Supporting President Bush

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Della,
No pro-life group is attempting to find a perfect candidate only a principled one. Pures ideals are those that are in conformity with natural law. We should and in fact are obligated to expect public figures, particularly elected officials, to not only respect natural law but to uphold it even if it means losing. Prudence can never be equated with cowardice, and it is wimpish to excuse those who favor killing certain babies because they were concieved through rape or incest or are described as threatening their mother’s lives simply because one is unwilling to speak out and candidates who honestly believe in the sanctity of human life.
David Paul while you’re tooting your horn about the republican party, not a thing has been done by them in the last 32 years! I got news for you the pro-life movement cannot even defend a so-called partial birth abortion ban without adding a life of the mother exception. David Paul, Della, you call that progress? IT ISN’T.

David Paul, Della you and other so-called catholics are blinded by political power. Much maturing you both have to do. Go back and learn the meaning of those words.
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Twaddle. If it makes you feel good to vote for people who can’t do anything because they can’t get elected, that’s your choice, but as Catholic (not a “so-called Catholic”–thanks for the personal attack! :tsktsk: ) I am not obligated to tilt at windmills to please people like you who believe one has to sacrifice one’s brains in order to be a good Catholic. I follow what the Church tells us is proper for us as voters. If that’s not good enough for you, frankly I don’t care.
 
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b_justb:
If you do not support the POTUS then what are you advocating? Anarchy? Rebellion? Dissent? Or just campaigning for some other guy?

Why is social justice the Federal Governments responsibility? Where in the founding documents does it spell that out? Social Justice is each individual’s responsibility… If we KNOW the government isn’t involved in “Social Justice” then we must act, which is what we are supposed to do in the first place. Blaming the federal government for the what you see as social responsibility fading from the collective consciences of the citizenry is just yelling in a mirror.
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b_justb:
If you do not support the POTUS then what are you advocating? Anarchy? Rebellion? Dissent? Or just campaigning for some other guy?

Why is social justice the Federal Governments responsibility? Where in the founding documents does it spell that out? Social Justice is each individual’s responsibility… If we KNOW the government isn’t involved in “Social Justice” then we must act, which is what we are supposed to do in the first place. Blaming the federal government for the what you see as social responsibility fading from the collective consciences of the citizenry is just yelling in a mirror.
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They are responsible when they, as representing the people of these United States, decide to federally limit spending on our citizens.
The role of the Federal Government is to provide a safe and free society to live in. This is what our tax dollars are spent on. WE llive in a society (words social and society are derived from same beginnings). Because our system is not perfect and fragile we must as a SOCIETY progress to fix it.
 
joseph,

Social awareness and programs are of vital importance and they do help form a very critical portion of being truly Catholic. Yet, those “works” cannot ever trump life. We have the murder of well over 3,000 helpless and innocent people every day and we call it legal. That is the top of the list, with everything else falling way, way behind.
 
It is like our salvation with in our Catholic faith. We can not pick and chose we must accept all. To turn blind eye for one issue is hypocritical.
 
joseph,

President Bush has not turned a blind eye towards poor, spending is up during his Presidency.

However, the democrats HAVE turned a blind eye towards the murder we commit every day against the unborn. Even if you think Bush can do more (which is always true btw), at least he is trying to work on both sides (life and social works)…the dems are the ones pushing to kill babies.
 
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josephdavid:
They are responsible when they, as representing the people of these United States, decide to federally limit spending on our citizens.
The role of the Federal Government is to provide a safe and free society to live in. This is what our tax dollars are spent on. WE llive in a society (words social and society are derived from same beginnings). Because our system is not perfect and fragile we must as a SOCIETY progress to fix it.
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Yes, I agree “we must as a SOCIETY progress to fix it” !! We both agree on this to be sure.

How “we” do that might be where we see things differently. Maybe? But at a minimum we both agree: “we”; you and I must work to fix what we see as failings. Yes?
 
I ask this because outside of abortion his administration has done much to less environmental regulations, done more for the rich thand the poor (statistically poverty has increased each year under Bush adminitration), started un-just wars, etc.

Is he the lesser of two evils?
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i often wonder about this too. clearly, abortion can’t be tolerated. but bush has said the he isn’t looking to overturn roe vs. wade but is seeking “a change of hearts”. he is not pro-life but at best seeks to limit the amount of abortions while keeping it safe and legal. this is the line of most moderates in this country.

i’m a distributionist. i think that most people should be able to afford a home. this would support the family. the median cost of a home in this country is around $215,000 while the median income is less then $30,000. that is a huge discrepancy. families have been forced to have dual incomes which further puts strains on families. most of the housing inflation has happened during bush’s reign. also, cost of living and education has skyrocked while incomes have stagnated. this really putting a burden on families and will get worse as the baby boomers retire.

bush, clinton, and kerry, only have two or less kids, and in bush’s case they happen to be twins. obviously, politians today put career over family, and treat the country the same way. what excuse could they have for not having a bigger family? surely they could adopt.

one thing is for sure, silver spooners like W and others support the rich, and the poor and middle class suffer. at least their selfishness effectively ends their dynasty by not having any male heirs. even henry the 8th knew better.
 
Also are you pro-life when environmental policies are lessened which results in harm to peoples health especially childrens; starting an unjust war which has resulted in more than 30,000 civilians killed (only to call them collateral damage)?

Is it pro-life to stay on vacation while thousands of poor people are drowning and dying in our own country?
 
joseph,

It is a matter of debate as to whether or not the war is just or unjust. I personally feel the war is just, I assume you feel it is unjust. I also assume you think it was perfectly just for Saddam to murder thousands of his own people and to invade his neighbors and to allow the rape, murder and torture of untold numbers of his own people. AS for wmd’s, don’t go there, because the President was acting on what he thought was reliable intelligence…he did not lie as so many Bush bashers want us to believe.

The President is NEVER on vacation, his job is 24 X 7 no matter where he is. He makes decisions from everywhere he might be. The President also attempted to avert the NO disaster well before the hurricane hit, yet the LA governor pridefully refused to listen.

One must be careful to look at both sides of these difficult issues, otherwise we will tend to not see the entire picture.
 
I do listen to both sides. I read more than one news paper. I researched my decision on this. I do not listen just to Fox New or just Air America Radio.

But as for vacation he took one in August for the whole month.
 
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Della:
I have to disagree with you. If we support candidates that are closest to us on this issue, we get people elected who can do something–even if it’s just a little bit at a time, which is better than nothing or worse if we vote ideologically for someone who hasn’t a snowball’s chance in you-know-where of being elected.

We are in a war. Wars are fought with many battles. With one imperfect candidate we win something we want, and with another we keep someone worse from getting into office. We have to be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves in this fight or we will never win the war for life, or win over the hearts and minds of the American voter.
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I agree.
 
joseph,

Yes, he takes a one-month vacation every year to his ranch in Texas. However, he is really never on vacation, he is simply away from Washington.
 
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TPJCatholic:
joseph,

I also assume you think it was perfectly just for Saddam to murder thousands of his own people and to invade his neighbors and to allow the rape, murder and torture of untold numbers of his own people. AS for wmd’s, don’t go there, because the President was acting on what he thought was reliable intelligence…he did not lie as so many Bush bashers want us to believe.
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No it is not just for what Saddam did and yes he is a dispicable person. But was it just for us to stand by was hundred of thousands of Rawandans were murdered? Was it just for us to stand by and support the Sudan as they are conducting ethnic cleansing at this very moment? Was it just for us to wait almost two weeks to send in relief to stranded people in New Orleans? Was it just as we stood by while Stalin murdered an estimated 30 million people? Is it just we stand by as corporations systmatically clear cut the Amazon ruining lives of thousands of indigenous people?

As for imenant threat… how is that we can contain the Soviet Union for decades who were an imenant threat to the U.S. but we can not deter a banana republic dictator?
As for what he though for reliable intelligence? It is a scape goat in my theory and it is just a theory that is why we need to have hearings to find out the truth.

Sorry been involved with that game for a long time and I know how that system works.
 
Name one other President that has stayed away from the White House, during 20th Century and especially in time of war, for more than one month on a “Official Vacation”.
 
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josephdavid:
Name one other President that has stayed away from the White House, during 20th Century and especially in time of war, for more than one month on a “Official Vacation”.
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Please tell me what difference that makes. We have such a communications system in this country that no president could hide from his duties even if he wanted to.
 
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josephdavid:
The White House put government agencies on notice this month that if President Bush is reelected, his budget for 2006 ]
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I am just curious… what does this mean: “if President Bush is reelected…”

Can you explain this statement … if President Bush is reelected … and how does his reelection migh factor into your discussion, thinking and posts?
 
joseph,

Can you or I point to other events where this nation did not act correctly, yes of course. Yet, under your views Saddam would still be in power and he would still be raping, torturing and killing his own people. Without doubt this nation’s foreign policies have been suspect over the last several decades…yet our failings does not mean Saddam should be in power.

Here is the test: if you really feel that the war in Iraq was a mistake, then I assume you will call for Saddam to be re-instated as President of Iraq–immediately, that would be the only consistent position you could take.

As for emminent threat, Bush did not say Iraq was an emminent threat. He said that he wanted to stop Iraq BEFORE they became an emminent threat because becoming emminent is too late.
 
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