Stop being gay?

[josh987654321]

Heterosexual couples can also do anal. There’s guys that want they’re wife’s to take them with a strapon while not being gay. But just having that certain fetish, what do we make of that?

It is obviously very gravely immoral, look up what the Church teaches about sodomy and that also applies to them.

The Church has always condemned sodomy, because as I said before, regardless of orientation, it’s using the bodies organs in a manner in which they were not designed to be used for.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Meemai]

Replace it with eating mud or sand if you like.

Still that is rather hard to compare to being gay as it is not a choice.

It should be - “enjoying to drink washing detergent is not a choice, just like being gay.”

Again enjoying to drink washing detergent or enjoying to have sex with other males when your male yourself, cannot be compared.​

Enjoying having sex before marriage for heterosexuals and enjoying to have sex male on male you could compare that.

If you have a couple come here and start telling us how pre-marital sex, fornication or promiscuity is not sinful and they don’t understand why the Church is picking on them or discriminating against them or denying them love, than I don’t see how it would go down any different.

Hmm still I can see people dislike gays a tad more then a couple having sex before mariage. Let’s say you had a gay couple that was married. And a heterosexual couple that wasn’t maried and had sex with each other and even kids. Would you prefer one over the other? And be honest with me here.

Celibacy is seen as good because they devote their lives to God completely through it, not because they don’t have children.

Chastity is seen as a good thing for all of us and for very good reasons.

I we all where celibate we would focus all on God but produce no afterlife. That does not seem a very good plan either.

I come up with arguments to oppose same sex marriage that don’t have anything to do with the Church and when I do that, it’s not because I’m being homophobic or because I want to pick on gays, it’s because I know that the sexual acts of homosexuality are sinful and I wouldn’t be loving my neighbour if I advocated sexual immorality for them or for anyone else for that matter.

Hmm I see I would limit it to the church, as things outside the church have nothing to do with gays. For example you could say that gays cannot marry because they add nothing to society but that has nothing to do with sin anymore, but is just your personal political view which can be seen as homophobic.
Thanks for replying and thanks for reading.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

Hmm still I can see people dislike gays a tad more then a couple having sex before mariage. Let’s say you had a gay couple that was married. And a heterosexual couple that wasn’t maried and had sex with each other and even kids. Would you prefer one over the other? And be honest with me here.

I know you didn’t ask me, but…

I have a gay friend who has a committed relationship with his partner. I have a great deal of respect for both of them, and I certainly don’t think their relationship is more sinful than those straight couples who live with each other before marriage. I’m sure there are Catholics who would disagree, and (depending on their reasons) that might be a case of irrational prejudice.

Some Catholics seem to be confused, and to think that the temptation to homosexual acts is somehow sinful. But that’s not church teaching.

 

[josh987654321]

Still that is rather hard to compare to being gay as it is not a choice.

I know, I’m simply saying that acting on those desires is, there is not one person who doesn’t have an immoral desire, I’m simply pointing out that not everything we desire is good for us.

Again enjoying to drink washing detergent or enjoying to have sex with other males when your male yourself, cannot be compared.​

Enjoying having sex before marriage for heterosexuals and enjoying to have sex male on male you could compare that.

Okay.

Hmm still I can see people dislike gays a tad more then a couple having sex before mariage. Let’s say you had a gay couple that was married. And a heterosexual couple that wasn’t maried and had sex with each other and even kids. Would you prefer one over the other? And be honest with me here.

You say “dislike gays” I don’t dislike gays, I dislike what some of them do. And in relation to this I would say Id prefer the heterosexual couple, simply because while they are still acting immorally, it is not misusing our sexual organs as well.

If we all where celibate we would focus all on God but produce no afterlife. That does not seem a very good plan either.

We aren’t all celibate though and Jesus didn’t say we must all be celibate. He didn’t say that if you didn’t become celibate than you were sinning.

Hmm I see I would limit it to the church, as things outside the church have nothing to do with gays. For example you could say that gays cannot marry because they add nothing to society but that has nothing to do with sin anymore, but is just your personal political view which can be seen as homophobic.
Thanks for replying and thanks for reading.

That argument is for people like atheists and those who are demanding secular arguments, it would also apply to anyone who doesn’t have kids, it’s simply to point out that the only reason the government became involved in “marriage” is because it wanted keep tabs on the production of off-spring. It’s simply saying, that if it were not for procreation, why would the government have anything to do with marriage?

I think it’s valid and it’s certainly not intended to have a shot at homosexuals or anyone else, it’s simply saying that the way the government is defining marriage, is kind of illogical, especially if there is no point to it in the eye’s of the government.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Prodigal_Son]

You say “dislike gays” I don’t dislike gays, I dislike what some of them do. And in relation to this I would say Id prefer the heterosexual couple, simply because while they are still acting immorally, it is not misusing our sexual organs as well.

I do disagree with you here, Josh, at least somewhat. There is third party harm involved in heterosexual unmarried sex, since a child is the natural result of such acts. Moreover, a great many homosexual couples never do anything more than oral sex and touching, which – if it is not, in your terms, a misuse of organs for a straight unmarried couple, should not be for a gay couple. (Unless an “act” can be intrinsically ordered according to the gender of the actors?)

So I don’t think the fundamental problem is a misuse of organs, but rather a lack of marital oneness. And I think that the sin of a straight unmarried couple could sometimes be more severe than that of a gay couple.

 

[DebChris]

Maybe this link will help.
couragerc.net/

 

[josh987654321]

I do disagree with you here, Josh, at least somewhat. There is third party harm involved in heterosexual unmarried sex, since a child is the natural result of such acts. Moreover, a great many homosexual couples never do anything more than oral sex and touching, which – if it is not, in your terms, a misuse of organs for a straight unmarried couple, should not be for a gay couple. (Unless an “act” can be intrinsically ordered according to the gender of the actors?)

I don’t mean to get into the debate of which sin is greater, because I don’t know.

The father created us male and female, therefore homosexuality is so sinful, because it means to use the bodies organs in a manner in which they were not designed to be used for. If a heterosexual couple were to use their sexual organs in a manner in which they were not designed to be used for than that would be no different.

Yes, I think an act can be intrinsically ordered/disordered according to the gender of the actors, quite simply, homosexuals cannot have sexual relations with one another in a moral and ordered way, they simply “do not have the right parts.”

So I don’t think the fundamental problem is a misuse of organs, but rather a lack of marital oneness. And I think that the sin of a straight unmarried couple could sometimes be more severe than that of a gay couple.

Not sure I follow you, I don’t think homosexuality is sinful because it lacks marital oneness, but because it is the use of the organs in a manner in which they were not designed to be used for.

(2357) Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarily. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

“Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder. Therefore special concern and pastoral attention should be directed toward those who have this condition, lest they be led to believe that the living out of this orientation in homosexual activity is a morally acceptable option. It is not.”

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[simpleas]

I simply offer the story to you to get you to realise that there is a very real spiritual component to your lifestyle, and I wonder if you realise just how much.

So we should look at people with ssa or are actively gay as strong, spiritual beings, rather than, weak,evil or disordered beings!

 

[Contra_Mundum_1]

I have a gay friend who has a committed relationship with his partner. I have a great deal of respect for both of them, and I certainly don’t think their relationship is more sinful than those straight couples who live with each other before marriage. I’m sure there are Catholics who would disagree, and (depending on their reasons) that might be a case of irrational prejudice.

I think it should be noted that the heterosexual couple living together can fix their situation by getting married (unless there are obstacles to them getting married). A homosexual couple can’t - unless their relationship becomes chaste they will remain in mortal sin. I believe that this potential for marriage in heterosexual couples is not something we should forget about and claim that it is all the same type of sin.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

Sorry for getting distracted by details again.

They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarily.

I think this is the key quote. So when the Catechism talks about homosexual acts, they are not talking (in this context) about types of sex acts, they are talking about the sexual impulse being enacted in same-sex contexts.

 

[evans77]

I want to be closer to God. I am a lesbian who is in a committed relationship for 8 years now. We have a baby boy too. I don’t need the whole debate of is being gay a sin. I just need advice. Should I just stop being gay to get closer to Him? I mean I can properly stop the prshical side of it but the emotional aspect of not loving her as my spouse I don’t know. Then if we just stay friends how do I explain what type of relationship to our son? Should I just turn my back on the gay community? Than again what if God isn’t even asking me to sacrifice this and I am just causing myself anguish? Thanks

I lie to everyone about this. I was with a woman and it was not a good relationship nearly a year later I still miss all that. I too have a baby and she was supposed to be in our life but my horrible words lost the friendship, now she has another. I am a born again though so I m giving it to God now. I really do not think I am supposed to be this way but I cannot help it.

May God help you. Sorry can not be more helpful but sure some others give good advice.

 

[Meemai]

I know you didn’t ask me, but…

I have a gay friend who has a committed relationship with his partner. I have a great deal of respect for both of them, and I certainly don’t think their relationship is more sinful than those straight couples who live with each other before marriage. I’m sure there are Catholics who would disagree, and (depending on their reasons) that might be a case of irrational prejudice.

Some Catholics seem to be confused, and to think that the temptation to homosexual acts is somehow sinful. But that’s not church teaching.

Thanks you make sense. I am happy you replied.

 

[Blessed_is_He]

Wait a min. I think I must be ignorant of something. Is sodomy dame as anal? I only asleep to make a point that if a man and women engage in rat isn’t that using his organ wrongly and thus not producing children.

 

[josh987654321]

Wait a min. I think I must be ignorant of something. Is sodomy dame as anal? I only asleep to make a point that if a man and women engage in rat isn’t that using his organ wrongly and thus not producing children.

Sodomy isn’t just anal, but yes if a man and a woman engage in it, it is also immoral. The Church has always condemned sodomy.

Sodomy -
Sexual intercourse involving anal or oral copulation.

Homosexuality (the act) is considered to be “disordered” in the sense that it is “ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil” and is not directed toward the unitive and procreative purposes of sexual activity. “Homosexual acts”, are considered sinful because “sexual acts, by their nature, are divinely intended to be both unitive and procreative”. We also believe the complementarity of the sexes to be part of God’s plan.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[josh987654321]

Sorry for getting distracted by details again.

It’s fine.

I think this is the key quote. So when the Catechism talks about homosexual acts, they are not talking (in this context) about types of sex acts, they are talking about the sexual impulse being enacted in same-sex contexts.

Okay, so it’s the unitive and procreative aspect.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Blessed_is_He]

So a married couple have basics permission to do anything even though sodomy is the key sin which I had no idea that it also includes oral… Well lol than most of humanity has broken that sin…anyway, so it’s wrong for ws but not as bad a sin for str8 people?

 

[josh987654321]

So a married couple have basics permission to do anything even though sodomy is the key sin which I had no idea that it also includes oral… Well lol than most of humanity has broken that sin…anyway, so it’s wrong for ws but not as bad a sin for str8 people?

No. It’s based on the act, however the untive aspect is taken into account simply because it is against the design for sexuality, which is unitive and procreative between a man and a woman.

Look at it this way, remarried divorcee’s are in the exact same boat as a homosexual couple and the common advice from AAA for them is chastity, to live as brothers and sisters and than they may recieve the Eucharist, which is the same for homosexuals.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[GodsFunkyChild]

Simcha fisher just did a rwo part interview about this very subject over at national catholic register. Worth a read.

 

[epiclotus]

Look at it this way, remarried divorcee’s are in the exact same boat as a homosexual couple and the common advice from AAA for them is chastity, to live as brothers and sisters and than they may recieve the Eucharist, which is the same for homosexuals.

I will not say this is bad advice, but I do have to admit that I do not understand its practicality. Remarried divorcees have become married again because, I would presume, they have found someone in whom they have found a sexual attraction. To live with that temptation on a daily basis would certainly drive me mad. It would take extreme commitment on the part of both people, and wavering of one would likely lead to the fall of both. Such a situation is certainly undesirable. I can only wonder if being single at that point is not preferable, although children would invariably complicate the whole affair.

OP, you have my sympathies for your plight and my prayers. I cannot say what I would do in your shoes. I have no doubt life is already difficult for you, and the choices you have to face will certainly not lessen that burden. The only way to lighten your load is to turn to God for help. We are meant to cast our cares on Christ, for He cares for us. Pray for His guidance and blessing, and seek the counsel of your local parish. I pray there will be someone who is compassionate to your plight and helpful in giving you guidance.

Pax.

 

[Blessed_is_He]

Than I don’t get it. God made man and woman to produce children. I am just curious as to how many Catholics use artificial birth control otherwise there all would be huge families at Mass.This is driving me crazy. Nit pickingWhat kind of loving God will send me to He’ll when my sin is loving someone?, I have not killed anyone or any of that.Use rosary think you choose to be gay but than why would we choose this. Discriminated against, lives thwarted etc.