Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

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4 million jobs, IIRC. Better than under the current POTUS šŸ™‚
Um…did the years 2007-2009 exist on your planet? All those lost jobs??? Why didn’t the tax cuts prevent that? After all, taxes are lower now that any any point under Reagan, or Clinton or Bush I. Google is your friend.
 
Romney: ā€˜If We Want to Get Rid of Obamacare, We’re Going to Have to Replace President Obama’

weeklystandard.com/blogs/romney-if-we-want-get-rid-obamacare-were-going-have-replace-ppresident-obama_647937.html

Video

youtube.com/watch?v=sp6d3JBLiAE

What Should Americans Do After the Supreme Court ObamaCare Ruling?

pjmedia.com/blog/what-should-americans-do-after-the-supreme-court-obamacare-ruling/?singlepage=true
Obamacare becomes Obamatax

dailycaller.com/2012/06/28/obamacare-becomes-obamatax

National Right to Life: Supreme Court Decision Means Americans Must Elect Mitt Romney and a Pro-Life Congress Committed to Repealing ObamaCare

christiannewswire.com/index.php?module=releases&task=view&releaseID=20059
GOP governors vow to ignore Obamacare

washingtonexaminer.com/gop-governors-vow-to-ignore-obamacare/article/2500862
I’m Not Down on John Roberts

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Ryan: Decision ā€˜Strengthens’ Case for Repeal and Replace

weeklystandard.com/blogs/ryan-decision-strengthens-case-repeal-and-replace_647939.html
’Incredible Irony’: Court Has 'Declared Obama to Be a Monumental Liar’

cnsnews.com/news/article/incredible-irony-court-has-declared-obama-be-monumental-liar
Exclusive: Fr. Pavone says Obamacare ruling must ā€˜energize’ pro-life movement for Nov. elections

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Thanks! šŸ‘
 
I just heard that Obamacare can be repealed by budget reconciliation because it is a tax
The Republicans have been screaming that they won’t fund the bill so this is nothing new. But good luck explaining to your consituents that they will be stuck paying for their own medical bills.
 
Um…did the years 2007-2009 exist on your planet? All those lost jobs??? Why didn’t the tax cuts prevent that? After all, taxes are lower now that any any point under Reagan, or Clinton or Bush I. Google is your friend.
It may be your friend, it ain’t mine.

And lose the attitude, please.
 
Please explain how this law is fascist.

Throwing around terms like this that look cute on a bumper sticker do not constitute a cogent argument.

I agree with the Bishops. There are things that must be repaired, but I am not in favor of a total repeal because the ā€œbad guyā€ proposed it.
How on earth is this going to be fixed? What efforts is the Administration you endorse taking to fix it?

AND IF it doesn’t get fixed, are you then at least in agreement it then needs to be thrown out? Or does it then not become that big an issue.
 
You are in the mythical land of the welfare queen, and while it’s really fun to believe that everyone in welfare is a lazy slob driving a big new Caddy and getting filet mignon with food stamps-there is NO proof of it. Every case that is brought up to support that theory only shows how the system works by busting them.

It’s easy to demonize the poor that way,because then you can convince yourself it will never happen to you. When you actually get out there and find out who really is getting assistance and find out they are one lost job or one serious accident or illness away from where you sit now-it’s a little scary.
I am in the Realistic land that you cannot keep subsidizing the poor without working people deciding on giving up working hard because over half of their earnings are given to people who are complacent with living a subsidized lower-standard of living.

But keep living in fantasyland…I’m gonna laugh hard when Reality comes a knockin’ šŸ‘
 
Here is another thing to worry about…

What other hidden goodies are in the thousand page monstrosity of a bill that the supreme court just ruled to be constitutional?
My bet is we will all be made organ donors, whether we want it or not. And then some government-run death panel will decide who’s ā€œdead enoughā€ or ā€œvegetative enoughā€ to harvest his organs. Basically, people who would normally be resuscitated and given life support, will be instead killed for their organs.

I say this because one of Obama’s czars is a big proponent of government-enforced mandatory organ donation.

With the extremists Obama surrounds himself with, only the sky is the limit to hidden goodies we will suddenly discover are in this bill, per the HHS’s interpretation.
 
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You have learned well grasshopper…you have absorbed all the talking points and can regurgitate them on command.

Read the Bishops statement and you will see where I stand. Now, it’s long and has big words and won’t fit on a bumper sticker, but i think you can get it if you try.
Well if the Bishops were the supreme authority and not the Pope, then I wouldn’t bother being a Catholic. Thank God the American Bishops aren’t the final authority on Church matters.
 
Had the Congress, SCOTUS, and Presidency during the Bush years. I didn’t notice any change. In fact the largest expansion of government other than Obamacare happened under Bush II the prescription drug medicare act.
Good point. Under the Republicans one better hope that China will be able to lend us more money.
 
Canned beans? Fried potatoes are so much yummier & cheaper.

I imagine there will be quite a few working poor who will get screwed over by this. I’m curious how all of those people who are already struggling to pay their bills and student loans are going to squeeze in a few extra thousand a year for health insurance or the increased taxes. I know I can’t.
I sooo agree. 😃

I see this scenario with MIL. She’s pushing 60 and she decided to go to college and major in political science. Considering she has no people skills and isn’t quite all there in the head, I’m predicting that she is going to have a VERY hard time finding a job when she graduates. So, in about 2 years, she’ll graduate, can’t find a job and suddenly has to pay the gov’t back the $50 grand she just borrowed, while cleaning houses, and suddenly has to figure out how to buy health insurance.

Good grief, I totally forsee her being homeless and having to move in with me. :eek:
 
I tend to agree with you, but God is still sovereign! Check out today’s reading from 2nd Kings. I’ve already said how apropos that this ruling came today while we hear at Mass how Babylon seized the temple. From a spiritual standpoint, I would say this had to be. Have you seen countless hearts in repentance for the sins of this nation, or witnessed conversion among the dissidents? This is the beginning of our own exile and captivity - in more ways than one.
I agree—and it will continue until we turn back to God.
 
Today’s ruling, apart from that it could help Romney which looks like it is already doing with his donations; is that the mandate was not established as constitutional under the Commerce clause. Now that it has been labelled as a tax, people will think tax increases, and that will not help Obama.
There are actually people who still pay taxes???
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Given the chart I just saw in the NYT (link is on their home page, next to today’s story about the ruling), this law overwhelmingly benefits very poor people, in that the huge proportional shift from Uninsured to Insured will occur in the Medicaid segment. Medicaid coverage, as I read it (open to correction!) will be 133% of the federal poverty level. That breaks down (2012 figures) as follows:

Family Size 1 Individual = $14,856
2 individuals = 20,123
3 individuals = 25,390
4 … = 30,657
5 … = 35,923
6 … = 41,190

Raise your hand if you think this represents ā€œthe middle class.ā€ In my region, these income levels equate to homelessness.

The rest of the NYT chart showed > numbers of middle class now being covered. It’s a token amount, particularly compared to the benefit for the above group. In the middle is the benefit to Exchanges. Indirectly, that could affect premiums in that it would introduce competition, albeit from gov’t sources (States). So that could have an eventual favorable benefit to the middle class who buys traditional insurance, but I question how immediate & how far-reaching that will be.

Correct if if I’m wrong: I thought that one of the central points of this ACA measure was to provide more affordable coverage options for the full-time working middle class, large numbers of which forego coverage currently because they cannot afford the $400+ premiums for individuals – never mind astronomical premiums for whole families. It was not my impression that very few middle class working families are currently not insured, whereas the bulk of the uninsured is overwhelmingly those in the statistical poverty level.
I think that represents middle class in my area. Granti it, I live in a depressed area with a very cheap cost of living… :o
 
I’m waiting for the headline: Supreme Court Upholds Obama’s History-Making Tax Increase

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Just claim illegal alien status… you wont haveto pay for going to the hospital then.
The Republicans have been screaming that they won’t fund the bill so this is nothing new. But good luck explaining to your consituents that they will be stuck paying for their own medical bills.
 
I think that represents middle class in my area. Granti it, I live in a depressed area with a very cheap cost of living… :o
My area isn’t exactly ā€œhigh cost of livingā€ compared to many other parts of the country. But here, a family making that kind of money is really, really struggling.
 
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