Study the Qur’an?

  • Thread starter Thread starter CEDRIK
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Every Christian? Someone posted the comments of Christian saints before on Islam and they weren’t very confused. I am not very confused as are a number of people on this board. Granted there are some Christians who might be confused or ignorant because they don’t know enough about Islam but that’s because they have focused their time on learning the truth of Christianity more than the falsehood of Islam.

Also Bahai have not unified anything, their very existence has caused more division in the world.
Well the evidence was presented by Jimmy.

I gave all the quotes basically showing that the Islamic God is the same God of Christianity, yet Jimmy posted quotes stating the opposite.

So which is it for you?

Then I will show you Catholic teaching that states that Islam is guided by the Holy Spirit 🙂

.
 
Well the evidence was presented by Jimmy.

I gave all the quotes basically showing that the Islamic God is the same God of Christianity, yet Jimmy posted quotes stating the opposite.

So which is it for you?

Then I will show you Catholic teaching that states that Islam is guided by the Holy Spirit 🙂

.
Islam is not guided by the Holy Spirit since islam denies the Holy Trinity
 
Because I don’t believe in islam and baha’i faith or muhammad and bahá’u’lláh/mírzá husayn-`alí núrí doesn’t make me “confused”. Wholeheartedly I believe in Christianity and I hold true to what Christ is. Hopefully that will clear up some confused you may have about me Servant
You don’t have to BELIEVE in Islam or the Baha’i Faith but what is the Christian approach to these religions? To call them manifestations of Evil???

.
 
You don’t have to BELIEVE in Islam or the Baha’i Faith but what is the Christian approach to these religions? To call them manifestations of Evil???

.
And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people.

That’s… all we are saying… nothing more, nothing less.
 
According to a Catholic Document the Holy Spirit works through other religions.

PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR INTER-RELIGIOUS DIALOGUE
DIALOGUE AND PROCLAMATION


Reflection And Orientations On Interreligious Dialogue
And The Proclamation Of The Gospel Of Jesus Christ (1)
  1. The mystery of the unity of all mankind
First comes the fact that the whole of humankind forms one family, due to the common origin of all men and women, created by God in his own image. Correspondingly, all are called to a common destiny, the fullness of life in God. Moreover, there is but one plan of salvation for humankind, with its centre in Jesus Christ, who in his incarnation “has united himself in a certain manner to every person” (RH 13; cf. GS 22.2). **Finally, there needs to be mentioned the active presence of the Holy Spirit in the religious life of the members of the other religious traditions. **From all this the Pope concludes to a “mystery of unity” which was manifested clearly at Assisi, “in spite of the differences between religious professions.”(13)
 
And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people.

That’s… all we are saying… nothing more, nothing less.
True but who are they? It doesn’t say all prophets will be false does it? So that means true prophets will come. And then it says by their fruits Ye shall know them. A good tree doesn’t bring forth bad forth and a bad tree doesn’t bring forth good fruit.

So what’s the Bible definition of what is good and what is bad and let’s see who is true and who is false?? It gives the criteria not just says to accept or accuse all so we should use the criteria given by the Bible to ‘test the spirits whether they are of God or not’.
 
According to a Catholic Document the Holy Spirit works through other religions.

PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR INTER-RELIGIOUS DIALOGUE
DIALOGUE AND PROCLAMATION


Reflection And Orientations On Interreligious Dialogue
And The Proclamation Of The Gospel Of Jesus Christ (1)
  1. The mystery of the unity of all mankind
First comes the fact that the whole of humankind forms one family, due to the common origin of all men and women, created by God in his own image. Correspondingly, all are called to a common destiny, the fullness of life in God. Moreover, there is but one plan of salvation for humankind, with its centre in Jesus Christ, who in his incarnation “has united himself in a certain manner to every person” (RH 13; cf. GS 22.2). **Finally, there needs to be mentioned the active presence of the Holy Spirit in the religious life of the members of the other religious traditions. **From all this the Pope concludes to a “mystery of unity” which was manifested clearly at Assisi, “in spite of the differences between religious professions.”(13)
But does islam believe in the Holy Trinity?
 
According to a Catholic Document the Holy Spirit works through other religions.

PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR INTER-RELIGIOUS DIALOGUE
DIALOGUE AND PROCLAMATION


Reflection And Orientations On Interreligious Dialogue
And The Proclamation Of The Gospel Of Jesus Christ (1)
  1. The mystery of the unity of all mankind
First comes the fact that the whole of humankind forms one family, due to the common origin of all men and women, created by God in his own image. Correspondingly, all are called to a common destiny, the fullness of life in God. Moreover, there is but one plan of salvation for humankind, with its centre in Jesus Christ, who in his incarnation “has united himself in a certain manner to every person” (RH 13; cf. GS 22.2). **Finally, there needs to be mentioned the active presence of the Holy Spirit in the religious life of the members of the other religious traditions. **From all this the Pope concludes to a “mystery of unity” which was manifested clearly at Assisi, “in spite of the differences between religious professions.”(13)
“Do you believe that man is created in the image of God?
Muslims do not believe man is created in the image of God’s essence. God does not physically look like human beings or have the inherent limitations of humanity. He does not have arms and legs as we do, nor is He of flesh and blood. The Qur’an reveals that God is not like any of His creatures in essence. [QUR’AN, 112:1–4]”

islamicteaching.info/faq-items/do-muslims-believe-in-man-being-created-in-the-image-of-god/
 
Genesis 22: 2 : Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love–Isaac–and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”

So which Bible are you using WC? Or is the Quran not clear about Abraham taking Isaac? Still waiting for clarity about the Quran on this.

MJ
The Quran doesn’t actually state which son was sacrificed…See Surih As-Saffat Ayat 100:

*And he said, "Verily, I repair to my Lord who will guide me:

O Lord give me a son, of the righteous."

We announced to him a youth of meekness.

37:100 And when he became a full-grown youth,

His father said to him, “My son, I have seen in a dream that I should
sacrifice thee; therefore, consider what thou seest right.”

He said, “My father, do what thou art bidden; of the patient, if God
please, shalt thou find me.”

And when they had surrendered them to the will of God, he laid him down
upon his forehead:

We cried unto him, "O Abraham!

Now hast thou satisfied the vision,." See how we recompense the
righteous.

This was indeed a decisive test.

And we ransomed his son with a costly victim,

And we left this for him among posterity,

“Peace be on Abraham!”
The interesting thing to me about the above verses is that it clearly indicates Abraham consulted with His son and they together agreed on the sacrifice. Many believe it was Ishmael rather than Isaac but the important point is that Abraham agreed to the sacrifice of His son even after years of being childless!

The Bible verse quoted above (Genesis 22:2) is interesting as according to the Bible Ishmael was the first born and “only son” of several years…
 
Catechism of the Catholic Church 65
65 "In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son."26 Christ, the Son of God made man, is the Father’s one, perfect and unsurpassable Word. In him he has said everything; there will be no other word than this one. St. John of the Cross, among others, commented strikingly on Hebrews 1:1-2:
In giving us his Son, his only Word (for he possesses no other), he spoke everything to us at once in this sole Word - and he has no more to say. . . because what he spoke before to the prophets in parts, he has now spoken all at once by giving us the All Who is His Son. Any person questioning God or desiring some vision or revelation would be guilty not only of foolish behavior but also of offending him, by not fixing his eyes entirely upon Christ and by living with the desire for some other novelty.
Where in Heb 1 does it say that God will not speak to us again through a Prophet?

.
 
But does islam believe in the Holy Trinity?
Hi Jimmy,

The Quran believes in the Divinity of God and the Divinity of Christ and the Divinity of the Holy Spirit but it does not understand that they join together to form 3 Gods but constitute a ‘relationship’ between the three.

So God sent Christ to the earth endowed with the Holy Spirit.

The Quran does not call it a trinity but of course accepts God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit it just clarifies that they are not 3 Gods as in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
 
And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people.

That’s… all we are saying… nothing more, nothing less.
And Baha’u’llah is not one of them.

That’s… all we are saying… nothing more, nothing less. 🙂

(P.S you have said A LOT more than that in the past Techno…maybe a reason to pause for reflection?)
.
 
“Do you believe that man is created in the image of God?
Muslims do not believe man is created in the image of God’s essence. God does not physically look like human beings or have the inherent limitations of humanity. He does not have arms and legs as we do, nor is He of flesh and blood. The Qur’an reveals that God is not like any of His creatures in essence. [QUR’AN, 112:1–4]”

islamicteaching.info/faq-items/do-muslims-believe-in-man-being-created-in-the-image-of-god/
The key word is “Essence”

Man is created in the IMAGE of God. An image is NOT the essence.

Islam affirms this…

.
 
The Quran doesn’t actually state which son was sacrificed…See Surih As-Saffat Ayat 100:

*And he said, "Verily, I repair to my Lord who will guide me:

O Lord give me a son, of the righteous."

We announced to him a youth of meekness.

37:100 And when he became a full-grown youth,

His father said to him, “My son, I have seen in a dream that I should
sacrifice thee; therefore, consider what thou seest right.”

He said, “My father, do what thou art bidden; of the patient, if God
please, shalt thou find me.”

And when they had surrendered them to the will of God, he laid him down
upon his forehead:

We cried unto him, "O Abraham!

Now hast thou satisfied the vision,." See how we recompense the
righteous.

This was indeed a decisive test.

And we ransomed his son with a costly victim,

And we left this for him among posterity,

“Peace be on Abraham!”
The interesting thing to me about the above verses is that it clearly indicates Abraham consulted with His son and they together agreed on the sacrifice. Many believe it was Ishmael rather than Isaac but the important point is that Abraham agreed to the sacrifice of His son even after years of being childless!

The Bible verse quoted above (Genesis 22:2) is interesting as according to the Bible Ishmael was the first born and “only son” of several years…
So studying the Quran doesn’t give the answer? One has to refer to question the Bible? What does the Quran say about the Bible?

MJ
 
So studying the Quran doesn’t give the answer? One has to refer to question the Bible? What does the Quran say about the Bible?

MJ
"He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel."
Code:
(The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura   3 - The Family Of Imran)
😉
 
"He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel."
Code:
(The Qur'an (Pickthall tr), Sura   3 - The Family Of Imran)
😉
But don’t the Torah and Gospel say Isaac. Can the Quran trace when the change happened? Also which Gospel?

MJ
 
True but who are they? It doesn’t say all prophets will be false does it? So that means true prophets will come. And then it says by their fruits Ye shall know them. A good tree doesn’t bring forth bad forth and a bad tree doesn’t bring forth good fruit.

.
Correction… It says Matthew 24:11 “Many false prophets will arise; they will deceive many,” . It doesn’t say more prophets are to come. Its saying false prophets will come. So you saying " So that means true prophets will come" isn’t necessarily true
 
Correction… It says Matthew 24:11 “Many false prophets will arise; they will deceive many,” . It doesn’t say more prophets are to come. Its saying false prophets will come. So you saying " So that means true prophets will come" isn’t necessarily true
Unless you contrast it with 1 John 4:1 “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.”

If all prophets are false, there should not be an instruction to test anything…

Also, an unanswered question. Where in Heb 1 does it say that God will not speak to us again through a Prophet, or that He has “no more to say”?

.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top