Genders do get assigned at birth. People with AIS are usually assigned a female gender at birth and this is put on their birth certificates because they physically look female even though they are genetically male with XY sex chromosomes.OraLabora:
Assigned at birth?
Really?
No they don’t.
My understanding was a repair to parts that were malformed.
No that is incorrect. She was physically normal at birth.
Well, they do. As Thorolfr noted, AIS “boys” get assigned as girls at birth. Even though they are genetically boys, their body phenotype is normal female. They usually don’t get diagnosed until they fail to menstruate. By that time they have lived (usually happily) as girls for about 12-14 years, so doctors won’t “undo” the birth assignment. Sometimes in the cases of ambiguous genitalia, a “call” was made at birth that turned out to be wrong. Nowadays with the intersexed, I believe the protocol is to avoid assigning gender at birth and seeing how things play out, i.e. letting the patient steer towards the gender they identify with.
And continued to be so?
Wait a second…I have been told me gender was assigned at birth.
In cases of ambiguous genitalia, a call was made at birth, a best guess; note the use of the past tense here. But that is no longer the case. The patient gets to determine the gender they feel most comfortable with.
Ending a life is in no way comparable to removing an organ. I’m sorry but I’m not playing the “everything revolves around abortion” game that is so popular on CAF. This is a completely separate topic to be determined on its own criteria. Comparing everything to abortion is the CAF equivalent of Godwin’s law.
This is not what I have been told.
And I even clarified with the statement that it was outside of the doctors ability to assign such at birth.
Of course the doctors have control of that. When I spoke of genders being assigned at birth, I mean that someone, usually a doctor, assigns a gender to a newborn baby that will appear for legal purposes on a birth certificate. He puts down on the paperwork that is filed with the state that the baby he just delivered is either male or female. In most places in the US, it’s still necessary to go to court to get that assigned gender changed. The gender of a newborn baby is usually obvious to a doctor and if the baby looks like a girl, he will put on the paperwork that the child is female. But sometimes, some children such as those with AIS that look like they are female are actually genetically male. So, in the case of someone with AIS, it’s somewhat uncertain as to whether an assigned gender at birth of “female” is correct or not.Thorolfr:
No they don’t.
The doctors have no control of that.
They are simply reporting what is apparent, or in some cases not so apparent, for the purposes of documentation.
All I know is that when people talk of a gender being “assigned at birth,” they usually mean what the doctor put on the legal paperwork when a child was born. You can quibble over whether that is a correct use of the word “assign,” but that’s what most people mean.Thorolfr:
They are simply reporting what is apparent, or in some cases not so apparent, for the purposes of documentation.
This isn’t exactly assigning. Sex organs develop long before then. Chromosomes dictate long before that.
This thread involves people trying to change gender. Under normal circumstances I would readily açcept what you were saying.
Most transgender people I know don’t believe that they’ve literally changed from one sex to another one. They’re thinking of gender identity, not biological or chromosomal sex, and their gender identity is not being changed. For many of them, their gender identity has always been different from and not aligned with their chromosomal sex. Someone’s gender identity has to do with their internal sense of what gender they belong to, not to whether their chromosomes are XX or XY. Scientists already know that although a person’s gender identify and chromosomal sex usually coincide, they can sometimes diverge, perhaps because the brain develops later in pregnancy and under different influences than the processes that determine outward physical sexual characteristics.Thorolfr:
This thread involves people trying to change gender. Under normal circumstances I would readily açcept what you were saying.
Given the subject matter, clarification was in order.
Far from it. They’re perfectly aware that how they feel inside diverges from their outward physical characteristics. And that divergence is not necessarily just a “psychological problem.” Over the last few decades, there has been a convergence of neurology and psychology and most psychologists now realize that many psychological disorders are brain disorders and arise from physical glitches in people’s brains.Thorolfr:
That would indicate some psychological problems.
Failure to see reality can be a problem.