Study the Qur’an?

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Baha’u’llah was just one of many who Channeled Demon spirits , a true Christian can see right through this.
Dear Techno,

You know that 1.6 billion Arabs wouldn’t have believed in Jesus and the Bible if it weren’t for Muhammad?? Muhammad did a lot for Christianity.

I can’t understand why other beliefs are condemned. The Muslims have converted 1.6 billion to accept Jesus who otherwise wouldn’t have.

Other religions accept Christ so why are they evil? They only teach good.
 
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Maybe our dear Catholic friends are unaware (I’ve studied your religion for a while now :D)

May I offer some advice from some historical figures who you may respect somewhat! 🙂

And another two centuries after that…

And finally:

🙂

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“Whoever does not embrace the Catholic Christian faith is lost, like your false prophet Muhammad.”-St. Peter Mavimenus (d. 8th century), martyr from Gaza. Response reported in the Martyriologum Romanum when he was asked to convert to Islam by a group of Muslims.

“There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites which to this day prevails and keeps people in error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist…. From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of veneration.”
-St. John Damascene (d. 749), Syrian Arab Catholic monk and scholar. Quoted from his book On Heresies under the section On the Heresy of the Ishmaelites (in The Fathers of the Church. Vol. 37. Translated by the Catholic University of America. CUA Press. 1958. Pages 153-160.)

“We profess Christ to be truly God and your prophet to be a precursor of the Antichrist and other profane doctrine.”
-Sts. Habenitus, Jeremiah, Peter, Sabinian, Walabonsus, and Wistremundus (d. 851), martyrs of Cordoba, Spain. Reported in the Memoriale Sanctorum in response to Spanish Umayyad Caliph ‘Abd Ar-Rahman II’s ministers that they convert to Islam on pain of death.

“Any cult which denies the divinity of Christ, does not profess the existence of the Holy Trinity, refutes baptism, defames Christians, and derogates the priesthood, we consider to be damned.”
-Sts. Aurelius, Felix, George, Liliosa, and Natalia (d. 852), martyrs of Cordoba, Spain. Reported in the Memoriale Sanctorum in response to Spanish Umayyad Caliph ‘Abd Ar-Rahman II’s ministers that they convert to Islam on pain of death.

“On the other hand, those who founded sects committed to erroneous doctrines proceeded in a way that is opposite to this, the point is clear in the case of Muhammad. He seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh goads us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity. He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the contrary, Muhammad said that he was sent in the power of his arms—which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants.”
-St. Thomas Aquinas (d. 1274), Theologian and Doctor of the Church. Quoted from his De Rationibus Fidei Contra Saracenos, Graecos, et Armenos and translated from Fr. Damian Fehlner’s Aquinas on Reasons for the Faith: Against the Muslims, Greeks, and Armenians (Franciscans of the Immaculate. 2002.).

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“As we have seen, Muhammed had neither supernatural miracles nor natural motives of reason to persuade those of his sect. As he lacked in everything, he took to bestial and barbaric means, which is the force of arms. Thus he introduced and promulgated his message with robberies, murders, and bloodshedding, destroying those who did not want to receive it, and with the same means his ministers conserve this today, until God placates his anger and destroys this pestilence from the earth.
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(Muhammad) can also be figured for the dragon in the same Apocalypse which says that the dragon swept up a third of the stars and hurled down a third to earth. Although this line is more appropriately understood concerning the Antichrist, Mohammed was his precursor – the prophet of Satan, father of the sons of haughtiness.
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Even if all the things contained in his law were fables in philosophy and errors in theology, even for those who do not possess the light of reason, the very manners (Islam) teaches are from a school of vicious bestialities. (Muhammad) did not prove his new sect with any motive, having neither supernatural miracles nor natural reasons, but solely the force of arms, violence, fictions, lies, and carnal license. It remains an impious, blasphemous, vicious cult, an innovention of the devil, and the direct way into the fires of hell. It does not even merit the name of being called a religion.”

-St. Juan de Ribera (d.1611), Archbishop of Valencia, missionary to Spanish Muslims, and organizer of the Muslim expulsions of 1609 from Spain. Quoted in several locations from his 1599 Catechismo para la Instruccion de los Nuevos Convertidos de los Moros (my translation).

“The Mahometan paradise, however, is only fit for beasts; for filthy sensual pleasure is all the believer has to expect there.”
St. Alfonsus Liguori (d. 1787). Quoted from his book, The History of Heresies and their Refutation.

onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/
 
Dear Techno,

You know that 1.6 billion Arabs wouldn’t have believed in Jesus and the Bible if it weren’t for Muhammad?? Muhammad did a lot for Christianity.

I can’t understand why other beliefs are condemned. The Muslims have converted 1.6 billion to accept Jesus who otherwise wouldn’t have.

Other religions accept Christ so why are they evil? They only teach good.
Yeah, but it’s the wrong Jesus.
 
Dear Techno,

You know that 1.6 billion Arabs wouldn’t have believed in Jesus and the Bible if it weren’t for Muhammad?? Muhammad did a lot for Christianity.

I can’t understand why other beliefs are condemned. The Muslims have converted 1.6 billion to accept Jesus who otherwise wouldn’t have.

Other religions accept Christ so why are they evil? They only teach good.
I believe muhammad had lead people astray from the true meaning of Christ and away from Christianity… Also islam is in full denial of the Holy Trinity. Muhammad did nothing good for Christianity(In my opinion) . Did muhammad believe in the Apostles Creed …

“I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord: Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary; suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.”
 
No they don’t claim exclusive rights to the Word of God. The Word is for all.
It’s written in English for a reason, with multiple translations so the original meaning may be grasped.

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Why is it said that the quran is best read and understood in Arabic?
 
Why is it said that the quran is best read and understood in Arabic?
There is a lot of Arabic words that have no Meaning in English Translation.

It would be good for a translator to comment on this as they could explain. The Net could give the answer 😉

Regards Tony
 
“As we have seen, Muhammed had neither supernatural miracles nor natural motives of reason to persuade those of his sect. As he lacked in everything, he took to bestial and barbaric means, which is the force of arms. Thus he introduced and promulgated his message with robberies, murders, and bloodshedding, destroying those who did not want to receive it, and with the same means his ministers conserve this today, until God placates his anger and destroys this pestilence from the earth.
…]
(Muhammad) can also be figured for the dragon in the same Apocalypse which says that the dragon swept up a third of the stars and hurled down a third to earth. Although this line is more appropriately understood concerning the Antichrist, Mohammed was his precursor – the prophet of Satan, father of the sons of haughtiness.
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Even if all the things contained in his law were fables in philosophy and errors in theology, even for those who do not possess the light of reason, the very manners (Islam) teaches are from a school of vicious bestialities. (Muhammad) did not prove his new sect with any motive, having neither supernatural miracles nor natural reasons, but solely the force of arms, violence, fictions, lies, and carnal license. It remains an impious, blasphemous, vicious cult, an innovention of the devil, and the direct way into the fires of hell. It does not even merit the name of being called a religion.”

-St. Juan de Ribera (d.1611), Archbishop of Valencia, missionary to Spanish Muslims, and organizer of the Muslim expulsions of 1609 from Spain. Quoted in several locations from his 1599 Catechismo para la Instruccion de los Nuevos Convertidos de los Moros (my translation).

“The Mahometan paradise, however, is only fit for beasts; for filthy sensual pleasure is all the believer has to expect there.”
St. Alfonsus Liguori (d. 1787). Quoted from his book, The History of Heresies and their Refutation.

onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/
And… Dante saw Muhammad in the eighth circle of Hell .
 
Yeah, but it’s the wrong Jesus.
Also reference to JimmyDFG postings.

Or Muhammad is from God, gave the message God Covernanted and those who rejected it are as per Bible Prophesy.

It could be these attitudes of superiority and Exclusive priority of belief are actually feeding the Worlds demise.

If one had the chance to reverse this trend, would one pass it over without due consideration?

Regards Tony.
 
How do you know that Dante didn’t have a true Mystical experience, there have been Saints taken down, and shown Hell.
 
Also reference to JimmyDFG postings.

Or Muhammad is from God, gave the message God Covernanted and those who rejected it are as per Bible Prophesy.

It could be these attitudes of superiority and Exclusive priority of belief are actually feeding the Worlds demise.

If one had the chance to reverse this trend, would one pass it over without due consideration?

Regards Tony.
Is ones belief in his or her faith an attitude of superiority?
 
Is ones belief in his or her faith an attitude of superiority?
I understand what you are saying. Please know that what I have found in life is that self values its existence far above what we give credit to.

Yes we practice our Faith with the aim of surrendering our will to God, what we have not realised is how far Materialism has taken us from this true path. We are all entrapped and we all contribute to this decaying world.

To tip the balance in these last days is what all the Holy Books have been given to us for. For us all, Very Very blessed times Very Very great the tests that accompany this privlage.

Regards Tony
 
Why is it said that the quran is best read and understood in Arabic?
Simply because that’s the language it was originally revealed in and in translation meanings are lost. No other language on earth is as rich as Arabic.
 
Simply because that’s the language it was originally revealed in and in translation meanings are lost. No other language on earth is as rich as Arabic.
Jesus spoke Arabic, and his meanings aren’t lost in translation, plus the Bible is much older than the Koran , what’s the matter God can’t protect Muhammad’s word ?
 
Jesus spoke Arabic, and his meanings aren’t lost in translation, plus the Bible is much older than the Koran , what’s the matter God can’t protect Muhammad’s word ?
How do you know that meaning has not been lost in Translation.

“Glory of God” is one example.

Regards Tony
 
Simply because that’s the language it was originally revealed in and in translation meanings are lost. No other language on earth is as rich as Arabic.
As Servant19 said…
“No they don’t claim exclusive rights to the Word of God. The Word is for all.
It’s written in English for a reason, with multiple translations so the original meaning may be grasped.”

Thoughts??
 
So do you believe that all problems that we find in Islam can be attributed to just a bad translations ?
 
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