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yankeesouth said:
Amazing win for President Trump and the American people. Judge Kavanaugh took the full brunt of anti Catholicism which will perhaps make Judge Amy Barrett’s confirmation process a little easier if another spot opens up on the Court.
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I certainly hope it’s not Amy Barrett. There are much better people Trump could choose, if he gets the chance to choose again.
 
Victoria33 said:
I think I saw some article saying something like by showing his anger, he affirmed his innocence. It might not have been stated that, so simply but a lot of us would be upset if wrongfully accused of doing something very heinous such as what he was accused of. Not to mention, the piling on accusations as well, which were basically absurd.
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Anger’s a defense mechanism and usually shows guilt, though I do not believe Ford. I don’t even think she’s mistaken; I think she outright lied. But I still don’t like Kavanaugh.

I could accept Kavanaugh’s anger if it had been spontaneous, but you keep forgetting that he WROTE his angry words AWAY from the hearing room, then READ them. Presumably, they were REASONED. They were not WELL REASONED. They showed excessive partisanship, which is not good in any judge. Of course, they are all going to be somewhat partisan, but Kavanaugh showed excessive partisanship. I have doubts about his ability to be impartial. I can just imagine the indignation and condemnation you’d feel if a liberal acted as Kavanaugh. You’re not convincing anyone. You’re just giving him a pass because you like his politics.

And please, speak for yourself only. I have been unjustly accused of worse things than Kavanaugh, and I did NOT react with anger. This is just one of Kavanaugh’s crosses to bear, and he should bear it with dignity, a dignity I have yet to see in him. Hopefully he’ll be more impartial when he votes.
 
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Catholic Answers bookstore has some information on the Battle of Lepanto, the victory of which we have Our Lady of Victory.
 
ConstantLearner said:
And please, speak for yourself only. I have been unjustly accused of worse things than Kavanaugh, and I did NOT react with anger. This is just one of Kavanaugh’s crosses to bear, and he should bear it with dignity, a dignity I have yet to see in him. Hopefully he’ll be more impartial when he vo
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Are you nominated by the President to serve on the Supreme Court of the United States of America?
 
ConstantLearner said:
Anger’s a defense mechanism and usually shows guilt, though I do not believe Ford. I don’t even think she’s mistaken; I think she outright lied. But I still don’t like Kavanaugh.

I could accept Kavanaugh’s anger if it had been spontaneous, but you keep forgetting that he WROTE his angry words AWAY from the hearing room, then READ them. Presumably, they were REASONED. They were not WELL REASONED. They showed excessive partisanship, which is not good in any judge. Of course, they are all going to be somewhat partisan, but Kavanaugh showed excessive partisanship. I have doubts about his ability to be impartial. I can just imagine the indignation and condemnation you’d feel if a liberal acted as Kavanaugh. You’re not convincing anyone. You’re just giving him a pass because you like his politics.

And please, speak for yourself only. I have been unjustly accused of worse things than Kavanaugh, and I did NOT react with anger. This is just one of Kavanaugh’s crosses to bear, and he should bear it with dignity, a dignity I have yet to see in him. Hopefully he’ll be more impartial when he votes.
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So you say. Basically, this aganst Kavanaugh was a psychological lynch mob. If this matter, were calmly examined, then, his reactions might have been out of line. That this whole thing looks like a ploy and everything fabricated is something else. A witch hunt and yes, by the Democratic party, a smear campaign. Yes, I think a lot of people would be hopping mad.

Anyway, Bolsonaro is running for President in Brazil. Maybe someone will post on that.
 
dvdjs said:
Duh? That is when he displayed the petulance, the rank partisanship, the hostility to being questioned, the evasive and misleading testimony.
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Yes, all in response to a full attack on his character, an attack he believed to be politically motivated and false.
His response, by and large, was restrained, measured and appropriate.
 
And had it discussed on ever major new network for weeks? That’s nonsense.
 
I hope this never happens again. The best to Justice Kavanaugh, he and all of the justices need our prayers.
 
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Victoria33 said:
So you say. Basically, this aganst Kavanaugh was a psychological lynch mob. If this matter, were calmly examined, then, his reactions might have been out of line. That this whole thing looks like a ploy and everything fabricated is something else. A witch hunt and yes, by the Democratic party, a smear campaign. Yes, I think a lot of people would be hopping mad.
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Oh, it was not a witch hunt! You’re borrowing words from Trump. It was “politics.” I’d bet your opinion would be exactly opposite if the candidate had been a Democratic liberal. Then a witch hunt would be just fine! Your opinion shows an alarming lack of impartiality and partisanship, the things I don’t like in Kavanaugh. But hey, I can live with him on the court without resorting to insults and threats. Elections have consequences. Had more Democrats voted in 2016 and not been complacent, everyone would be looking at a liberal court now. Hopefully, they won’t be so complacent in November, but I have my doubts. At any rate, the pendulum will swing to the far , far left again, too far left for me. That’s politics. That’s the way it goes. Nothing stays the same. What goes up, must come down. This country has never stayed the same. So, be prepared.
 
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MonteRCMS said:
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ConstantLearner:
And please, speak for yourself only. I have been unjustly accused of worse things than Kavanaugh, and I did NOT react with anger. This is just one of Kavanaugh’s crosses to bear, and he should bear it with dignity, a dignity I have yet to see in him. Hopefully he’ll be more impartial when he vo
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This is a nonsense question. You are apparently trying to justify why Kavanaugh responded the way he did while discounting how ConstantLearner reacted. But your “differential justification” does not make sense. How is being a Supreme Court nominee more of a justification for shameful behavior than being someone who is not so nominated, but has been accused of worse things?
 
LeafByNiggle said:
@Ender, you know it is customary when making an argument to present an argument and not just rattle off a list of derogatory terms leveled at the opposing side.
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Let’s review:

Claim: “The most malicious, slanderous charges were leveled against him…”
He was charged with attempted rape, drugging girls and running rape rooms. This claim is confirmed.

“…and given prominence and support from every major media outlet in the country.”
This one hardly seems necessary to document, its validity being transparently true. This claim is confirmed.

“Allegations without a shred of supporting evidence were not only accepted as true.…”
Again, this one hardly needs documenting, its accuracy being so apparent, but here’s how USA Today saw it, validating this claim as well:

Christine Blasey Ford testimony was bloodbath for Brett Kavanaugh, Trump and Republicans. In 30 years as a prosecutor and lawyer, I’ve never seen a more credible witness than Christine Blasey Ford …

“… but we were all told just to believe the woman and find Kavanaugh guilty”
Senator Hirono’s comments being only the most blatant, this is the attitude pretty much all of the protesters in the capital took. Is there really any debate about this claim?

“This was obscene and outrageous.”
This seems a reasonable conclusion based on the evidence. Perhaps we have a different understanding of what it means to make an argument.
 
The main point you are missing is the Republicans don’t play dirty the way the Dems do.So it wouldn’t have happened period
 
LeafByNiggle said:
How is being a Supreme Court nominee more of a justification for shameful behavior than being someone who is not so nominated, but has been accused of worse things?
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Nothing justifies shameful behavior, but then that description doesn’t really apply to Kavanaugh’s reaction. I suspect the point @MonteRCMS was making is that it is one thing to be accused of gross criminal behavior, and something else again to have those accusations repeated daily on every news outlet in the country for weeks, all the while asserting that they should simply be believed and that your denials of the charges are themselves evidence of guilt. Have we no sense of proportion here?
 
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Ender said:
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LeafByNiggle:
@Ender, you know it is customary when making an argument to present an argument and not just rattle off a list of derogatory terms leveled at the opposing side.
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Let’s review:

Claim: “The most malicious, slanderous charges were leveled against him…”
He was charged with attempted rape, drugging girls and running rape rooms. This claim is confirmed.
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…but not disproven. You can only say it is slanderous if you can prove it is a false accusation.
“…and given prominence and support from every major media outlet in the country.”
This one hardly seems necessary to document, its validity being transparently true. This claim is confirmed.
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It is a true claim, but not one that refutes anything said by the other side.
“Allegations without a shred of supporting evidence were not only accepted as true.…”
Again, this one hardly needs documenting, its accuracy being so apparent, but here’s how USA Today saw it, validating this claim as well:

Christine Blasey Ford testimony was bloodbath for Brett Kavanaugh, Trump and Republicans. In 30 years as a prosecutor and lawyer, I’ve never seen a more credible witness than Christine Blasey Ford …
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If your opponent is media coverage of the event, that is a different issue from truth or falsity of Dr. Ford’s allegations.
“… but we were all told just to believe the woman and find Kavanaugh guilty”
Senator Hirono’s comments being only the most blatant, this is the attitude pretty much all of the protesters in the capital took. Is there really any debate about this claim?
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That claim needs support. Show me the quote where Senator Hirono says explicitly to believe the woman and find Kavanaugh guilty.
“This was obscene and outrageous.”
This seems a reasonable conclusion based on the evidence. Perhaps we have a different understanding of what it means to make an argument.
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That depends on what you mean by “This”. Are you referring to the charges? Or to the manner in which they were presented? You have a much better case for the later than the former being obscene and outrageous.
 
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