be more close to ordinary people and walk with them in life and we actually rejoice that it been granted a way by the light of the holy Spirit, to do that as far as the tragedy of divorce and remarriage without changing doctrine in the least.TMC:
B/c the church is becoming secularized and has been for a long time.CatholicSooner:
So why do you suppose that the Church has endorsed the 2030 Agenda? It seems that the Church has analyzed the issue and come to the opposite conclusion that you have.
It is pretty clear the Pope Francis is OK with allowing some error if it means something he perceives as a good. He is very progressive in church teaching. He seems to rank attracting people and welcoming people over church teaching and truth.
For example, if people are leaving the church b/c they are divorced and remarried, he is going to be lax on this teaching and may allow remarried Catholics to receive common.
He’s had 6 years. While I don’t expect an instant fix the synod desling with it could have been called a lot sooner.
It has nothing to do with my beliefs but with the historical beliefs of the church.CatholicSooner:
So is it that you believe that the Pope is just wrong - that you know better than the Pope what the Church believes and should teach? Or is it that you believe the Pope knows he is wrong, and is deliberately tainting the deposit of faith?
Nothing wrong with being pastoral…as long as it doesn’t go against church teachingCatholicSooner:
There are millions of us who’ve been Catholic during the 60’s and earlier who saw people leaving the Church because of lack of mercy and care for their human conditions and exclusion based on rules. We can see clearly that the Church has been working on how to be more close to ordinary people and walk with them in life and we actually rejoice that it been granted a way by the light of the holy Spirit, to do that as far as the tragedy of divorce and remarriage without changing doctrine in the least.TMC:
B/c the church is becoming secularized and has been for a long time.CatholicSooner:
So why do you suppose that the Church has endorsed the 2030 Agenda? It seems that the Church has analyzed the issue and come to the opposite conclusion that you have.
It is pretty clear the Pope Francis is OK with allowing some error if it means something he perceives as a good. He is very progressive in church teaching. He seems to rank attracting people and welcoming people over church teaching and truth.
For example, if people are leaving the church b/c they are divorced and remarried, he is going to be lax on this teaching and may allow remarried Catholics to receive common.
In fact many don’t know that it has been Joseph Ratzinger who has been one of the frontrunners in keeping the need for a sound pastoral approach to this situation alive for at least 50 years.
https://www.lastampa.it/2014/11/20/...-divorcees-bEbvShs2daN1FNSjVOrgCP/pagina.html
I pray every night for the Pope as well.
You make it sound like he made those priests do bad things 40 or more years ago. Isn’t that how we got into the crisis?
No, but the attitude of the Bishop or Pope knows best allowed the cover ups to last as long as they did.