Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

[Luigi_Daniele]

Romney Care does the same thing as Obama Care.

If you don’t have health insurance, you’re charged an extra tax when you file your state income taxes.

Jim

Except that the States are allowed to experiment. No FEDERAL law has ever forced someone to buy something from a private entity.

In sum, absolutely not the same thing.

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

My guess is that the lawsuits will be thrown out, because they are on a mandate as it was when the lawsuit was filed, no longer exist and will once again be modified to be sure religious institutions are not forced to cover the items in the law suit.

It’s funny that you put it that way.

Those of us who have expressed skepticism that the bishops would fight for the conscience of all Catholics, indeed, all Christians, and not only for “religious institutions” have been regularly attacked as being wrongfully mistrustful.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

That’s right, Romney can’t repeal it, only Congress can, and the GOP doesn’t have the votes to do it.

Also, now that people are starting to benefit from the Affordable Health Care act, Republicans would be committing political suicide to take these benefits away from them.

Jim

Must be only a few people, as 60% of the public (including 70%+ of Independents) don’t want it.

 

[HappyPagan]

I love it when I hear good news like this!

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Doubtful, even if he were elected—which he won’t be.

Romney won’t have to repeal Obamacare. All the Republicans have to do is maintain the House and win 51 seats in the Senate and they can repeal it by reconcilliation, since Chief Justice Roberts declared that the mandate was a tax, not a penalty.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

It’s funny that you put it that way.

Those of us who have expressed skepticism that the bishops would fight for the conscience of all Catholics, indeed, all Christians, and not only for “religious institutions” have been regularly attacked as being wrongfully mistrustful.

Yup. It disappoints me a great deal that it sure seems that the good Bishops only became incensed when it was their ox being gored.

May not be actually be that way, but it sure seems so.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

That’s right, Romney can’t repeal it, only Congress can, and the GOP doesn’t have the votes to do it.

Also, now that people are starting to benefit from the Affordable Health Care act, Republicans would be committing political suicide to take these benefits away from them.

Jim

People are also suffering under Obamacare. Healthcare rationing for the elderly has been taking place since December. But, who cares, they’re old. They’ve lived their lives. They should just move over and let us youngun’s have a go at it.

 

[Teelynn]

Obama made a solemn campaign promise not to raise taxes on the middle class (under IIRC $200k income combined).

The Supreme Court has ruled that the individual mandate (which will raise health care costs for all employed Americans) is legal ONLY because it is a tax (the only reason Roberts, the swing vote, voted to uphold).

Ergo, the Supreme Court has ruled that Obama is a liar who has broken his promise not to raise taxes on the middle class. Make no mistake. This wasn’t a reluctant choice necessary to resolve a crisis (ala ‘read my lips’). This was Obama’s plan all along.

It would be one thing if the guy had the cajones to straight up admit that he planned to tax us more in order to provide wider health care coverage. But instead, he was as slippery a snake as every went to DC.

He’s a “Chicago Politician”…I just wonder what everyone that voted for him expected other than how a “Chicago Man” usually conducts himself. With lies and deception as do ALL OF THEM especially in Chicago. That’s how they have run the City for eons. It’s just the “normal” way they do business. Obviously, not everyone in the Country is from the windy city, so some of them might be uninformed, but man, I thought Chicago had a Nationwide reputation for being one of the most corrupt in the Nation? Let me tell you, if you are involved in politics at all in Chicago, you do it the “Chicago Way” or you don’t survive. Simple as that.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Is that true that the “HHS mandate” will need to be rewritten in light of today’s decision? Why would that be?

No, it’s that the Bishops filed their lawsuits against a ruling that has since changed and will change again, to accommodate Catholic institutions. Obama will make the accommodation prior to the election in November, but I’m guessing here.

Either way, the court will throw out the suit because it’s against an older version of the ruling, and because the new ruling isn’t even a regulation yet.

Jim

 

[Trader]

Is that true that the “HHS mandate” will need to be rewritten in light of today’s decision? Why would that be?

If the penalty is now a tax paid to the IRS, Catholic institutions that have to refuse to buy insurance covering contraception, sterilzation, and abortion inducing drugs to remain Catholic, will be directly taxed by the federal government. Is that what Obama meant to do? If these institutions are no longer tax exempt, are they free to engage in partisan politics? This is a mess than needs to be fixed and never should have happened in the first place.

 

[scipio337]

No, it’s that the Bishops filed their lawsuits against a ruling that has since changed and will change again, to accommodate Catholic institutions. Obama will make the accommodation prior to the election in November, but I’m guessing here.

Either way, the court will throw out the suit because it’s against an older version of the ruling, and because the new ruling isn’t even a regulation yet.

Jim

Your source that a 2nd accommodation will be made?

I don’t share you optimism, and your statement seems to be entirely speculative

 

[JimR-OCDS]

People are also suffering under Obamacare. Healthcare rationing for the elderly has been taking place since December. But, who cares, they’re old. They’ve lived their lives. They should just move over and let us youngun’s have a go at it.

Health care rationing?

Never heard of it, nor seen it.

However, fact is, parents now have their children on their health insurance coverage, until age 26.

People with expensive health issues, can’t be dropped and people with pre-existing conditions, can get health insurance at the same rate as healthy people. Take away this benefit and you’re essentially telling the sick, to die, because they’re too expensive to keep alive.

Jim

 

[TheTrueCentrist]

But…Rx program (which as a pharmacist, I hate, BTW), did not add a nickel to the deficit. It pays for itself (or did, the last time I checked).

articles.latimes.com/2004/jan/30/nation/na-medicare30

WASHINGTON — The Medicare overhaul that gave a prescription drug benefit to seniors will cost at least $134 billion more than the $400-billion price tag President Bush and Congress agreed to last year, administration officials and congressional aides said Thursday.

Did it include any provisions to offset those costs? I’m not intimately familiar with the law, so maybe you could point them out.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

If the penalty is now a tax paid to the IRS, Catholic institutions that have to refuse to buy insurance covering contraception, sterilzation, and abortion inducing drugs to remain Catholic, will be directly taxed by the federal government. Is that what Obama meant to do? If these institutions are no longer tax exempt, are they free to engage in partisan politics? This is a mess than needs to be fixed and never should have happened in the first place.

Catholic institutions and dioceses, already purchase health insurance from companies which cover these things. I know for a fact they do in Massachusetts, and I’m sure they do in other parts of the nation.

The Catholic Church is also in nations with single payer universal health care, like Canada, which covers abortions, in addition to contraception. Not one Bishop or priest in those nations goes without health care coverage, because of it.

Jim

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Health care rationing?

Never heard of it, nor seen it.

However, fact is, parents now have their children on their health insurance coverage, until age 26.

People with expensive health issues, can’t be dropped and people with pre-existing conditions, can get health insurance at the same rate as healthy people. Take away this benefit and you’re essentially telling the sick, to die, because they’re too expensive to keep alive.

Jim

If you had another President, they would have jobs, and wouldn’t need their parents’ insurance.

Our side can speculate, too

 

[Dawnia]

Want to provide a citation for that claim? Here is where my numbers came from:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FilePACA_Premium_CRS.jpg

I’ll have to look it up. It was either in the original law or in one of the court cases, can’t remember which.

But I do see that there is now a sliding scale on tax credits that wasn’t there before.

healthcare.gov/law/resources/authorities/section/1001-tax-credits.pdf

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Your source that a 2nd accommodation will be made?

I don’t share you optimism, and your statement seems to be entirely speculative

I said, I’m guessing.

My guess is based on the need for Catholic votes.

Jim

 

[bcarson]

Well I guess we now know what those 5100 IRS agents will be doing.

 

[scipio337]

Health care rationing?

Never heard of it, nor seen it.

However, fact is, parents now have their children on their health insurance coverage, until age 26.

People with expensive health issues, can’t be dropped and people with pre-existing conditions, can get health insurance at the same rate as healthy people. Take away this benefit and you’re essentially telling the sick, to die, because they’re too expensive to keep alive.

Jim

Won’t somebody think of the 26 year old “children”?

My parents were married, with three children at age 26.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Health care rationing?

Never heard of it, nor seen it.

However, fact is, parents now have their children on their health insurance coverage, until age 26.

People with expensive health issues, can’t be dropped and people with pre-existing conditions, can get health insurance at the same rate as healthy people. Take away this benefit and you’re essentially telling the sick, to die, because they’re too expensive to keep alive.

Jim

You are also going to kill the insurance companies and turn it into a single payer system, which was Obama’s plan all along.

The SCOTUS just handed 2012 to the Republicans. They should send him a card. They’ve given Romnay and the Republicans everything they need for campaign material for the next 5 months and forced Democrats to go on record to defend the biggest tax increase on the middle class and the poor in modern history.