Story: "Trans teen regrets his ‘Frankenstein’ transition."

[GKMotley]

Can transgender teens be cured by reading The Road to Serfdom ? Not sure what the LGBT agenda is, although I’m sure a dose of Milton Friedman would sort them out.

Got my doubts as to that, myself. Though Friedman and Hayek are useful in their own spheres.

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

No what doesn’t what? Its unclear what your comment is replying to. Your comment is oversimplifying something that is in reality much more complicated.

My comment replies to the one immediately preceding it.

As for the rest–the devil is actively seeking to destroy human understanding of God’s holy creation of the nuptial relationship, the communion of persons that can only occur between one man and one woman. Gender ideology and the lgbt etc. agenda are part of the devil’s plan. Period.

 

[OraLabora]

Adam and Eve passed me the wrong genes.

In fact they did, it’s the “Original Sin” gene

Some argue that therapies might be s suitable way of addressing challenges of identity confusion,

It’s been tried. It hasn’t worked. Maybe some day someone will come up with a technique that does work. Alas, it’s not the current state of affairs.

Gender ideology

There is no such thing. There are people tired of being on the receiving end of so much discrimination, and they are lashing out in a fairly militant fashion. Stop the discrimination, treat the situation purely as a medical condition, treat the people, and allow them to be full members of the Church like everyone else, and “Gender Ideology” will go away.

Attitudes like I see here on CAF are enough to make me want to put a rainbow sticker on my car.

 

[TheMortenBay]

Attitudes like I see here on CAF are enough to make me want to put a rainbow sticker on my car.

Don’t do it! It’s not worth it!
Nah, I think the LGBT+ movement is generally flawed because it’s run by people and because of the way it’s run by those people. I think most of the problem has come from society defining itself by who we have sex with.
I think “gay pride” is wrong, but I don’t think supporting people who identify as LGBT+ is wrong. That’s why I wouldn’t fly the rainbow flag myself. We don’t have to support the agenda to support the people.
I don’t think actually sporting a rainbow is wrong, though, but a lot of people will get their knickers in a twist and won’t understand why you use it.

 

[jeannetherese]

[# American College of Pediatricians Urges Surgeon General to Investigate Medical Transgendering of Children](https://www.acpeds.org/american-col...nvestigate-medical-transgendering-of-children)

Here are some concerns noted by several medical groups about this issue. From the page:
" The American College of Pediatricians was joined today by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, the Catholic Medical Association, and the Alliance for Therapeutic Choice in urging the Surgeon General of the United States, Dr. Jerome Adams, to issue a call to action regarding transgender medical interventions for children. The full letter may be read here.

Dr. Cretella, executive director of the ACPeds stated, “Harmful hormonal and surgical interventions are being routinely prescribed to gender dysphoric youth in lieu of ethical psychotherapy despite the fact that the vast majority will outgrow their GD if allowed to progress through natural puberty.”

Medical intervention for children with gender dysphoria begins with puberty blockers and is typically followed by the use of toxic cross sex hormones, and the surgical removal of breasts and/or reproductive organs, in addition to cosmetic operations to simulate genitalia of the opposite sex. Girls as young as 13 have received double mastectomies in this country.

Dr. Quentin L. Van Meter, president of the ACPeds explained, “The grave side effects of transgendering include, but are not limited to, sterility, sexual dysfunction, blood clots, strokes, cardiac disease, osteoporosis, malignancy, and persistently elevated rates of suicide. Children and teens do not have the cognitive capacity to fully comprehend these risks.”

 

[OraLabora]

I don’t think actually sporting a rainbow is wrong, though, but a lot of people will get their knickers in a twist and won’t understand why you use it.

Not likely around here, Québec is very liberal about these sorts of thing. If I were LGBQT, Montréal is where I’d want to live in North America.

 

[Rau]

they also don’t encourage gay people to accept themselves the way they are when it comes to the gender of the person their brain tells them that they should have sex with.

They can and should accept the reality of their inclinations; their present situation. The church’s contribution is to state the right response to those inclinations.

The “brain” (inclinations) is not saying what someone should do but telling them what appeals. The mind and reason can judge the appropriate course and say yes or no.

 

[bookshelf]

Research strongly suggests that addictions are largely genetic. In layman’s terms, born that way.

If someone is genetically predisposed to drunkenness whereas others aren’t, that can certainly be blamed to some extent on their genes.

In fact they did, it’s the “Original Sin” gene

Does this mean you hold the view that mortal and venial sin is genetically based and we are not liable for our actions based on these sins? If that is true then Cain’s murder of Abel was a genetic predisposition, and we should have no problem with scandals and scandalous behavior from clergy and laity.

 

[melonhead]

Does this mean you hold the view that mortal and venial sin is genetically based and we are not liable for our actions based on these sins? If that is true then Cain’s murder of Abel was a genetic predisposition, and we should have no problem with scandals and scandalous behavior from clergy and laity.

Quite the opposite. Our predisposition toward sin may be largely genetic based, but through free will, we choose to engage in sinful behavior. Genetics may cause (or be a partial cause) for me to struggle with lust or drinking, but ultimately, I’m the one who decides whether or not to watch nudie films while bonging tequila.

 

[PetraG]

I imagine that they’ve always been there but have only recently felt able to come out in the open with it.

Imagination isn’t evidence.

Some people on CAF are pretty obsessed with the word “mutilation” whenever this topic comes up.

When a surgeon cuts off a hand or a foot or any other organ, I think the word usually comes up. It even comes up with regards to circumcision.

As for the general question of accomodating someone who has put on a persona at odds with reality, that is usually not an accomodation we go along with, save when the person actually does have dementia. A typical person who suffers from anxiety usually learns to cope with the facts as they actually are. Maybe they figure out ways to confront them less often, but they aren’t treated by encouraging them and everyone they come in contact with to live in a different reality.

On that account, I find it somewhat odd that people ask “So you think transexuals are crazy?” when I say they are having trouble coping with their physical body. If I thought they were demented, I wouldn’t have a problem with going along with whatever accomodation they needed to keep from getting agitated. They aren’t demented, though.

 

[Thorolfr]

When a surgeon cuts off a hand or a foot or any other organ, I think the word usually comes up. It even comes up with regards to circumcision.

As for the general question of accomodating someone who has put on a persona at odds with reality, that is usually not an accomodation we go along with, save when the person actually does have dementia. A typical person who suffers from anxiety usually learns to cope with the facts as they actually are. Maybe they figure out ways to confront them less often, but they aren’t treated by encouraging them and everyone they come in contact with to live in a different reality.

When a surgeon cuts off a foot or some other body part for medical reasons, we usually call it “surgery,” not “mutilation.” We don’t say that a patient went in “for mutilation” today, we say that they went in “for surgery.”

And as for a person who suffers from something like Generalized Anxiety Disorder, they are usually helped to cope with their anxiety with medication and therapy of some sort. And GAD and other kinds of anxiety often respond reasonably well to medication and therapy. But from all I’ve read, that is usually not the case with people who suffer from gender dysphoria. I doubt that doctors would have resorted to surgery for some patients with gender dysphoria if medication and therapy worked just as well or better.

 

[PetraG]

When a surgeon cuts off a foot or some other body part for medical reasons, we usually call it “surgery,” not “mutilation.” We don’t say that a patient went in “for mutilation” today, we say that they went in “for surgery.”

And as for a person who suffers from something like Generalized Anxiety Disorder, they are usually helped to cope with their anxiety with medication and therapy of some sort. And GAD and other kinds of anxiety often respond reasonably well to medication and therapy. But from all I’ve read, that is usually not the case with people who suffer from gender dysphoria. I doubt that doctors would have resorted to surgery for some patients with gender dysphoria if medication and therapy worked just as well or better.

Really? You doubt that there is a plastic surgeon who would do a surgery that a patient did not need because the patient wanted it? That a plastic surgeon couldn’t possibly do a surgery not in the patient’s best interest because the patient wanted it?

Never mind the tattoos; his fellow seems to me to have had his upper lip mutilated. Why would a surgeon do that to somebody? Because the patient wants it.
(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

Or this?
(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

 

[OraLabora]

I really doubt that was done by a legitimate surgeon.

 

[PetraG]

I really doubt that was done by a legitimate surgeon.

What makes a surgeon “legitimate”?

 

[OraLabora]

Board-certified.

 

[PetraG]

Board-certified.

The patient is using surgery to cope with mental health issues. Call it what you want, but I would say it qualifies as body mutilation. What makes it distinct from the surgeries the same patient had to change gender, I could not say. I’m just saying that treating anxiety with surgical modification of the body implies that this is all a legitmate treatment, provided the patient is not sufficiently helped by taking medications. The patient became a reptile; the next stop is dragon:

Meet the Texas-bred Dragon Lady: Tiamat Medusa Takes Body Modification to the Extreme

On a late-night YouTube binge, I unexpectedly met Tiamat Medusa, a trans woman from Bruni, Texas, who’s shed her human skin to become a dragon. But it

www.sacurrent.com

 

[Thorolfr]

OraLabora:

Board-certified.

The patient is using surgery to cope with mental health issues. Call it what you want, but I would say it qualifies as body mutilation. What makes it distinct from the surgeries the same patient had to change gender, I could not say. I’m just saying that treating anxiety with surgical modification of the body implies that this is all a legitmate treatment, provided the patient is not sufficiently helped by taking medications. The patient became a reptile; the next stop is dragon:
https://www.sacurrent.com/ArtSlut/a...medusa-takes-body-modification-to-the-extreme

As far as I understand it, people who suffer from gender dysphoria are not just experiencing anxiety. There is probably a real biological disconnect between the brain’s sense of its gender and the anatomical sex of the rest of the body, perhaps as a result of the brain developing under different influences in the womb late in pregnancy. And there is some evidence that the brain’s sense of its gender might be determined by the way it developed structurally. That seems to be the opinion of Columbia University professor Eric Kandel, a Nobel prize winner in medicine. He describes in some detail the experiences of Barbara Barres who transitioned to become Ben Barres in 1997 and was from 2008 to 2017 the chair of the neurobiology department at Stanford University and the first openly transsexual scientist invited to join the National Academy of Sciences. At least in Barres’ case, he felt that disconnect between his brain and the rest of his body from his early childhood. His description of his experience just doesn’t seem quite the same as the examples you’ve introduced. Did these people also feel a disconnect between their brain, which was telling them from early childhood that they were a dragon or a feline, and the rest of their body?

Also, some people use the word “mutilation” to describe any kind of surgery with which they strongly disagree. As you have pointed out, some people even throw around the word “mutilation” to describe circumcision. Like most American males in my age group, I was circumcised as an infant and even though I wish that my parents hadn’t done this because I was unable to give consent at the time, I still wouldn’t accuse my parents of having “mutilated” me.

 

[Rau]

Also, some people use the word “mutilation” to describe any kind of surgery with which they strongly disagree.

Haven’t come across that extreme. Mutilation would seem to a disfiguring or maiming including surgery without a medical purpose or need. For the one who suffers dysphoria, the surgery is perhaps still reasonably described as a mutilation though with a psychological purpose.

As you have pointed out, some people even throw around the word “mutilation” to describe circumcision.

Objectively, this may not be an unreasonable use of the word; the motivation for that procedure tends to range from the well-intentioned to the frivolous.

 

[Thorolfr]

Thorolfr:

Also, some people use the word “mutilation” to describe any kind of surgery with which they strongly disagree.

Haven’t come across that extreme. Mutilation would seem to a disfiguring or maiming including surgery without a medical purpose or need. For the one who suffers dysphoria, the surgery is perhaps still reasonably described as a mutilation though with a psychological purpose.

Of course, something can have both a “medical purpose” and a “psychological purpose.” Mental or psychological disorders are now largely viewed by psychiatrists as brain disorders which often require medical treatment. And in the case of the surgery that doctors perform on people with gender dysphoria, these doctors obviously believe that they serve a legitimate medical purpose or need. Surgery that most people believe does serve a legitimate medical purpose or need would not usually be called “mutilation.” That word would instead be used by those who have decided that these surgeries don’t serve a legitimate medical purpose or need and is used to indicate that they strongly disapprove of them. One person’s “surgery” is another person’s “mutilation” depending on whether they approve or disapprove of it.

 

[Rau]

Surgery that most people believe does serve a legitimate medical purpose or need would not usually be called “mutilation.”

I think that’s open to debate. To cut off a perfectly normal and functioning limb because the person suffers from an overpowering belief that the limb is not his, or does not belong, is surely to mutilate the body, even if it serves to bring relief to the mind.

One person’s “surgery” is another person’s “mutilation” depending on whether they approve or disapprove of it.

No, I don’t think so. That smacks of making things mean whatever we want them to mean.