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Techno2000
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I totally agree with you Tony, but you can’t expect the Catholic Church to start teaching Reincarnation can you ?
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JimmyDFG
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If the quran is true, then islam is false. Why? Because the quran says to trust the Gospels, but the four Gospels contradict the quran. This means the quran can’t be true if it says the gospel message is also true.Nostradamus was an interesting person, but I was referring to the Bible (Old & new testament), the Koran and the Baha’i Writings, These being the recorded Word of God, they can not be faulted
God Bess and Regards Tony
None can change allah’s words
6:34, “Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.”
6:115, “The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.”
18:27, “And recite (and teach) what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord: none can change His Words, and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him.”
Moses was given the Torah
2:87, “We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?–Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!”
3:3, “It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).”
Jesus was given the gospel
57:27, “Then, in their wake, We followed them up with (others of) Our messengers: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy. But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them: (We commanded) only the seeking for the Good Pleasure of allah; but that they did not foster as they should have done. Yet We bestowed, on those among them who believed, their (due) reward, but many of them are rebellious transgressors.”
Ask Christians about spiritual things
10:94, “If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.”
Curse on those who say God has a son
9:30, “The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!”
If the quran confirms the Gospels which say that Jesus was crucified and the quran says Jesus was not crucified (surah 4:157), then the quran is false. But if it says that the Gospels are false, then the quran denies its own teaching, and islam is false.
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Deuteronomy 13:1-4
1 'Whatever I am now commanding you, you must keep and observe, adding nothing to it, taking nothing away."
2 'If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you, offering you some sign or wonder,"
3 and the sign or wonder comes about; and if he then says to you, “Let us follow other gods (hitherto unknown to you) and serve them,”
4 “you must not listen to that prophet’s words or to that dreamer’s dreams. Yahweh your God is testing you to know if you love Yahweh your God with all your heart and all your soul.”
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Techno2000
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And they get the Trinity all wrong…Epic Fail !!!
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TonyBS
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No and it does not have to.
I like it that it can be see that Reincarnation is based on what is of God in the Bible.That the current meaning is not in Line with what Christ has said can be seen in two ways. You could say the teaching has been subject alteration with mans understanding and/or that Christianity is not looking at what this could mean by using the Bible.
It could be seen that the ‘Return of Elijah’ is a concept of why Reincarnation is believed. That this Spiritual event has been made by man a Material Event.
Personally I can see how and why this teaching came about, but do believe it has been misunderstood.
The Koran contains many passages explaining this Spiritual Return as well.
Regards Tony
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MartinJordan
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Anybody find out what the Qur’an say about honoring the Cross?
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worldcitizen
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Dear techno,
I really didn’t mean it that way which is why I omitted the rest of the passage. My sincerest
and humblest apologies.
Christ would repeatedly say things like He that hath an ear let him hear and eyes let him see.
I’m here as a guest. Your forum rules state clearly NOT to proselytize or try and convert anyone. So I’m respecting that and I’m not here to do that but just to promote love for all humanity, all races and try to reconcile misunderstandings between religions to build bridges between peoples.
There are movements arising whose sole intention is to turn humanity against itself and evil arises only where the good don’t speak out.
So if by sharing our different understandings we can build bridges across the oceans of misunderstandings between east and west and be voices for good promoting love for all mankind then humanity hopefully will be the better for it I would hope.
But if we don’t care then darkness will envelop the world and I think that if everyone accepted all humanity as their family then we wouldn’t have wars and hatreds.
So by all of us saying in our heart 'all things are of God" then that one stance can unite us and banish all wars and disputes remove hate and prejudice from all hearts and people can have true peace and harmony.
“Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.” (Mark 10:18)
humanity cannot unite around our differences but around God we can. So shouldn’t it follow that Buddhist, Hindus, Jews, Muslims and Christians stop saying we are good but that ’ no one is good but One - God???
If like Christ we do not exalt our brand of theocracy but exalt God alone as GOOD as Christ said then all conflicts and hatreds would cease GUARANTEED.
What’s the pope say? You get your light from Jesus and what does Jesus say when praised and is exalted? He refutes people exalting Him and refers thrm to exalt only God because only God is good…
“Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God”.(Mark 10:17)
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worldcitizen
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That is so beautiful and true and what is needed so urgently today so we can accept the good in others and finally have a peaceful world. Things like this need to be promoted and discussed because there ARE evil forces out there intent on turning humanity against itself and the respected Vatican clearly does not support that in this wonderful document.
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Techno2000
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Man will Prey on Man, until Man Prays for Man.
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worldcitizen
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The Quran pays the greatest tribute to Jesus by calling Him the ‘Messiah’. As to the cross, Muslims have different traditions in how they express their beliefs like Catholics do but in the Quran of 1.6 billion Muslims, Jesus is known as the ‘Messiah’.
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worldcitizen
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Wonderful definition!!
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Techno2000
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Believe or not… I got that from a NDE story I read .
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JimmyDFG
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Its right there in black and white. Unless some so called prophets will change itJimmy - All in the way we look at it it dear friend in God
Regards Tony
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TonyBS
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Ye that is for you to decide.
Personally I have found great Bounty in trying to understand the Message of Muhammad and its application in today’s world.
It is as relevant today as it ever was, as is the Bible.
Regards Tony
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JimmyDFG
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Does islam or the quran honor the Holy Trinity?
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JimmyDFG
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No Frame of Reference at all. Jesus has spokenYes this is all so
Its about 'Frame of Reference".
Regards Tony
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Here’s a reference about Jeus being the Messiah in the Quran.
3:45 When the angels said, “O Mary, truly God gives thee glad tidings of a Word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, high honored in this world and the Hereafter,
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