Sweden defends no lockdown plan; says coronavirus immunity growing

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Emeraldlady . . .
We aren’t ‘remaining in hibernation’. We are coming out in increments.
Look. If you want to think arresting salon owners for working is coming out of hibernation,
I’m OK with you thinking that.

As for me?

I have not seen enough yet.
 
Sweden is also killing people. Therefore those are expendable people, necessary so other people can make money. Perhaps we should save the vulnerable populations the horrors of dying by respiratory distress and help them along, you know, for the economy.
 
No, it doesn’t as the estimated cases and deaths predicted were a lot higher than the present numbers are.
Projected when? IHME has had Sweden peaking in late May.

THis graphic might put into perspective who is doing well in teh pandemic.
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Projected when? IHME has had Sweden peaking in late May.
That is a bs projection, Sweden already bent their curve, they’ve stabilized both new infections and deaths with lesser mitigations than lock down

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dvdjs . . .
THis graphic might put into perspective who is doing well in teh pandemic.
You forgot to mention ONLY if they REMAIN in lockdown dvdjs.

Sooner or later they are going to have to come out.
 
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Theo520 . . . .
That is a bs projection, Sweden already bent their curve
Great point.

This is almost certainly WHY the WHO cites Sweden for a model.

WHO says Sweden should be world model for coronavirus response​

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As much as the WHO has gotten wrong on this pandemic, they are getting this correct.
 
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Here is the touted IHME projection for Sweden

June first is their projected peak with 131 deaths/day, but they ain’t got much confidence and give a range from 12-646

No exponential growth in Sweden, they tamed their curve​

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On the contrary.
We’ve gone through this before, and you were wrong.

For the punters, their projections for sweden are about like the below teacher’s CI, far to wide to indicate any value. A statistician would say they need a bigger sample size.

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This is a long term problem and they should be restructuring their facilities, not seeking immunity. The nation is dependant on their making modifications to facilitate a vital public need.
 
Not much to restructure. If you have ever been in a meat-producing facility, you would see that hair, including facial hair, is covered with throw-away paper covers. People wear gloves and are required to thoroughly wash hands and lower arms in disinfectant before putting on the gloves. They wear coverall smocks that are laundered daily. They wear rubber boots and are required to walk through disinfectant solution with them before entering the production areas. They wear ear plugs and many of them, perhaps most, wear throw-away goggles. I believe they now also wear masks.

As most of them are working with knives, they do maintain a reasonable distance. The facilities are constantly washed down with disinfectant solution and live steam. The product is washed in chlorine solution. The air is rapidly changed.

There would be some few stations where the people are not “socially distanced” but it would be few. To the extent they have a problem, it would simply be in the fact that people do not observe practices like that outside the workplace. I doubt any of the ones testing positive got it in the plant.
 
This is a long term problem and they should be restructuring their facilities, not seeking immunity. The nation is dependant on their making modifications to facilitate a vital public need.
It is bit of a mess.

Case numbers spike in meatpacking cities​

Across the country, production at meatpacking plants and other food processing centers has slowed or stopped because of large outbreaks, including one at a Smithfield facility in South Dakota that sickened more than 1,000 people and three at Tyson facilities in Iowa that sickened hundreds of people.

The Times has identified more than 60 food processing facilities across the country with coronavirus outbreaks. The CDC said at least 4,900 meat and poultry processing workers had been infected across 19 states, and at least 20 had died. Though outbreaks have been reported in every region of the country, the rural Midwest and South have been especially hard hit.

Some companies, including Tyson and Smithfield, have refused to answer even basic questions about the size of their outbreaks. And in some places, state and local health officials have also been silent. In Kansas, state officials said there were 544 meatpacking-related cases spread across six clusters, but they refused to name those facilities. In Nebraska, where the National Guard has helped with the mass-testing of meatpacking workers, state and local officials have often refused to provide details. Officials in Virginia, Maryland and North Carolina, among other places, have also not provided that information.

Small metro areas with large meatpacking industries are seeing some of the country’s highest rates of growth in cases. In the county that includes Green Bay, Wis., where there are outbreaks at three meatpacking facilities, cases have more than doubled in two weeks. In Cass County, Ind., where at least 900 Tyson workers tested positive, the number of known cases surged from roughly 50 to more than 1,400 over three weeks. And in Dakota County, Neb., which has the second-highest per capita infection rate of any American county, roughly one of every 14 residents has tested positive.
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Mr. Trump recently declared the meatpacking plants to be critical infrastructure, part of an effort to keep the facilities open. … Representatives for meatpacking workers said more protections were needed in order for the facilities to keep operating. In central Nebraska, the mayor of Grand Island called for federal help testing employees of his city’s hard-hit JBS USA beef processing plant.

“The president, by his stay-open order to JBS, is now responsible to make sure the workers at JBS are tested,” Mayor Roger Steele said recently.
 
Here is the touted IHME projection for Sweden

June first is their projected peak with 131 deaths/day, but they ain’t got much confidence and give a range from 12-646

No exponential growth in Sweden, they tamed their curve​

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For contrast, here is the projection for NJ, with far less uncertainty
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Early cases bgan appearing at the start of March in Sweden and its neighbors.
Norway and Sweden hit 1000 cases in mid-March, Finland a week later.
Now, in deaths per million population Norway has 40, Finland 49, and Sweden 319.
Up to eight-fold higher deaths is a large failure. Notwithstanding all of the prior knowledge and time to prepare, Sweden is closing in on Spain and Italy.
How about we let this pandemic run its course and then compare numbers?
 
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