Supreme court unlikely to delay Obama healthcare ruling

[Rich_Olszewski]

Fighting hard is good. Speaking the language of the judge or jury is better.

That can mean a lot of things. I’ve been to court representing someone and told them to dress the best they can, wash themselves and their clothes, trim their beards, and for a woman, brush her hair so it doesn’t look as though she just rolled out of bed, etc., etc. That is speaking to the jury and to the judge as well. The way they see you is the way they’ll judge you.

 

[gilliam]

That can mean a lot of things. I’ve been to court representing someone and told them to dress the best they can, wash themselves and their clothes, trim their beards, and for a woman, brush her hair so it doesn’t look as though she just rolled out of bed, etc., etc. That is speaking to the jury and to the judge as well. The way they see you is the way they’ll judge you.

Yes, very true. Inside and outside the courtroom.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Yes, very true. Inside and outside the courtroom.

You’d be surprised, or maybe not, by the way people dress when they’re in court - even traffic court. Any old way.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

It’s ad hominem. Remember blogs are people too Just like newspapers or news casts.

as well as corporations and unions!

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

as well as corporations and unions!

Is there anyone or anything we’ve left out?

 

[SamH]

How about the KKK? Want to read through their arguments or just dismiss them because they are the KKK? How about the ACLU, that perennial favorite of conservatives? Or best of all, Planned Parenthood, the CAF darling?

Sorry, but I have better uses of my time than to be neutral to everyone.

So now Buckley and orderinthecourt.org are comparible to the KKK? Seems pretty ad hominem in my opinion.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

So now Buckley and orderinthecourt.org are comparible to the KKK? Seems pretty ad hominem in my opinion.

Yeah. It’s a shame to see who has to be dragged through the mud for me to make a point.

 

[sedonaman]

… They all lie.

How do you know if you don’t read them? This sounds like another fallacy. Besides, who says that so-called right-wingers are wrong? They are for the status quo. What started as a demand for basic civil rights has been mutated into a Left-winger demand to overturn the whole society, along with its traditions and norms, its standards and laws, its history and heroes. They do this without even attempting to justify change; a simple “Why not?” is enough for them. All because they never learned Western Civ that they chucked in the '60s.

 

[Dawnia]

You’d be surprised, or maybe not, by the way people dress when they’re in court - even traffic court. Any old way.

No kidding! One of our clients actually told the attorney that the judge shouldn’t be so judgy. I nearly busted a gut.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

How do you know if you don’t read them? This sounds like another fallacy.

Lighten up, friend. I am perfectly aware that not all news sources are liars. Must conservatives be so literal and humorless as not to see when a liberal poster is deliberately being a bit over the top with them? Sheesh!

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

No kidding! One of our clients actually told the attorney that the judge shouldn’t be so judgy. I nearly busted a gut.

Torn jeans, jeans worn too tightly by young women, men who look as though they’ve just been working under their cars, girls with tank tops and too much bosom showing, shower clogs, t-shirts with insulting phrases on them - I’ve seen them all. Not that everyone comes to court so slovenly, but…

But, when a person tries to look decent, even those who are poor, they tend to get the best deal from a judge who recognizes their effort.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

The fact that Joe said it will stand gives me more reason to believe Obamacare will be overturned.

From your keyboard to God’s ears.

 

[Dawnia]

Torn jeans, jeans worn too tightly by young women, men who look as though they’ve just been working under their cars, girls with tank tops and too much bosom showing, shower clogs, t-shirts with insulting phrases on them - I’ve seen them all. Not that everyone comes to court so slovenly, but…

But, when a person tries to look decent, even those who are poor, they tend to get the best deal from a judge who recognizes their effort.

It’s because the judge knows they are taking it seriously.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

It’s because the judge knows they are taking it seriously.

 

[_Abyssinia]

LOPEZ: Is there any fix for the HHS mandate short of rescinding it?

MESSNER: The Obama administration could have included robust protections for religious freedom in the mandate. Instead, it finalized the mandate with what the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty calls “the stingiest definition” of a religious organization ever to appear in federal law.

There has been a lot of talk about the so-called “accommodation” proposed by the administration in February and now subject to public commenting in an advanced notice of proposed rule-making. But as James Capretta has explained in a recent analysis for NRO, this approach is no solution at all.

The truth is that freedom of conscience goes hand in hand with greater freedom in general. This particular mandate is just the first in what could become a long list of problems for religious and moral conscience under the Obamacare regulatory regime.

People and groups with sufficient energy and financial resources can try to find ways to exempt their way through the mess on a regulation by regulation basis. But for those who support a robust vision of religious freedom in America, it is time to start thinking more strategically.

The best way to fix the HHS mandate is to rescind it along with the rest of Obamacare. That way the country can start with a clean state and implement authentic health-care reforms that respect freedom and fulfill the moral responsibility many Americans feel for the poor, sick, and needy.

LOPEZ: How is the HHS mandate related to the individual mandate and this week’s Supreme Court case?

MESSNER: The common theme is freedom. As most people probably know, this week the Supreme Court considers arguments about whether the federal government is constitutionally permitted to force American citizens to enter the market for health insurance. The HHS Mandate is about what drugs and services health-care plans must include. These various mandates are really just different sides of the big box that Obamacare builds around freedom. When freedom in general gets trapped inside the Obamacare box, freedom of religious and moral conscience is likely to get trapped too.

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=28600

 

[Caldera]

Stunning Finding: President’s Health Law Creates $17 Trillion in Unfunded Financial Obligations

youtube.com/watch?v=ZoFsaVkL6HM

WASHINGTON, March 29–On the Senate floor today, Ranking Member Sessions announced that a new Budget Committee analysis has found that the long-term, unfunded liabilities associated with President Obama’s health care law will reach $17 trillion. The Committee’s analysis is based on the Obama Administration’s own numbers as well as those from the Congressional Budget Office. It is a modest, conservative estimate and yet is still more than double that of Social Security.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Stunning Finding: President’s Health Law Creates $17 Trillion in Unfunded Financial Obligations

youtube.com/watch?v=ZoFsaVkL6HM

WASHINGTON, March 29–On the Senate floor today, Ranking Member Sessions announced that a new Budget Committee analysis has found that the long-term, unfunded liabilities associated with President Obama’s health care law will reach $17 trillion. The Committee’s analysis is based on the Obama Administration’s own numbers as well as those from the Congressional Budget Office. It is a modest, conservative estimate and yet is still more than double that of Social Security.

OMG

 

[sedonaman]

Torn jeans, jeans worn too tightly by young women, men who look as though they’ve just been working under their cars, girls with tank tops and too much bosom showing, shower clogs, t-shirts with insulting phrases on them …
…

Not to hijack the thread, but this sounds like some churches I’ve attended.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Dean: Individual mandate 'not really necessary’

Former Democratic Party chief Howard Dean said Sunday that the so-called individual mandate is “not really necessary” to the federal health care overhaul, and said a Supreme Court decision to invalidate the provision could end up helping President Obama.

…

Dean, though, downplayed the implications for Obama of a landmark ruling against the mandate.

“The mandate is something that’s not really necessary, first of all. If the justices strike it down, it might actually help the president, because the people don’t like the mandate,” Dean said on “Fox News Sunday.” “But if the rest of the bill stays intact, I think it will ultimately be seen as a victory for the president.”

foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/01/dean-individual-mandate-not-really-necessary/#ixzz1qoiHfl7E

Similarly, James Carville, Democrat strategist is saying a similar thing:

hotair.com/archives/2012/03/27/carville-obamacare-being-struck-down-would-be-the-best-thing-ever-to-happen-to-democrats

It sounds like spin from both of them.

For ObamaCare to be overturned, which was Obama’s signature achievement, and he provide expertise on constitutional law will not look good, no matter how you spin it.

Didn’t the Supreme Court judges basically say the mandate was central to the whole ObamaCare Act?

What is ObamaCare without the individual mandate?

ABC news/Washington post poll found 67% of people want the supreme court to scrap all or part of the law. If the Supreme Court only scraps the mandate that won’t satisfy people:

langerresearch.com/uploads/1135a5HealthCare.pdf

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Stunning Finding: President’s Health Law Creates $17 Trillion in Unfunded Financial Obligations

youtube.com/watch?v=ZoFsaVkL6HM

WASHINGTON, March 29–On the Senate floor today, Ranking Member Sessions announced that a new Budget Committee analysis has found that the long-term, unfunded liabilities associated with President Obama’s health care law will reach $17 trillion. The Committee’s analysis is based on the Obama Administration’s own numbers as well as those from the Congressional Budget Office. It is a modest, conservative estimate and yet is still more than double that of Social Security.

Not very stunning to those of us who knew what it was about in the first place. But hopefully a few more people might listen now.