Strong Desire to Attend Mass, But Not Catholic

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have a great time on your retreat with the sisters.
itā€™ll be a wonderful opportunity to continue your growth in holiness.
 
Still canā€™t do what? Genuflect/bow? Like RebeccaJ said, donā€™t worry about itā€¦ you are in RCIA, new to the church and just learningā€¦ ironing out the kinks so to speak. Myself, I donā€™t have any problem with genuflecting, but I have problems in other areas. No oneā€™s perfect. Everyoneā€™s different, just continue to be as open to learning as you currently are and you will be fine. Iā€™m happy for you and praying for you too! šŸ™‚
Thank you. šŸ˜ƒ
 
@Judith: If you read this, tomorrow (Tuesday the 4th) is your favorite saintā€™s feast day. St. John Vianney, the ā€œCure De Arsā€. šŸ˜ƒ
Extra special now that heā€™s the patron saint of ALL priests (who we should be praying for harder in this year of the priest.)

Zundrah, please make a new topic or a prayer intention for this if youā€™re having problems (but please donā€™t send this thread off-topic). If you do, send me a message to go over there.

Iā€™ll be praying for you. šŸ˜‰
Oh sorryā€¦ I think I do have a bad habbit of making threads go off-topic. But if I do start a thread on it (which I wouldnā€™t dare) I will tell you.
 
Hi Susan,

First of all, I will include you in my prayers so that God will illuminate your soul, heart and mind in your journey through the Catholic Faith.

Yes, by all means you can attend the Mass. Understanding it will take a while and you will discover that the Mass is the highest form of prayer.

If I may suggest a book that I think will help you understand a similar walk of Faith, ā€œHome Sweet Homeā€ by Scott Hahn. Scott also holds a Ph.D. and his conversion story is remarkable.
 
Not meaning to be fussy, but the title of the Scott Hahn book is ā€œRome, Sweet Homeā€ by Scott and Kimberly Hahn. Excellent book.

While weā€™re on the subject of books, I just finished a 500-page novel by Marcus Grodi of the Coming Home Network (they help Protestants transition to Catholicism). The book is called ā€œHow Firm A Foundation.ā€ It is about a Protestant pastor who discovers the truths of Catholicism. It was an excellent book for me because Iā€™m not a good readerā€“you probably donā€™t have this problemā€“and in it key Scripture verses, Catechism bits and key concepts were repeated, which I need. Fiction turns out to be an excellent vehicle to communicate these truths.

Bye for now,

L.H.
 
This man was and is a wonderful Saint. His words of wisdom really ring true for me.

As to being attracted to Saints that are priests, I must confess that I am also drawn to them, whether they are in the Church Militant or the Church Triumphant. I look to them for inspiration and learning about faith and spirituality. Their selfless devotion to our Lord is inspiring, and each has a gift to share with us, thanks to God Himself. There is nothing strange about being attracted to holiness, since you are first attracted to the Holy God.

Thus it is, when you are drawing near to our Lord, and your spirit is being ministered to and healed, that spiritual attacks will come. But, as youā€™ve seen, they are repulsed by a steady faith in, and love of God.
I just had to post my two cents worth: one of my favorite priest-saints ā€œalmost saintsā€ ā€¦ he isnā€™t quite canonized yet] is Fr. Solanus Casey of Detroit, Michigan.

He was a super down to earth guy, enjoyed a beer on a hot day ā€¦ worked as a street car conductor and professionally boxed before entering the seminary [he entered a German language seminary ā€¦ but he didnā€™t happen to speak German] ā€¦ amazing story ā€¦ and one day began working miracles. One of my priest-friends happened to be making a retreat, when in the middle of the night, suddenly woke up and was ā€œmovedā€ to visit the chapel. There he saw Fr. Solanus kneeling in front of the tabernacle in a state of absolute ecstasy.

solanuscenter.org/about.shtml

Bernie his secular name ] Casey was so humble that there was doubt that he should be ordained a priest, owing to his poor academics ā€¦ at the German speaking monastery ā€¦ but they did finally ordain him, with two exceptions ā€¦ he could not say Mass in public and he could not hear confessions. Since Father Solanus was somewhat ā€œcareer limitedā€, they put him to work opening the door for visitors.

And he would wait with the visitors as they waited to see a regular priest for spiritual direction or to present their various plights. He would pray for them, and ā€¦ suddenly miracles began to happen. The Bishop ordered him to keep track of the miracles and they filled book after book.

An amazing story.

solanuscasey.org/wisdom.shtml
 
One of my priest-friends happened to be making a retreat, when in the middle of the night, suddenly woke up and was ā€œmovedā€ to visit the chapel. There he saw Fr. Solanus kneeling in front of the tabernacle in a state of absolute ecstasy.

solanuscenter.org/about.shtml
i heard a similar story, probably here on the forums, and the other priest was fr. groeschel?
part of the story is here
annunciations.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/the-priest-that-saved-my-life/
but thereā€™s more to itā€¦
here it is
splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/archives/005810.php
 
Iā€™m actually not Protestant thoughā€¦ and I didnā€™t leave any church to become Catholic. I had no church. My background is Jewish, and I was raised secular. I consider myself Jewish as an ethnicity. Protestantism, I have no experience and very little knowledge of, other than reading C.S. Lewis, who is an author I really enjoy. I really know very little about Protestant belief and Iā€™m not sure how your comment relates to my thread, or to me, as a Jew.
Protestantism rests on the belief that eternal lifeā€“or being made right with God foreverā€“is found by believing in Jesus for the forgiveness of our sins. At the moment of belief, we are welcomed into fellowship with God and given eternal life. We believe that this what the Bible teaches and that eternal life is not found in any church. As the Catholic Church does not hold this perspective on eternal life, youā€“at some levelā€“have to say that the Protestant view is incorrect.
 
i heard a similar story, probably here on the forums, and the other priest was fr. groeschel?
part of the story is here
annunciations.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/the-priest-that-saved-my-life/
but thereā€™s more to itā€¦
here it is
splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/archives/005810.php
There is an almost endless supply of anecdotes about Fr. Solanus! Amazing. I hope the cause of his canonization moves forward quickly.

Fr. Benedict was very young and he probably didnā€™t recognize an ā€œecstasy stateā€ with that term at the time. Reflecting back on it later ā€¦ was when he could associate Fr. Solanusā€™ experience with ā€œecstasy stateā€.

There may well be a lot of very holy men and women who clearly were being used by God for His purposes. The ā€œproblemā€ is that generally these folks donā€™t advertise. They donā€™t talk about it and so we are dependent on eyewitnesses who may or may not have recognized at the time what they were seeing or feeling.

Another ā€œcharacterā€ who was well known at the time was Father Charles McTague. Fr. Charlie was a port chaplain at Port Newark, across from Newark Airport in New Jersey. He used to refer to himself as ā€œCharlie Chaplainā€. On his vacations, he would sign on to a ship as the cook and would make himself available to the crew as spiritual director and confessor ā€¦ the shipsā€™ crews were pretty isolated because of small crew size and fast port turnarounds, so they often didnā€™t have an opportunity to get to Mass or receive the sacraments.

rcan.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=feature.show&feature_id=473
 
Protestantism rests on the belief that eternal lifeā€“or being made right with God foreverā€“is found by believing in Jesus for the forgiveness of our sins. At the moment of belief, we are welcomed into fellowship with God and given eternal life. We believe that this what the Bible teaches and that eternal life is not found in any church. As the Catholic Church does not hold this perspective on eternal life, youā€“at some levelā€“have to say that the Protestant view is incorrect.
What Protestantism is depends on what type of Protestant you speak with. There are many variations or denominations that believe different and contradicting doctrines. But it is certainly true that the Catholic Church would say all of them are incorrect, or more precisely, false. Although all Protestants would not say the Church is unnecessary, and certainly the Bible does not, and the original Protestant reformers did not, most do ascribe to Lutherā€™s doctrine that all that is necessary for salvation is faith, belief.

Catholics and some Protestants belief some things more than faith are necessary for eternal life. We must also hope in God and love God. If one believes all that is necessary is belief, then nothing else is necessary. It is not necessary to do anything, like repent of oneā€™s sins. It is not necessary to love. If one believes having the love of God is necessary, then one must ask what does that mean. Jesus tells us in scripture. If a man loves me He will keep my commands (obey me). John also tells us. The love of God consists in this, that we obey His commandments.

Luther clearly taught that all that is necessary for salvation is faith. The Bible does not and no Christian ever did even think anything like this for many centuries. Imagine, all those centuries rolled by and Christians, the Church, to whom Christ made promises to lead into all truth, were oblivious to a truth that is so important, and they believed things that were false.
 
Thanks everyone for the book recommendations! More to add to my list! šŸ™‚
What about committing yourself to all people?
Yes, thatā€™s more what I feel called to do.
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grandfather:
In a sense St. Louis is a predecessor of Saint Maximilian. In a sense Max took up where Louis left off. It is rare that new Catholics are ready for either one. It takes a certain maturity in faith. This can come rapidly and does. Marian devotion takes the soul to great sanctity. It never fails, or rather, she never fails.
Oh OK, thanks for information. Well maybe I wonā€™t do it then. I havenā€™t spoken to my priest about it yet, I wanted his opinion because I wasnā€™t sure I was ready. I also didnā€™t know if a catechumen could do it, as at the end you are supposed to go to confession and receive communion.
 
Since you donā€™t feel called to marriage, perhaps your being oblivious will serve as a ā€œshieldā€ to get the average guy to give up quick (and you wonā€™t even have to turn them down).
Yes it totally could be that, good point!
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Liraco:
Itā€™s cool that you seem pretty set on your calling to being single as so many people seem to just be terrified of being ā€œaloneā€.
Yeah Iā€™ve never had issues with being alone. I donā€™t struggle with being lonely much. I enjoy being around people but also crave some solitude. Initially after my one friend stopped speaking to me, I felt badly, butā€¦ it subsided after I met a few people here. I think part of it was just the newness of being in a different country and surroundings and having no friends or family in the area.

Liraco said:
(Robo-nun!..or not šŸ˜Š )

LOLā€¦ that might be interesting! šŸ˜›
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Liraco:
Judith, you mention Sister Rosalind, did you have a chance to catch her on the CAL podcast? Sadly sheā€™s not been recently (sheā€™s in her novitiate and probably quite busy at times) but it seems tomorrow and later this month she might be on again.
No I havenā€™t yet. I was planning to but forgot. Thanks for the reminder! I actually really appreciate you suggesting podcasts to meā€¦ I didnā€™t know about the Catholic podcasts until you mentioned it, but I have been downloading and listening to them regularly since your recommendation. Mostly the Q&A ones with Fr. Serpa.
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Liraco:
Iā€™ll stop ranting now and pray for you instead. šŸ˜ƒ
Thanks for the prayers, I am praying for you also! And everyone who posts in this thread, actually. There is a man who sits near me at mass, and he suggested I write down peopleā€™s names and pray for their intentions at mass every morning. That is what he does. So Iā€™ve started doing that as well. Iā€™ve found it actually helps me to stay focused in mass, knowing that I am praying for othersā€¦ helps ā€œdistractā€ me from thinking about myself and my problems.
 
Thanks everyone for the book recommendations! More to add to my list! šŸ™‚

Yes, thatā€™s more what I feel called to do.

Oh OK, thanks for information. Well maybe I wonā€™t do it then. I havenā€™t spoken to my priest about it yet, I wanted his opinion because I wasnā€™t sure I was ready. I also didnā€™t know if a catechumen could do it, as at the end you are supposed to go to confession and receive communion.
Wouldnā€™t it be extra-cool if you completed it with First Confession and First Holy Communion? šŸ™‚
 
Well I think you should tell your priest about the devotion just to see if he would recommend a certain time for starting with it. Iā€™m sure you can read the consecration before though.

Fr. Serpaā€™s Q&A shows are cool, and I like the ā€œCatholic Answers Minuteā€ he does in some breaks. I really dig the podcasts they do here but with 2 hours a week Iā€™m sometimes a week behind! I try to listen to them all because thereā€™s a lot of good stuff in there. Makes me wish for podcasts having ā€œbookmarksā€ to remember specific topics covered. Glad you like the podcast though.

Iā€™m trying to do the prayer list too but Iā€™m not sure Iā€™m doing it right. Do I just pray for all the people Iā€™ve got in there or do I read them all? Cuz that list is eventually going to be huge.
 
Iā€™m trying to do the prayer list too but Iā€™m not sure Iā€™m doing it right. Do I just pray for all the people Iā€™ve got in there or do I read them all? Cuz that list is eventually going to be huge.
Have specific intentions for them, and have them drop off your list when the situation is resolved - other than your parents, spouse, and children, of course - your immediate family members should stay on your list forever. But people you are only acquainted with, just keep them on while their situation is ongoing, and then when itā€™s resolved (or if you never hear back, after a couple of months) have them drop off the list and be replaced with new people.
 
Oh no! What did I say. By all means do it.
No donā€™t worry, you didnā€™t do anything. I always appreciate your (name removed by moderator)ut, more than you know. Iā€™ve been wondering if I was ready to do it or notā€¦ I still havenā€™t decided. I need to speak to my priest about it and see if its an appropriate thing for a catechumen to do. If I was already Catholic I would totally do it, but it does say at the end of the ā€œinstructionsā€ to go to confession and receive communion, and I obviously canā€™t do that yet.
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jmcrae:
Wouldnā€™t it be extra-cool if you completed it with First Confession and First Holy Communion?
That would be pretty cool, but I was looking at the dates for when you can make the consecration, and none are anywhere near Easter. šŸ˜¦ There is one March 25, but Easter is April 4, so it just missesā€¦ then the next date isnā€™t until July. There are way more dates in the summer and fall, like right now! Though I could do it March 25. Its not much longer until my conversion then. Iā€™ll have to speak to my priest. Thanks for the idea! šŸ™‚
 
Have specific intentions for them, and have them drop off your list when the situation is resolved - other than your parents, spouse, and children, of course - your immediate family members should stay on your list forever. But people you are only acquainted with, just keep them on while their situation is ongoing, and then when itā€™s resolved (or if you never hear back, after a couple of months) have them drop off the list and be replaced with new people.
Thanks, this is a good explanation of how to do it! I usually just write down peopleā€™s names on a sheet of paper, and fold it up in my purse. Then I take it out when I am saying the rosary or at mass. I donā€™t write down the intentions; I figured God knows what these peopleā€™s intentions are better than me, so I just leave it. But Iā€™ve noticed when my priest personally prays for people, he wants to have their full name, even when he prays privately for them. Is there any specific reason for this? Like I said, I am more inclined to just write down the name, whatever portion of it I have (even just a username) and trust that God knows who I am talking about, what is in the personā€™s heart, etcā€¦ but I want to do things the ā€œcorrectā€ wayā€¦ how Catholics do it generally.
 
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