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Gerry_Hunter
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Yes, exactly. Cultures exist and people can enter and leave them. Race doesn’t exits.
And George Weigel doesn’t deal in the concept of race, as one who has read his works will know.
Blessings,
Gerry
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And George Weigel doesn’t deal in the concept of race, as one who has read his works will know.
Blessings,
Gerry
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rlg94086
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That’s ridiculous. Every immigrant group has changed what American culture is all about. My English ancestors weren’t the first one’s here from Europe - my Spanish ancestors were. Their culture was not the same as England’s, nor was my German, French or Dutch ancestor’s cultures. They all influenced and changed American culture. You can’t just lump them all together as European.
What about the contribution of immigrants from Africa? They were here before the founding of our country, and they have also had an influence on our culture. People from all of those backgrounds are Americans, not Europeans. Ask a European, they’ll tell you.
What about the contribution of immigrants from Africa? They were here before the founding of our country, and they have also had an influence on our culture. People from all of those backgrounds are Americans, not Europeans. Ask a European, they’ll tell you.
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cor
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By “race” I mean the “clan” “tribe” “people” one belongs too and that is indeed traced by lineage. To say that races in this sense do not exist is to flatly contradict the Bible which in the book of Revelation speaks of different races or clans worshipping God.
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cor
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But the most important contributions were made by the original thirteen colonies and our founding fathers. All the founding fathers were Caucasian, from Europe. Name one founding father who wasn’t from Europe.
While acknowledging that different individuals and groups made contributions over the years don’t you think that the contribution of our founding fathers is a special or hallowed one in our history?
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cor
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Not all Americans have a lineage that traces back to Europe but the original colonists of the thirteen colonies and all our founding fathers had lineage which traced back to the various European peoples. So culturally speaking, America’s lineage is from Europe and all Americans of whatever race should embrace that lineage and heritage as their own (culturally if not racially).
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Gerry_Hunter
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The Book of Revelation is written in an Apocalyptic form (uniquely, in the New Testament), and must be interpreted as such. In that context, it means familial grouping. Remember, the Jewish people all descended from Abraham, and most clans, tribes, etc., then and for some years later, had a familial kinship.
“Tribe” is tightly, “clan” somewhat more loosely, and “people” not at all, dependent on this lineage. Again, the terms aren’t synonyms, and have nothing to do with “race.”
And by the way, Holy Scripture even points to how plastic those concepts are. Do the words, “Your people will be my people, and your God will be my God” ring a bell? They should. They were uttered by a non-Jewish lady who was an ancestor of a certain Jesus of Nazareth.
Blessings,
Gerry
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rlg94086
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Again, you are mixing culture and race. Our culture is a mix. Predominantly European? Sure. What does that have to do with anything, at all? Our culture is changing, but it will always be American culture, no matter what the changes. And every American is a part of that culture, regardless of their ancestory.
Here is a question for you. Let’s say immigrants from Central and South America eventually outnumber other immigrants. Since their culture is primarily a blend of European influences and Native influences, will our culture still be American? After all, Spanish and Portuguese are European.
You should be encouraging the intermarriage of “whites” with other European-influenced immigrants (Mexicans, Filipinos, Brazilians, etc.). That way we can maintain our culture, right?
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Timothy_486
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First off, I am a big fan of Pat, but while many of the statistics he posts are true, he also doesn’t take into account time curves, where a factor (like population growth) will have high times and will have low times, and will go back and forth. He sees a time right now where the trend is going down and assumes it will stay that way, although he should consider whether it will rise again.
and 2 is NOT below replacement levels, 2 is exactly replacement levels! anything above 2.0 is growth, anything below 2.0 is decline.
And the birthrate is not “far below” for ethnic French! Read the article! it clearly states that the population growth is composed of 80% ethnic French and 20% Immigrants (And even most those immigrants are composed of people from Spain, UK, Eastern Europe, you know, those “White races” you adore so much!)
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Cat
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Google “Thule Society.” or the Guido von List Society. Or Armanenshaft.
I don’t want to post the links. You’ll see why.
This whole discussion gives me the creeps. The supposed science of “race” was the driving force behind the formation of the Nazi party.
I don’t want to post the links. You’ll see why.
This whole discussion gives me the creeps. The supposed science of “race” was the driving force behind the formation of the Nazi party.
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Gerry_Hunter
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Sorry, but as a population biologist, I must correct you.
2 is indeed below replacement level. It would be replacement level if humans reproduced right away after being born. But they must survive to reach reproductive age, and in industrialized civilizations, that means a 2.1 rate is needed for replacement, given the mortality rate. Where conditions are less favourable to survival, the mortality rate is higher and a rate greater than 2.1 is needed for replacement.
Blessings,
Gerry
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cor
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Preserving one’s race (meaning, clan, tribe, people) is important in and of itself. It’s an extended family. And lineage as I said is part of culture. But even if it weren’t it would still be important to preserve one’s race. Not having affection for one’s race is unnatural.
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aimee
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Hey…
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rlg94086
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Right, so as I said, we have a very mixed lineage in America, therefore it is wrong to state that our culture is white European. American culture is distinct from Europe, in that we are more of a melting pot. It has been that way from the founding of our country.
Europe may be becoming more of a melting pot.
How so? I found it completely natural to fall in love with my wife. We are the same species. How is it against nature for two beings of the same species to be attracted to each other?
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Gerry_Hunter
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Right you are.
One of Winston Churchill’s famous speeches – his “finest hour” speech – is often truncated. He speaks of what will happen if Britain lost, and the quote usually stops when he speaks of the world entering a new dark age. What they cut out is his observation that it will be “made even darker by the light of perverted science.”
“Supposed” is quite apt. There is no science of race, just perversions of science to make the concept appear to have a basis.
Blessings,
Gerry
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MichaelTDoyle
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And the racism was built on a psuedoscientific foundation of eugenics and evolution. Two ideas tremendously popular today and discussed with a brutal coolness that should make your hair stand on end right here in these forums.
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cor
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America is part of Western civilization which has its heartland in Europe. All our founding fathers were European. All the colonists and citizens were European. I can’t believe you won’t at least acknowledge a special, prime place for Europe in America’s culture and heritage.
What you wrote here is a bit of a non-sequitur. I spoke of affection for one’s race, not sexual affection. I never said it was against nature for a white person and a non-white person to be attracted to each other. What I said here was that it was unnatural to not have affection for one’s race.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/affection
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rlg94086
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There were Africans and Native Americans here at the time of our country’s founding. Are you saying they don’t count because they weren’t citizens?
I already acknowledged that our culture’s history is “predominantly European.” Big whoop. Our culture’s history is also predominantly Protestant, but that is changing too. Should I have more affection for Protestantism, since our culture was based on it?
Again, the countries in South and Central America were founded by Spaniards and Portuguese, so they are also European and part of Western Civilization. You should embrace the immigration from those countries. It is helping to keep us “pure.”
Sorry for misunderstanding. “Affection for one’s race” is a foreign concept to me. It makes no sense whatsoever.
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