Study the Qur’an?

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Servant19 said:
Where in Heb 1 does it say that God will not speak to us again through a Prophet?

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As its mentioned in the beginning of 65 “In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets” In the Book of Hebrews it states the priesthood of Jesus. Hebrews 7:20-24
20 Now the former priests became priests without any oath being sworn,

21 but this one with the swearing of an oath by him who said to him, The Lord has sworn an oath he will never retract: you are a priest for ever;

22 the very fact that it occurred with the swearing of an oath makes the covenant of which Jesus is the guarantee all the greater.

23 Further, the former priests were many in number, because death put an end to each one of them;

24 but this one, because he remains for ever, has a perpetual priesthood.

So with that why would there be any need for it to change? As such, the prophetic message of the coming of the Messiah and the salvation of humanity is done. When God speaks as definitively as was done as Christ, the central message of the Messiah’s message: salvation, is complete. Why would God send a lesser messenger after God the Son Himself for this specific mission?
 
Servant19 said:
Where in Heb 1 does it say that God will not speak to us again through a Prophet?

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Catechism of the Catholic Church
66 "The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ."28 Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.
 
worldcitizen said:
Hi Jimmy,

The Quran believes in the Divinity of God and the Divinity of Christ and the Divinity of the Holy Spirit but it does not understand that they join together to form 3 Gods but constitute a ‘relationship’ between the three.

So God sent Christ to the earth endowed with the Holy Spirit.

The Quran does not call it a trinity but of course accepts God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit it just clarifies that they are not 3 Gods as in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
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There is not “3 Gods” . The 3 share the same Holy divinity which makes them God
 
worldcitizen said:
Hi Jimmy,

The Quran believes in the Divinity of God and the Divinity of Christ and the Divinity of the Holy Spirit but it does not understand that they join together to form 3 Gods but constitute a ‘relationship’ between the three.

So God sent Christ to the earth endowed with the Holy Spirit.

The Quran does not call it a trinity but of course accepts God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit it just clarifies that they are not 3 Gods as in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
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catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/explaining-the-trinity
 
JimmyDFG said:
Catechism of the Catholic Church
66 "The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ."28 Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.
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Firstly the Revelations do no Correct or Surpass the Revelations of the Old and New Testament. They Fulfill the same as the New does with the Old Testament.

What they do do as tje Koran did, is correct the above misconceptions of man that have repeated themselves up to the year 1844.

The Jews, Christians and Muslims all Claim Finality all wait for the Promised day.

It is foretold in all those books

It came and started in 1844. It will no go away 😉

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
Firstly the Revelations do no Correct or Surpass the Revelations of the Old and New Testament. They Fulfill the same as the New does with the Old Testament.

What they do do as tje Koran did, is correct the above misconceptions of man that have repeated themselves up to the year 1844.

The Jews, Christians and Muslims all Claim Finality all wait for the Promised day.

It is foretold in all those books

It came and started in 1844. It will no go away 😉

Regards Tony
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You believe Christianity has it wrong?
 
TonyBS said:
What they do do as tje Koran did, is correct the above misconceptions of man that have repeated themselves up to the year 1844.

Regards Tony
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**Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.

**Tony, you are contradicting yourself.
 
JimmyDFG said:
You believe Christianity has it wrong?
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How would you view the Jews response to the message of Christ and you will have the answer for you.

For me I believe the Christians have misses out on the Revelation of Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah and I am just sad that the full beauty is lost to them at this time.

Regards Tony
 
Techno2000 said:
Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.

Tony, you are contradicting yourself.
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You did not understand what I said.

So we will leave it there

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
You did not understand what I said.

So we will leave it there

Regards Tony
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The fact is… this Statement by the CCC… Nail it, there is no way of getting around it.

Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to** surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such**** “revelations”.**
 
TonyBS said:
How would you view the Jews response to the message of Christ and you will have the answer for you.

For me I believe the Christians have misses out on the Revelation of Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah and I am just sad that the full beauty is lost to them at this time.

Regards Tony
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Aren’t we missing out on the Revelation of …Krishna, Zoroaster, and Buddha also ?
 
Techno2000 said:
This is so Vague.:rolleyes:
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Bahaism is a vague religion.
But thats what happens with a man made religion that tries to melt all other religions together. You end up with vagueness and the nonsense arguments our prosyletying Bahai friends come out with on these forums.
 
MartinJordan said:
Consubstantial with the Father?

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Jesus does say ‘My father and I are one’ and also says ‘my father is greater than I’

And also 'why thou callest me good there is none good but one that is Go?

Son of Man, bread of life,the way the truth and the life.

Consubstantial…

Now, if we were to say that we saw the Sun in two mirrors—one Christ and the other the Holy Spirit—or, in other words, that we have seen three Suns—one in heaven and two on the earth, that would be true. And if we were to say that there is only one Sun that would also be true.

That is my understanding of ‘the Father is in the Sun’.Not that God literally broke up into 3 pieces as there is only one God but the 3 in one is feasible using the above example.

So God is in every person’s or believers heart but He doesn’t break up into 2 billion pieces to do that but our hearts are like mirrors reflecting His Image. He is still within us in that sense.
 
Techno2000 said:
This is so Vague.:rolleyes:
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Really - It says if you turn away from the Koran or any message from God, you have have in fact turned away from Christ, that is you have rejected Christ for all time :eek:

How clear is that, not something to play word games with I would think, something to consider or as said turn away from 🤷

God Bless your decision, because it is only God that puts Faith in a Heart, none of it is because our worthiness 😊 😉

Regards Tony
 
castle_hunter said:
Bahaism is a vague religion.
But thats what happens with a man made religion that tries to melt all other religions together. You end up with vagueness and the nonsense arguments our prosyletying Bahai friends come out with on these forums.
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See above

The Baha’i are here to balance the ignorance of not appreciating the beauty in all religions. The most likely unintended ignorance shown in the statement you posted. 😉

You could call it proselyting, or just consider it as it is offered - That is good advice that Christ Loves all. Proselyting such an overused word, especially as we are discussing alternate religious view. 😉

In Gods Love always - Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
See above

The Baha’i are here to balance the ignorance of not appreciating the beauty in all religions. The ignorance shown in the statement you posted.

You could call it proselyting, or just consider it as it is offered - That is good advice that Christ Loves all. Proselyting such an overused word, especially as we are discussing alternate religious view. 😉

In Gods Love always - Regards Tony
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if it’s ignorance your after then you’ve achieved your goal.
your knowledge of all religions you talk of is laughable and insulting.
but hey Ho, all we can do is point out truth to you. Truth is beautiful.
If you choose to reject it and stay in your ignorance then that is your choice.
 
castle_hunter said:
if it’s ignorance your after then you’ve achieved your goal.
your knowledge of all religions you talk of is laughable and insulting.
but hey Ho, all we can do is point out truth to you. Truth is beautiful.
If you choose to reject it and stay in your ignorance then that is your choice.
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I am very Happy to leave this conversation there - God Bless you and your Faith and all here that share that view.

If I meet you on the street I will give you a hug as I relish with all my heart and soul the Ignorance, in fact there is nothing in the world I would exchange for it 😉

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
I am very Happy to leave this conversation there - God Bless you and your Faith and all here that share that view.

If I meet you on the street I will give you a hug as I relish with all my heart and soul the Ignorance 😉

Regards Tony
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Please don’t hug me.
I pray you will come to truth so that you can be happy.
I also pray you may mature a bit in your answers. Your deliberate misinterpreting and baiting of people show a lack of humility and spirituality.
 
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