Straight kids should not be bullied

[Julianna]

As opposed to disapproving of bullying universally?

You sound a lot like a homophobe.

thank you. Glad you pointed out the elephant in the room.

Gays are not out to get anyone…paranoia run amok.

 

[fix]

Why assume this was an ideologically-based club with a social or political agenda? As described, it was a club designed to prevent gay students from being bullied. What is wrong with that?

Because history has shown these are ideologically based clubs. These clubs promote homosexual behavior as normal.

 

[fix]

I think this demonstrates one aspect of where the modern West’s confusion on this subject comes from. There are some people among us with disordered sexual attractions. These people, like everyone who has something wrong with them, are subject to stigmas, prejudices, and even torments at the hands of those who derive pleasure from grinding their perceived inferiors into the dirt.

Rather than combat this evil attitude towards weakness in others, we take the shortcut of denying that the weakness is a weakness at all. We call it a strength instead. We bring in language of identity and pride. We even call up the moral power that lies in our cultural memory of the Civil Rights Movement. And so the real moral problem of the strong’s disdain for the weak remains unresolved, while a debilitating condition is exalted to the status of “persecuted minority”.

Exactly right.

 

[fix]

I have to heartily disagree. Teenagers learning how to behave in a Christ-like manner has nothing to do with moral relativism or broken homes. Behaving in a loving manner or being friends with a LGBT person has nothing to do with any specific ideology - it has to do with following the Gospels. BTW, I haven’t seen one case where a straight student ‘caught’ gayness.

Following the Gospel would include not using ideological labels like LGBT. That reinforces a deviant mentality.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

In fairness, people aren’t selected to be bullied because they’re straight. It just doesn’t happen, because being straight is normal. Drawing attention to people being bullied because they’re straight would be farcical, because it simply doesn’t happen.

Try harder next time. A better argument is the fact that drawing attention only to bullying aimed at ‘LGBT’ folk is silly when bullying of all kinds should be discouraged.

 

[meltzerboy]

In fairness, people aren’t selected to be bullied because they’re straight. It just doesn’t happen, because being straight is normal. Drawing attention to people being bullied because they’re straight would be farcical, because it simply doesn’t happen.

Try harder next time. A better argument is the fact that drawing attention only to bullying aimed at ‘LGBT’ folk is silly when bullying of all kinds should be discouraged.

I think that was what the OP was trying to do. When he says straight kids should not be bullied, he probably means there are other problems besides being gay that straight people have, although, I admit, his intentions are not so clear at times.

 

[WildCatholic]

No one should be bullied. But are straight kids bullied just for being straight, the way gay kids are for simply being gay? It’s not exactly the equivalent. In the case of straight kids, I think there is usually some other reason why they’re bullied.

What about kids who may just be a little effeminate, or simply not as tough as other boys. Being a teacher, I hear all the time how kids will call each other “gay” or say “that’s so gay”. While I disagree with gay marriage, I think its offensive to use it in such a way.

In high school its worse. I was bullied and called really terrible gay names (sorry if this offends anyone, but just to see how bad it was fudge packer, phag, queer bait) all because i didn’t have a girlfriend through HS and had a temper. So anytime I hear people saying gay people are crybabies for being bullied. It does hurt. I hardly support gay marriage, but know it isn’t right to bully them

 

[WildCatholic]

SOME Catholic schools do. Some Catholic schools stick their heads in the sand and say they don’t have and never will have a bullying problem while the kid down the hall is being ridiculed on a daily basis for being “fat”, “gay” and “stupid”.

Thats the way my school was. They said they didn’t have a problem, and the sad thing is most of the parents agreed. They felt it was only a small amount of kids getting bullied (usually those who were sped kids or perceived to be gay) but soon it progressed to some really bad stuff.

Kind of sad really.

 

[meltzerboy]

What about kids who may just be a little effeminate, or simply not as tough as other boys. Being a teacher, I hear all the time how kids will call each other “gay” or say “that’s so gay”. While I disagree with gay marriage, I think its offensive to use it in such a way.

In high school its worse. I was bullied and called really terrible gay names (sorry if this offends anyone, but just to see how bad it was fudge packer, phag, queer bait) all because i didn’t have a girlfriend through HS and had a temper. So anytime I hear people saying gay people are crybabies for being bullied. It does hurt. I hardly support gay marriage, but know it isn’t right to bully them

I’m on your side on this issue. I was just pointing out what I think the OP meant by the title of the thread. However, what his motivation may be in starting this thread is something only he knows for sure.

 

[TimeEntrance]

I think that was what the OP was trying to do. When he says straight kids should not be bullied, he probably means there are other problems besides being gay that straight people have, although, I admit, his intentions are not so clear at times.

I think it’s a little more than that, Meltzer.

I once read this book where the author’s thesis was basically that what people hate most is not the “other” but the the one most close to them that differs a little.

He argued his points well. For example, the Catholic Inquisition. Being Muslim or Jew was less hated than being a Jew that converted to Christianity and possibly differed in some slight measures from the crowd.

The fear is that the homosexual is not some far off “other” like a Chechen Muslim that does not drink, smoke, or fornicate. The fear is a heresy within.

I’m not much different myself I’ll have to admit. It’s an interesting psychological aspect of human beings.

But people can also be passionate or irked by different things. Perhaps each person’s biography plays into that? I would think. But I can’t say for sure if that is a universal truth.

Gay marriage and growing homosexual social popularity does not stir as much passion in me as it does for some. And by some I mean both sides on the two opposite opposing ends. In large part I’m indifferent to it. To some extent. Not 100%. Maybe 98%.

But the beef reminds me of the Serenity Prayer. Part of it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_Prayer

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

One of the people I most admire that I’ve conversed with online–I may have mentioned this in the past–is a an ex-Catholic converted to the Episcopalian Church that is a lwayer by education and profession, has worked as a judge, is divorced from a woman with a daughter, and married (legally–in Canada) to a man. He is American and they are living in the U.S. raising his daughter.

This guy is so ethical–and charitable–that him as a single person almost came very close to me being morally persuaded that gay marriage is okay. He’s a good looking guy, articulate, intelligent, and a professional that makes a good earning. What’s more he would PM me being friendly towards me. This is a guy that by all rights should be sitting high on a hill looking down his nose at me. And he’s sat in court with a lot of tragic and troubled people from what I can surmise from some things he has said. He’s not effeminate either but what I would regard as an alpha male. He made a big impact on me.

 

[Havard]

thank you. Glad you pointed out the elephant in the room.

Gays are not out to get anyone…paranoia run amok.

It’s not gay people that concern, most gay people are A-okay with “to each his own”. The real instigators (imho) are the misguided liberals who want to create a “utopian” society where traditional beliefs about sexuality are reeducated out of everyone.

 

[CatholicGeek1]

It’s not gay people that concern, most gay people are A-okay with “to each his own”. The real instigators (imho) are the misguided liberals who want to create a “utopian” society where traditional beliefs about sexuality are reeducated out of everyone.

I agree and I think this is part of the problem. People tend to lump all homosexuals in with the activists, just as they tend to lump all Muslims in with the terrorists.

 

[PetrusRomanus]

I was NEVER bullied for being straight. I was picked on for being short.
I played softball and 9 out of the 13 girls were/are gay. My gay teammates never picked on me for liking boys.

But perhaps another straight kid bullied you for liking the same boy they like?

 

[KendraDZ1902]

But perhaps another straight kid bullied you for liking the same boy they like?

Nope.

If you read the whole thread, you will see that his problem has nothing to do with straight kids being picked on for their sexual orientation.

 

[PetrusRomanus]

Nope.

If you read the whole thread, you will see that his problem has nothing to do with straight kids being picked on for their sexual orientation.

If you like a boy and pursue him, youre carrying out a heterosexual inclination.

If someone bullies you because of that, in this case say a person who likes the same boy, they are bullying you for possessing a heterosexual inclination.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

If you like a boy and pursue him, youre carrying out a heterosexual inclination.

If someone bullies you because of that, in this case say a person who likes the same boy, they are bullying you for possessing a heterosexual inclination.

They aren’t going to say “you are straight so you should kill yourself” Or “you are straight so you are going to hell” You are comparing apples to oranges.
Also, if you will read the WHOLE THREAD you will see that the OP didn’t have a problem being picked on for being straight. He was picked on for his race. He titled this thread what he did for shock value.

 

[Havard]

They aren’t going to say “you are straight so you should kill yourself” Or “you are straight so you are going to hell” You are comparing apples to oranges.
Also, if you will read the WHOLE THREAD you will see that the OP didn’t have a problem being picked on for being straight. He was picked on for his race. He titled this thread what he did for shock value.

I don’t think he wanted to shock people, I just think he wanted to get people thinking differently.

 

[PetrusRomanus]

They aren’t going to say “you are straight so you should kill yourself” Or “you are straight so you are going to hell” You are comparing apples to oranges.
Also, if you will read the WHOLE THREAD you will see that the OP didn’t have a problem being picked on for being straight. He was picked on for his race. He titled this thread what he did for shock value.

I understand why he titled the thread this way, but to say people aren picke on for having heterosexual feelings is nonsense and i cited an example of that even

 

[KendraDZ1902]

I understand why he titled the thread this way, but to say people aren picke on for having heterosexual feelings is nonsense and i cited an example of that even

Being tormented by someone because you like their boyfriend isn’t being picked on for being straight. The girl isn’t saying “hahaha you are straight, you are so weird.” Come on dude, she likes boys too.

 

[livingwordunity]

I think that was what the OP was trying to do. When he says straight kids should not be bullied, he probably means there are other problems besides being gay that straight people have, although, I admit, his intentions are not so clear at times.

You are correct about the intention of this thread. There are thousands of possible reasons why a kid might get bullied. For example, it’s common for a kid to get bullied just because they are new to a school or new to the neighborhood. That’s why we don’t need to have a single laser beam focus on just one type of bullying the way the “LGBT” activists want to have it because it excludes all the other kids who get bullied who aren’t “LGBT”. If we tell kids, “you shouldn’t bully the LGBT kids”, a bully can think to him or herself “well, they only said I can’t bully an LGBT kid. They didn’t say I can’t bully a non-LGBT kid”. Then the bully has us stupid politically correct adults on a technicality.