Supreme Court Ruling on Same Sex Marriage

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

I think you are offensive and I bet jesus mary and joseph agree with me.
I don’t think God is offended by what i said. I think your misbehavior is because your arguments are weak as is your faith

I will keep you in my prayers.

 

[zz912]

and he left joseph with the bag while he went out to play around

But you’re TOTALLY Catholic. Totally.

/sarcasm

 

[Rau]

Vatican2Rocks!:

All of this plus the very learned and experienced advice from a tribunal judge of annulments and a reading of the canon law has led me to the conclusion that homosexuals should be permitted to marry each other. it is an act of justice and love.

Persons self-identify as homosexual. Past experiences that led to such self-identification do not of themselves prevent a valid marriage. Of course, marriage requires one man and one woman, which aligns with the description of it in the Scriptures, and in Canon Law.

 

[Rau]

he’s not attracted to her even though he is having sex with her.
he is married to her because society would not condone him marrying a person who he is truly in love with and attracted to. therefore it is not sacramental.

then there is the wife’s side. she is married to someone who is not attracted to her and she is being used as a coverup for him to look good in society’s eyes. this is not sacramental.

If there is a lack of attraction, that may give rise to a suspicion that the marriage is not freely chosen, thus invalidating it. But it is only a suspicion. Until a tribunal determines the facts, the marriage should be presumed to be valid.

 

[KSU]

Six of the nine Supreme Court Justices are self-proclaimed Catholics and thus can be assumed to know right from wrong even in the secular world. Yet two of them, Kennedy and Sotomayor, went out of their way to disregard the elementary secular understanding of the Constitution; disregard the well-understood secular difference between marriage and civil unions; and invent a new superseding constitutional “right” to SSM.

Morality, a cornerstone in the founding of our country, is no longer a consideration for a majority of the Justices, or for the legislators of one of our two major political parties, or for the present Executive Branch. Worse, I believe that this illegally legislated right to SSM would, when attacked, be defended by the two Catholic Justices as a higher morality than the traditional morality defined by the Church.

What is powerful enough to cause disregard of morality and the inevitable disintegration of our historically moral nation? Our Lady of Fatima told us :

“More souls go to Hell because of the sins of the flesh than for any other reason.”

“I have come to warn the faithful to amend their lives and ask pardon for their sins. They must not continue to offend Our Lord, Who is already too much offended.”

“Many marriages are not good; they do not please Our Lord and are not of God.”

“Wars are a punishment for the sins of mankind.”

I don’t think we have to wonder what God thinks of our country now. We elect what we get.

 

[truetofaith]

homosexuality is hereditary. they have been created the old fashioned way…by marrying and having children with heterosexuals. it is hereditary.

go to college and take a class in human sexuality. take a class in genetics too but its a harder class.

Nah, I’ll pass…it’s not that important to me.

 

[Finite]

I’m not understanding why this is still being debated…or what exactly is being debated at this point…

• Civil Marriage now includes two persons of the same sex. Civil.
• The Catholic Church is never going to change its position on this.
• Civil Marriage and Catholic “Marriage” are not the same thing, at all.
• A couple can choose to have the two coincide, assuming that the Church approves.
• Two men or two women, as far as the Church is concerned, are not married.
• As far as the United States is concerned, they are.
• The Catholic Church is not being forced to “accept” these marriages, and they never will.
• The fact that some “Christian” businesses have been sued is not evidence of the previous comment. A business isn’t a church.
• Obergefell v Hodges will never, ever be Roe v Wade. Ever. Thinking otherwise is the result of a mind clouded by all the excitement of the recent ruling.
• The US taking away marriage rights from same sex couples is about as likely as them taking it away from interracial couples. No, I’m not comparing the two, but they are both equally safe from being repealed.

I may have left the church, but if there is one thing I miss, it’s being a part of a community that does a lot of good. I still volunteer, but I sometimes miss the church in that regard. I feel like this is what Catholics should be doing now: focusing on doing good. Wasting day after day trying to fight something that, let’s face it, you will never win, is time that could be used out in the world volunteering. Bettering the world. Not trying to make it a little dimmer for a small group of the population, most of which aren’t doing anything to bother anyone.

Sigh.

 

[KSU]

I’m not understanding why this is still being debated…or what exactly is being debated at this point…

• Civil Marriage now includes two persons of the same sex. Civil.
• The Catholic Church is never going to change its position on this.
• Civil Marriage and Catholic “Marriage” are not the same thing, at all.
• A couple can choose to have the two coincide, assuming that the Church approves.
• Two men or two women, as far as the Church is concerned, are not married.
• As far as the United States is concerned, they are.
• The Catholic Church is not being forced to “accept” these marriages, and they never will.
• The fact that some “Christian” businesses have been sued is not evidence of the previous comment. A business isn’t a church.
• Obergefell v Hodges will never, ever be Roe v Wade. Ever. Thinking otherwise is the result of a mind clouded by all the excitement of the recent ruling.
• The US taking away marriage rights from same sex couples is about as likely as them taking it away from interracial couples. No, I’m not comparing the two, but they are both equally safe from being repealed.

I may have left the church, but if there is one thing I miss, it’s being a part of a community that does a lot of good. I still volunteer, but I sometimes miss the church in that regard. I feel like this is what Catholics should be doing now: focusing on doing good. Wasting day after day trying to fight something that, let’s face it, you will never win, is time that could be used out in the world volunteering. Bettering the world. Not trying to make it a little dimmer for a small group of the population, most of which aren’t doing anything to bother anyone.

Sigh.

I missed the part where you explained why, not infrequently, a small group of the population feels justified to obnoxiously, arrogantly and sometimes violently demand acceptance by Christian society to the point of ridiculing Christianity by attacks in the media and on talk shows, vulgar parades, disruption of Catholic worship and legal actions which potentially ruin livelihoods–which is just fine with you because " A business isn’t a church."

You can bet that same small group of the population, “most of which aren’t doing anything to bother anyone”, already has readied legal actions to remove tax exempt status from Churches that refuse to bless sodomy. That bothers millions of people.

That same small group of the population, in the case of the Canadian and European gulags, have made it problematic as to whether a priest may teach about certain portions of Scripture from the pulpit without being hauled into court for hate speech. You can bet that’s also on the agenda in this country; in fact a Democrat Representative tried years ago to get such legislation enacted here.

So please, spare me the crocodile tears.

 

[estesbob]

I’m not understanding why this is still being debated…or what exactly is being debated at this point…

• Civil Marriage now includes two persons of the same sex. Civil.
• The Catholic Church is never going to change its position on this.
• Civil Marriage and Catholic “Marriage” are not the same thing, at all.
• A couple can choose to have the two coincide, assuming that the Church approves.
• Two men or two women, as far as the Church is concerned, are not married.
• As far as the United States is concerned, they are.
• The Catholic Church is not being forced to “accept” these marriages, and they never will.
• The fact that some “Christian” businesses have been sued is not evidence of the previous comment. A business isn’t a church.
• Obergefell v Hodges will never, ever be Roe v Wade. Ever. Thinking otherwise is the result of a mind clouded by all the excitement of the recent ruling.
• The US taking away marriage rights from same sex couples is about as likely as them taking it away from interracial couples. No, I’m not comparing the two, but they are both equally safe from being repealed.

I may have left the church, but if there is one thing I miss, it’s being a part of a community that does a lot of good. I still volunteer, but I sometimes miss the church in that regard. I feel like this is what Catholics should be doing now: focusing on doing good. Wasting day after day trying to fight something that, let’s face it, you will never win, is time that could be used out in the world volunteering. Bettering the world. Not trying to make it a little dimmer for a small group of the population, most of which aren’t doing anything to bother anyone.

Sigh.

nationalreview.com/article/421464/social-justice-left-americans-do-not-like-mean-people-david-french?MBRgfgOkP48dgjos.01

 

[KSU]

This was written three years ago. One can imagine the ways schools will now be free to brain wash our kids after the Supreme Court decision.

catholicexchange.com/the-new-school-homosexual-propaganda-and-your-kids

But it’s OK. After all, we are talking about only “a small group of the population, most of which aren’t doing anything to bother anyone”.

 

[Rau]

This was written three years ago. One can imagine the ways schools will now be free to brain wash our kids after the Supreme Court decision.

catholicexchange.com/the-new-school-homosexual-propaganda-and-your-kids

But it’s OK. After all, we are talking about only “a small group of the population, most of which aren’t doing anything to bother anyone”.

It’s a sobering article. But the conclusions are logical. SSM is being held as a norm for family creation exactly on par with the marriage of a man and woman. Surely then any refusal to adopt story books which do not portray the full gamut of “normal” relations will be attacked as discriminatory. Parents will be denied the right to object or be notified of such class content, because it is now the “norm”. Sex education that favors just one “case” will be inadequate. The education of all will be caused to conform to the position the State has chosen, whether we like it or not.

 

[Tomdstone]

It’s a sobering article. But the conclusions are logical. SSM is being held as a norm for family creation exactly on par with the marriage of a man and woman. Surely then any refusal to adopt story books which do not portray the full gamut of “normal” relations will be attacked as discriminatory. Parents will be denied the right to object or be notified of such class content, because it is now the “norm”. Sex education that favors just one “case” will be inadequate. The education of all will be caused to conform to the position the State has chosen, whether we like it or not.

Russia has laws prohibiting the distribution of homosexual propaganda to children. But they are under sanctions from the USA and the EU.

 

[Rau]

Russia has laws prohibiting the distribution of homosexual propaganda to children. But they are under sanctions from the USA and the EU.

Russia has lots of laws Tom. SSM is not one of them. Some of Russia’s laws no doubt deserve condemnation.

 

[KSU]

Russia has laws prohibiting the distribution of homosexual propaganda to children. But they are under sanctions from the USA and the EU.

Tom, would you please explain your comment about sanctions? What sanctions? Are you saying some sanctions prohibit Russia from banning distribution of homosexual propaganda to children?

 

[JimG]

“Let us be clear about what has taken place in the Supreme Court decision extending homosexual marriage to the entire nation. Justice Anthony Kennedy has led the Court in affirming a denial of reality and in enshrining darkness as if it were light, blindness as if it were sight.”

The Court says, Farewell, Reality.

 

[Finite]

I missed the part where you explained why, not infrequently, a small group of the population feels justified to obnoxiously, arrogantly and sometimes violently demand acceptance by Christian society to the point of ridiculing Christianity by attacks in the media and on talk shows, vulgar parades, disruption of Catholic worship and legal actions which potentially ruin livelihoods–which is just fine with you because " A business isn’t a church."

You can bet that same small group of the population, “most of which aren’t doing anything to bother anyone”, already has readied legal actions to remove tax exempt status from Churches that refuse to bless sodomy. That bothers millions of people.

That same small group of the population, in the case of the Canadian and European gulags, have made it problematic as to whether a priest may teach about certain portions of Scripture from the pulpit without being hauled into court for hate speech. You can bet that’s also on the agenda in this country; in fact a Democrat Representative tried years ago to get such legislation enacted here.

So please, spare me the crocodile tears.

You’re still lumping together all homosexuals into one giant activist group.

No, most aren’t out to take away tax exempt statuses. Most would rather go to a business they know will take their money than go through all the hassle. Many are Christians themselves.

You can talk all day long about how “activists are out to get you”, but the reality (that doesn’t make the news because it’s not as interesting) is most gay people mind their own business and expect the same in return.

There were at least hundreds of gay couples that married in your state in this last week, of them, I wonder how many now have marked “marriage” off of their agenda and are now focusing on how to attack you? Not many, if any.

But please…feel free wasting your time trying to convince the world how they’re all the same and have a thirst for blood. In the meantime, something tells me most of these couples will be more focused on a weekend BBQ, their child’s field trip or a work deadline.

 

[KSU]

You’re still lumping together all homosexuals into one giant activist group.

No, most aren’t out to take away tax exempt statuses. Most would rather go to a business they know will take their money than go through all the hassle. Many are Christians themselves.

You can talk all day long about how “activists are out to get you”, but the reality (that doesn’t make the news because it’s not as interesting) is most gay people mind their own business and expect the same in return.

There were at least hundreds of gay couples that married in your state in this last week, of them, I wonder how many now have marked “marriage” off of their agenda and are now focusing on how to attack you? Not many, if any.

But please…feel free wasting your time trying to convince the world how they’re all the same and have a thirst for blood. In the meantime, something tells me most of these couples will be more focused on a weekend BBQ, their child’s field trip or a work deadline.

I agree that most homosexuals don’t want to cause trouble. In fact, it’s offensive that you say I think all homosexuals are militant monsters. You obviously haven’t read all my posts in this thread; not that I can blame you.

But then you can’t just jump in at the end of the thread and slam all the opposition herein to SSM as though it’s unjust and a waste of time because you say the Catholic Church will never be forced to accept SSM; and because if some Christian businesses get sued out of existence it’s OK because a business isn’t a church. That’s outrageous.

What I reject completely is your earlier statement that opponents of SSM should desist in making the world “a little dimmer for a small group of the population, most of which aren’t doing anything to bother anyone”. “Most of which”! The Jews would call that chutzpah. Most of the Germans weren’t doing anything to bother anyone, either, so just forget about it, right?

And what about the despicable (to us) propaganda our kids will now be subjected to in schools? Do you really think we should just forget about it and let it happen so that we don’t hurt the feelings of the non-militant homosexuals who aren’t doing anything to bother anyone?

Think again, because the fight is just getting started. Don’t you think the non-militant homosexuals should join our cause out of decency and in order to end the problem?

 

[zz912]

I may have left the church, but if there is one thing I miss, it’s being a part of a community that does a lot of good. I still volunteer, but I sometimes miss the church in that regard. I feel like this is what Catholics should be doing now: focusing on doing good. Wasting day after day trying to fight something that, let’s face it, you will never win, is time that could be used out in the world volunteering. Bettering the world. Not trying to make it a little dimmer for a small group of the population, most of which aren’t doing anything to bother anyone.

Sigh.

Opposing the evil of same-sex “marriage” IS doing good. Warning people of sinful behavior, especially when the culture tells them it’s not sinful, IS doing good. One of the greatest goods you can do.

 

[Darryl_Revok]

Think again, because the fight is just getting started. Don’t you think the non-militant homosexuals should join our cause out of decency and in order to end the problem?

What is your cause that non-militant homosexuals should join? What is the problem that you and the non-militant homosexuals share?

 

[KSU]

What is your cause that non-militant homosexuals should join? What is the problem that you and the non-militant homosexuals share?

You know very well what our cause is: To legally neutralize militant homosexuals from acting as monsters who attack our Constitutional right to freely and openly practice our Faith in the market place, in our Church and in the schools we pay for with our taxes.

We want the freedom God grants all Americans in the compact our Founders built with Him–a freedom which never before existed anywhere else in the world and for which Americans have been fighting and dying for ever since. It’s called American exceptionalism; the envy of the world.

In short, Darryl, our cause is to regain our God-given right to live freely as American Catholics–something militant homosexuals and their Liberal political allies don’t want us to enjoy any longer. They call its denial to us “progress.”

Do you really think we will give that up because some militants don’t like it? Wars have been started over less.