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The official government story at the moment is they started shooting at him before he pulled the gun. That is, of course, if he actually pulled a gun.
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Zzyzx_Road
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Too bad Reinoehl won’t make it to his trial. That was definitely not self defense as he claimed. Check out the surveillance photos.
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There is apparently more to to this. Including that guy who was trailing Danielson and Pappas in those surveillance photos and appears to have fled the scene with Reinoehl.
I also find it strange that Reinoehl was arrested twice in recent months for carrying a loaded gun in public yet he never went to prison. A second offense like that in Oregon is supposed to be a ten year sentence. Was someone higher up protecting him? Or was he released because he spoke “antifa”?
New images show Antifa activist 'lying in wait' before fatal shooting
Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt on Friday released the unsealed arrest warrant for Michael Forest Reinoehl, 48, who was killed by a fugitive task force in Washington state.
There is apparently more to to this. Including that guy who was trailing Danielson and Pappas in those surveillance photos and appears to have fled the scene with Reinoehl.
I also find it strange that Reinoehl was arrested twice in recent months for carrying a loaded gun in public yet he never went to prison. A second offense like that in Oregon is supposed to be a ten year sentence. Was someone higher up protecting him? Or was he released because he spoke “antifa”?
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Did anyone seriously think it was?
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Balto1
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Multiple eyewitnesses say the dead guy pulled first, probably should have pulled his gun instead of his bear spray if he wanted to play gunslinger.
You have to have a trial before you go to prison. There are massive court backlogs everywhere.
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YADA
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Well … he did not pull the bear spray - it was in his hand being carried.
You also probably have to show up for your scheduled court appearances to have that trial but of course this man did not - ergo one of the warrants for his arrest was for “failure to appear” … running from the law is not being a good lawful citizen …
If he was in fact - acting in self defense - he could have and should have stayed at the scene . after all he states he was providing security for the protests [riots, looting and arson] … People who are in positions of authority and acting lawfully - like security personnel, would not flee from action they took - especially if said action was in defense of self or others from someone who was out to commit murder - which is what he stated in his interview he was doing - saving a persons life …
Its all lies and no matter how many ties you try to spin it - the lie is there for all to see …
He was a criminal in his past and in the months leading up to this event, then he committed a criminal act that resulted in a man’s death, he fled the scene, he fled the state and when he no longer could flee and the police where present, he resisted arrest … none of that is acting as an innocent person.
You also probably have to show up for your scheduled court appearances to have that trial but of course this man did not - ergo one of the warrants for his arrest was for “failure to appear” … running from the law is not being a good lawful citizen …
If he was in fact - acting in self defense - he could have and should have stayed at the scene . after all he states he was providing security for the protests [riots, looting and arson] … People who are in positions of authority and acting lawfully - like security personnel, would not flee from action they took - especially if said action was in defense of self or others from someone who was out to commit murder - which is what he stated in his interview he was doing - saving a persons life …
Its all lies and no matter how many ties you try to spin it - the lie is there for all to see …
He was a criminal in his past and in the months leading up to this event, then he committed a criminal act that resulted in a man’s death, he fled the scene, he fled the state and when he no longer could flee and the police where present, he resisted arrest … none of that is acting as an innocent person.
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pnewton
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I have never thought sending federal officers and employees to patrol streets was a good idea. However, this sort of warrant service is the exact type of action that the US Marshall’s are trained to do properly. Time will tell, but the most likely scenario is that he challenged the wrong people. The right to bear arms never extends to bearing arms against police when they are serving you a warrant.
All this rhetoric hit squads and jack-boot is nothing but sound and fury.
All this rhetoric hit squads and jack-boot is nothing but sound and fury.
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Balto1
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He could have, but as far as I’m aware there’s no legal requirement to do so.
It wasn’t U.S. Marshalls, it was deputized local goons.
You can keep your head in the sand if you like.
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Really, you want to take this position? No legal requirement to submit to questioning when you just shot a person in what you would later assert is self defense … that is laughable. And this person knew that as he had prior experience with law enforcement - lots of it … which of course is why he ran, he was a criminal - he was not your good citizen. Guilty people do that … he did not run out of fear from others if there had been others there and they were out for his blood after the shooting. He ran because he had shot a person - and not in self defense … who later died … he ran because he knew he had committed a crime.
Given your position - that it might not have been required and perhaps understandable in the heat of the moment and all … Then why did he not turn himself in the next morning? - Calm heads prevailing and all that … knowing the man had died at his hand, knowing that the police were investigating and looking for the shooter, then when they had identified and were looking for him specifically … AND after speaking with his legal counsel - WHY did he run from what he said was a self defense action? … BECAUSE it was not self defense, it was not even close to self defense
Dont you get dizzy in all of the spinning you are forced to do?
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Balto1
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If police want to arrest someone they can, and if they want to question someone they can request an interview, but there’s no legal requirement to turn yourself in or answer questions. That is the opposite of laughable, it’s a basic constitutional right.
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YADA
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So - when you have a court order to appear before a judge - are you required to do so under the constitution? Or is that laughable as well ? If you ail to do so and a warrant is issued for your arrest - do you have any legal duties or responsibilities? Or is that laughable as well? - that was all prior to his stalking and killing an individual.
If there is a warrant for your arrest - do you have a responsibility to submit to law enforcement - with legal representation of course - or is that laughable as well? If h e had no duty to stay the night he killed the man - and he was wanted for questioning - he had no duty to do so?
Not even a civic duty? … a moral duty?
I find your position - not laughable but morally reprehensible and a the antithesis of the justice people are asking for during these protests … of course - the ideals of justice and ending police brutality were lost months ago - the entire PDX scene is about anarchy, lawlessness, intimidation and marxism - tearing down the rule of law
If there is a warrant for your arrest - do you have a responsibility to submit to law enforcement - with legal representation of course - or is that laughable as well? If h e had no duty to stay the night he killed the man - and he was wanted for questioning - he had no duty to do so?
Not even a civic duty? … a moral duty?
I find your position - not laughable but morally reprehensible and a the antithesis of the justice people are asking for during these protests … of course - the ideals of justice and ending police brutality were lost months ago - the entire PDX scene is about anarchy, lawlessness, intimidation and marxism - tearing down the rule of law
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Video was shown after his death that he was walking in front of them and was hiding and waiting for the protesters.
New images show Antifa activist lying in wait before fatal shooting of pro-Trump demonstrator | Daily Mail Online(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
I see the article was posted but there is the picture.
New images show Antifa activist lying in wait before fatal shooting of pro-Trump demonstrator | Daily Mail Online(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
I see the article was posted but there is the picture.
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pnewton
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Maybe you were present or know something others do not. This is what I read. But language that diminishes people to “goons” is no better than any other slur that has been used during this racial strife and class confrontation.
Suspect in Portland killing of far-right protester 'shot dead' by US marshals
Federal and local officers were trying to arrest Michael Forest Reinoehl, 48, on an arrest warrant, says sheriff’s office
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WingedHussar
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People will lie. Fortunately the camera does not lie. The camera establishes that Danielson was walking away while the communist murderer was already executing his ambush.
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WingedHussar
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Communists present a uniquely high level of danger to the public safety and order during this low grade civil war. Letting an enemy combatant safely retreat would have been gravely detrimental to that order.
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Balto1
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You’re required to appear, but depending on what kind of order there’s not necessarily a requirement to say anything.
No, but you’re subject to arrest if you encounter law enforcement.
From your link:
From the article your link cites:
As I said, deputized local goons.
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WingedHussar
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Good, that makes it harder for leftist DA’s to let their communist foot-soldiers off.
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YADA
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And this criminal failed to appear for his day in court - not willing to face the judge and receive his due sentence or be found not guilty. He decided he was above the law and free to ignore any law he chose.
This is evidenced by his drunk and or drugged driving and endangerment of his own children … And ergo this criminal was subject to arrest and a lawful warrant had been issued and in place making him subject to arrest by law enforcement
That outstanding warrant for his arrest explains why he did not hang around in his next criminal action - killing a person. It also explains why he did not seek to turn himself in after the fact when he knew he was wanted for questioning. And absolutely is why he fled the state after he knew there was ANOTHER warrant for his arrest.
Or in reality, legal law enforcement officers trying to do their duty to protect the citizens of their state from an accused murderer with multiple warrants for his arrest.
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Balto1
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Correct. A warrant doesn’t mean the police get to gun you down however. As we know from the police’s own story they started shooting at him before he did anything or allegedly pulled a gun.
There was no additional warrant until long after he left.
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YADA
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I guess - in reality -
We dont know that the police started shooting before he pulled his gun … you assert that - However, the but news reports have had little detail on the actual course of events and no official police statements indicate that … though news reports describe one citizen near by stating an “exchange of gun fire” … that at least implies both police and the man being arrested shooting weapons
We dont know exactly when he left PDX for Washington either nor exactly the time the warrant was issued - I would hazard a guess once his name was in the paper - he knew or surmised a warrant was in the works … again - he had first hand knowledge and experience with law enforcement procedures from earlier violations of various laws
We dont know that the police started shooting before he pulled his gun … you assert that - However, the but news reports have had little detail on the actual course of events and no official police statements indicate that … though news reports describe one citizen near by stating an “exchange of gun fire” … that at least implies both police and the man being arrested shooting weapons
We dont know exactly when he left PDX for Washington either nor exactly the time the warrant was issued - I would hazard a guess once his name was in the paper - he knew or surmised a warrant was in the works … again - he had first hand knowledge and experience with law enforcement procedures from earlier violations of various laws
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pnewton
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I reject the hypocrisy of assuming the innocence of everyone the police encounter and assuming the guilt of every police in an encounter. A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways.
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