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CatholicSooner
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Exactly my point. They are human. They make mistakes. They sin.
They should not be put above criticism…especially when they are teaching heresy or leading sheep astray.
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They should not be put above criticism…especially when they are teaching heresy or leading sheep astray.
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CatholicSooner
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Did they stop being his children when he was “elected” pope?CatholicSooner:
As cardinal, not pope.
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CilladeRoma
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No one has said that Priests/Bishops/Cardinals and even the Pope can’t be wrong on some things.
However, there is a very fine line between disagreeing with someone and making an accusation of heresy.
However, there is a very fine line between disagreeing with someone and making an accusation of heresy.
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Jbrady
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Actually, his very first official act as Pope was to declare four of them, including Lucretia and Cesare, his legitimate children. They lived with him in the apostolic palace.
His mistress while he was pope was Giulia Farnese, whose brother, Alessandro, Pope Alexander made a cardinal, and would go on to become Pope Paul III.
Giulia did have a daughter while Alexander was pope, but the father was, officially at least, her husband, Orsino Orsini (from a family that produced several popes and many cardinals), who was a second cousin of Pope Alexander.
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abucs
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I haven’t seen a lot of Steve Bannon but what I’ve seen I have been impressed with.
We could do with more Catholics as passionate and as serious about their faith as Steve
Bannon.
We could do with more Catholics as passionate and as serious about their faith as Steve
Bannon.
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CatholicSooner
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I must be totally misreading many of the posters on this thread then. THey consider Bannon a non catholic for criticizing the Pope’s handling of the sex abuse scandal.
Still waiting for anything else Bannon has done in regards to the Pope or the Church that would warrant the trashing of his name on this forum.
It’s already been proven he is not anti immigration. Nobody seems to want to post all of this terrible rhetoric that Bannon has allegedly said
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Finn
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There’s generally a fairly broad line and clear distinction between disagreeing with someone and accusing them of heresy. Conflating the two just seems like a backhanded attempt to silence dissent.
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CilladeRoma
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I think the problem is Bannon himself and what he says and how he says it.
Much like the many people who dislike Trump because of what they heard or perceive to be true.
I also think part of the problem is his alt-right political rhetoric. There is this tendency, especially now, to say that if someone disagrees with my premise or opinion, they are a hater. We don’t need that kind of division.
Much like the many people who dislike Trump because of what they heard or perceive to be true.
I also think part of the problem is his alt-right political rhetoric. There is this tendency, especially now, to say that if someone disagrees with my premise or opinion, they are a hater. We don’t need that kind of division.
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o_mlly
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Your respect for our Pope is admirable. While our Pope and his office must be respected, we may criticize his pronouncements as do other Vicars of Christ. Pope Francis’ stance on political issues is often based only on the advice he receives. We pray he widen his advisors to include those who dissent.
Cardinal Sarah castigates Francis regime in 'The Power of Silence' - LifeSite
Sarah understands the hard sayings of Jesus Christ and the duty of pastors to also imitate the Master in this when circumstances require it.
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Emeraldlady
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The goals of the UN especially Agenda 2030 are not opposed to real truth and Catholic faith. Some of the means proposed like abortion are, but not what is trying to be achieved. Pope Francis has kept on stressing that the goals must conform to truly ethical means. Pope John Paul did the same thing when stem cell research got started. He continually stressed the immorality of embryonic stem cell research while acknowledging the ethics of stem cell science in general. The idea that the Church should denounce every human endeavour that isn’t 100% perfect is certainly not a traditional practice of the Church in the world.Emeraldlady:
secular arm of the catholic mission?
I don’t trust their intentions either. They are there to help preserve the world and peace relative to secular views. This is often times opposed to real truth and the Catholic faith.
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CatholicSooner
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I can’t really believe what I’m reading.CatholicSooner:
The goals of the UN especially Agenda 2030 are not opposed to real truth and Catholic faith. Some of the means proposed like abortion are, but not what is trying to be achieved. Pope Francis has kept on stressing that the goals must conform to truly ethical means. Pope John Paul did the same thing when stem cell research got started. He continually stressed the immorality of embryonic stem cell research while acknowledging the ethics of stem cell science in general. The idea that the Church should denounce every human endeavour that isn’t 100% perfect is certainly not a traditional practice of the Church in the world.Emeraldlady:
secular arm of the catholic mission?
I don’t trust their intentions either. They are there to help preserve the world and peace relative to secular views. This is often times opposed to real truth and the Catholic faith.
Appalling acceptance of evil
Emeraldlady
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Here we go. The old “you’re a heretic” charge. It’s so old.Emeraldlady:
I can’t really believe what I’m reading.CatholicSooner:
The goals of the UN especially Agenda 2030 are not opposed to real truth and Catholic faith. Some of the means proposed like abortion are, but not what is trying to be achieved. Pope Francis has kept on stressing that the goals must conform to truly ethical means. Pope John Paul did the same thing when stem cell research got started. He continually stressed the immorality of embryonic stem cell research while acknowledging the ethics of stem cell science in general. The idea that the Church should denounce every human endeavour that isn’t 100% perfect is certainly not a traditional practice of the Church in the world.Emeraldlady:
secular arm of the catholic mission?
I don’t trust their intentions either. They are there to help preserve the world and peace relative to secular views. This is often times opposed to real truth and the Catholic faith.
Appalling acceptance of evil
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Jbrady
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Yet armchair anathemizers seem to be multiplying at an incredible rate, and do not shy away from anathemizing the Pope himself.
Emeraldlady
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And ironically they want to identify with Traditionalism when in fact true tradition held the divine protection of a Popes teaching authority is assured by Christ Himself. Without faith in that wonderful guarantee they have essentially embraced Protestantism.Emeraldlady:
Yet armchair anathemizers seem to be multiplying at an incredible rate, and do not shy away from anathemizing the Pope himself.
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kainosktisis
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Antipope…Maybe Antichrist in the making…? 
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PLeeD
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What part of “limit legal immigration” don’t you understand? How is ‘limiting’ legal immigration equal to being ‘against’ immigration? It’s not.
Legal immigration is by definition limited.
Claiming that clip proves Bannon is against legal immigration is a flat out lie. That clip proves the exact opposite!
Legal immigration is by definition limited.
Claiming that clip proves Bannon is against legal immigration is a flat out lie. That clip proves the exact opposite!
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PLeeD
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You need to change the batteries in your hearing aid.o_mlly:
No, I didn’t. I posted a clip, one of many that could have been selected from, to confirm from his own words that he is against both Illegal & Legal Immigration.
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CatholicSooner
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I didn’t call you a heretic.CatholicSooner:
Here we go. The old “you’re a heretic” charge. It’s so old.Emeraldlady:
I can’t really believe what I’m reading.CatholicSooner:
The goals of the UN especially Agenda 2030 are not opposed to real truth and Catholic faith. Some of the means proposed like abortion are, but not what is trying to be achieved. Pope Francis has kept on stressing that the goals must conform to truly ethical means. Pope John Paul did the same thing when stem cell research got started. He continually stressed the immorality of embryonic stem cell research while acknowledging the ethics of stem cell science in general. The idea that the Church should denounce every human endeavour that isn’t 100% perfect is certainly not a traditional practice of the Church in the world.Emeraldlady:
secular arm of the catholic mission?
I don’t trust their intentions either. They are there to help preserve the world and peace relative to secular views. This is often times opposed to real truth and the Catholic faith.
Appalling acceptance of evil
I said what is in the 2030 is evil…ie the methods of population control.
There is nothing good about population control…even if done without birth control and abortion. There is nothing Christian about it. It is evil and controlling and anti Christian. It is away to control people. Then add in how the UN wants to achieve it and that is evil.
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TMC
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So why do you suppose that the Church has endorsed the 2030 Agenda? It seems that the Church has analyzed the issue and come to the opposite conclusion that you have.
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CatholicSooner
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B/c the church is becoming secularized and has been for a long time.CatholicSooner:
So why do you suppose that the Church has endorsed the 2030 Agenda? It seems that the Church has analyzed the issue and come to the opposite conclusion that you have.
It is pretty clear the Pope Francis is OK with allowing some error if it means something he perceives as a good. He is very progressive in church teaching. He seems to rank attracting people and welcoming people over church teaching and truth.
For example, if people are leaving the church b/c they are divorced and remarried, he is going to be lax on this teaching and may allow remarried Catholics to receive common.
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