Stunning: Text of Bishop Williamson's Apology

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cathguy said:
Jesus Christ is my Lord and My God.

Are you saying because I defy those who would deny the Shoah I am somehow denying Christ?

Please clarify.
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So sorry, I didn’t mean to give that impression. I’m not saying that at all, I was just responding to the statements:

I think that you are not interested in what the Holy Father has to say , only what you think

He is Peter, not you

Sorry for the confusion
 
cathguy said:
I am sorry brother. I still do not trust you.

I just received a private message from one of your friends asking me to discuss the Protocols of Zion in private. I asked you specifically about the Protocols, and you ignored me entirely. I think you are sidestepping.

If I am going to dialog with you, you are going to have to be open and honest… in public.

Please answer my initial question:

If the Bishop is not anti-semitic, how can you explain his promoting the known forgery called “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.” I will not dialog further until I get straight and public answers to my questions.
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funny…in the post you asked me about the Protocols, I notice that you did not even attempt to answer the questions I had asked you one post above. and I’m sidestepping?

you’re right…quid quo pro…you want a lot of answers, but you are good at avoiding answering questions put to you. when you have done that, I’ll address your questions.
 
cathguy,

you didn’t strike me as paranoid until just now. good grief. for someone’s who’s whined about accusations being thrown at him you sure don’t mind dishing it out. I’m rather insulted that you’re accusing me of being insincere simply because…? What exactly?

What are the protocols of the elders of Zion and what do they say? You mentioned that they’ve been refuted as false. By whom? Just curious.

I didn’t want to divert the thread much, but I guess I have to. Happy now?:rolleyes:
 
Well, this thread is doomed I see.

Someone here is intent on seeing it closed, so I won’t waste much time or keystrokes.

The Devil has had his day, and he’s fueling this attack on the Church by the media in a desperate last stand. And it’s sad to see Catholics who can’t see this pouring gas on the fire.

This isn’t about anti-semitism, it’s about anti-Catholicism.

The thought of a Tridentine Church is sending chills down the spines of those who hate the Church, and the wolves within Her.
 
cathguy said:
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I just received a private message from one of your friends asking me to discuss the Protocols of Zion in private. I asked you specifically about the Protocols, and you ignored me entirely. I think you are sidestepping.

If I am going to dialog with you, you are going to have to be open and honest… in public.
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Let’s get something straight. I asked you a question. Keep paranoid allegations to yourself. You could make that smart-mouthed insinuation if you two had been PMing, but since the protocol issue was posted in the public forum, why do you find it so impossible that I, you know, read it myself? If you don’t have an answer, say you don’t have an answer, but don’t go attacking my integrity or that of another here just because you don’t agree with or like us.

:mad: :rolleyes:
 
latinmasslover said:
Let’s get something straight. I asked you a question. Keep paranoid allegations to yourself. You could make that smart-mouthed insinuation if you two had been PMing, but since the protocol issue was posted in the public forum, why do you find it so impossible that I, you know, read it myself? If you don’t have an answer, say you don’t have an answer, but don’t go attacking my integrity or that of another here just because you don’t agree with or like us.

:mad: :rolleyes:
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The Protocols of Zion is a book claiming the Jews are out to destroy the Church. It is a lie. It has been used to fuel anti-semitism and hatred, and Bishop Williamson supports its use.

The Jews have been the victims of pogroms and Shoah. This is wrong. There is no defense for these evil acts.

I am done with this forum. I will pray for the Pope. I will pray for anyone who hates Jews.
 
I_Believe said:
Well, this thread is doomed I see.

Someone here is intent on seeing it closed, so I won’t waste much time or keystrokes.

The Devil has had his day, and he’s fueling this attack on the Church by the media in a desperate last stand. And it’s sad to see Catholics who can’t see this pouring gas on the fire.

This isn’t about anti-semitism, it’s about anti-Catholicism.

The thought of a Tridentine Church is sending chills down the spines of those who hate the Church, and the wolves within Her.
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It’s about blindness and intolerance, and there seems to be plenty of that on all sides concerned.
 
cathguy said:
The Protocols of Zion is a book claiming the Jews are out to destroy the Church. It is a lie. It has been used to fuel anti-semitism and hatred, and Bishop Williamson supports its use.

The Jews have been the victims of pogroms and Shoah. This is wrong. There is no defense for these evil acts.

I am done with this forum. I will pray for the Pope. I will pray for anyone who hates Jews.
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My other question was “who says it’s false?” And I *honestly *want to know.
 
Tsuwano said:
It’s about blindness and intolerance, and there seems to be plenty of that on all sides concerned.
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This is true.

All I can pray that comes of this, is that our Holy Father follows his heart, and that our Father in Heaven grants BXVI many years, if it be His will.
 
Does anybody know how SSPX recieves new members?

For example, if an unbaptized person comes to them and wants to join, must he go thru RCIA just like in the ordinary RCC, or do they make it quicker?

The reason i am asking is because of the two swedish priests who chosed to convert at SSPX, one of them started with classes at our diocese in Stockholm but later he broke it and joined SSPX instead.

Here is what Bishop Anders Arborelius of Stockholm Sweden had to say about this story:

As a Convert (I was recieved into the Church in 1979 by Monsignore Bernhard Maria Koch) I have myself recieved many Converts into the Church, and every year in my Diocese several Lutheran ecclesiastics, both male and female, become Catholic.
I had entrusted a very faithful and pious priest, the Rev. Dr. Ingvar Fogelqvist, with the task of giving Pastor Sten Sandmark instructions in Catholic doctrine in order to prepare him for his reception into the Church. It is important to prepare the Lutheran ecclesiastics well, or else the danger of their return to Lutheranism exists, something which unfortunately also happens.
After some time, Rev. Fogelqvist has told me, that Sten Sendmark could or would no longer participate in the instructions. He did not inform Rev. Fogelqvist about his absence. Later we got the message that he wanted to convert at the SSPX in Paris, which he then did.
 
latinmasslover said:
My other question was “who says it’s false?” And I *honestly *want to know.
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See here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

Lots of sources listed at the end.

I took a class in college called “History of the Holocaust.” Long story short, The Protocols has been proven to be false by respected scholars across the board – Christian scholars, Jewish scholars, atheist scholars, etc. (Incidentally, although it was at a secular university, this class was instrumental in guiding me to the Catholic Church because it exposed me to Martin Luther’s anti-Semitic writings for the first time).
 
I have just watched Bishop Wiliamson’s interview on U Tube. He does deny that Jews were killed by gas chambers and he puts the number of Jews killed by the Nazis at several hundred thousand.

He seems an intelligent and reasonable man. Therefore I am puzzled as to how he can deny the overwhelming evidence both for the masacre of millions by the Nazis and for their use of gas chambers.

I accept that his apology seems sincere and is nicely worded. However, I can also see the point others have made that his apology does not actually reverse any of the statements he made about there being no Jews killed in gas chambers and his revision of the number killed to several hundred thousand.

I think we do mankind a great diservice if we try to deny the hollocaust. Too many people, Jews, Christians and others, suffered and died for us to turn a “blind eye” to it. My fear is that when we pretend things like that did not happen then we open the way for them to happen again.

I hope that Bishop Williamson will re-examine the facts and reconsider his views. Then perhaps he could add to his apology and make if an actual recanting of his former statements and an apology to the Jewssh people as well.
 
I believe the Holocaust happened pretty much the way most do. While I am no historian, use of Occam’s Razor leads me to believe that the conspiracy behind making something like this up would be so vast as to be untenable.

However, I do not think the Holocaust is a teaching of the Church. Can anyone show where it is mentioned in the Catechism? If it is not a teaching of the Church, then lack of belief in it should not be a barrier to withdrawin ex-communications. Also, bishops like Williamson should not bring any public comment about it under the color of the Church. For this act he** did** apologize.
 
Cathguy, please do not leave this forum. I am one lurker of likely many many others that agrees with your posts.


HERE is a link that explains the history of ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’.

A quote from my link above: “It is claimed that the Protocols are the minutes of a meeting of Jewish leaders at the first Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland, in 1897, in which Jews plotted to take over the world.”

Anyone who believes that ‘The Protocols’ is fact not fiction believes that the Jews plotted to take over the world.

Does the Bishop believe that the Jews plotted to take over the world? If he does then, well, that is an anti-semitic belief.
 
Maybe ByzCath, or someone else, can help me out here. I have been googling for some link to any text in which Bishop Williamson’s supposed agreement with the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” can be found in the full context of his remarks.

anyone have a link?
 
maurin said:
Maybe ByzCath, or someone else, can help me out here. I have been googling for some link to any text in which Bishop Williamson’s supposed agreement with the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” can be found in the full context of his remarks.

anyone have a link?
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youtube.com/watch?v=ooGBMFShUVo

Here he says 9/11 was absolutely not the fault of arab terrorists.

And here he says not one jew was killed in gas chambers.
youtube.com/watch?v=k6C9BuXe2RM&feature=related
He refers to the holocaust as “quote unquote”
 
Does anybody know how SSPX recieves new members?

For example, if an unbaptized person comes to them and wants to join, must he go thru RCIA just like in the ordinary RCC, or do they make it quicker?
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A catechumen would take instructions from the priest and be baptized when the priest feels that he/she is ready. This is also what is generally done with FSSP parishes and apostolates. RCIA would not enter the picture.
 
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