Sweden Moves to Ban Homeschooling for Religious or Philosophical Reasons

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Cracker_Mom said:
My experience has been that most folks are grateful not to have to educate their kids & to let the state do it for free.The few that homeschool are very dedicated & try to do their best for their child’s education.
Homeschooling requires hard work,time & energy.Not an easy job.And not attractive to most folks who are drunks or "dopers.’
Public schools here in our area have almost a 50% drop out rate.Fifty percent of our young people are not thriving nor flourishing under the present conditions.
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If few illiterate or incompetent parents attempt to teach, then the task of preventing them becomes easier.
 
WillieWonka said:
I agree some parents get better results, and some get worse. I doubt illiterate parents do very well.
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Are you aware of illiterate folk who homeschool? I don’t know, maybe there are some somewhere, but I’ve not heard of it.
Our state does not require parents to hold a high school diploma to homeschool under certain conditions:they hire a tutor, use an accredited private school online, etc.
I think the bottom line would be statistics showing the outcome of homeschooling students vs public/private schools.From what I’ve seen, homeschooling students have had high achievement scores.But perhaps you can find a link that shows otherwise?
 
WillieWonka said:
I haven’t argued home schooled kids fare worse than public school kids.

I have argued illiterate and incompetent parents cannot teach, and allowing them to do so would violate the kids legal right to an education.
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And I have yet to hear anyone argue for that, so what’s your point?
 
Cracker_Mom said:
…I think the bottom line would be statistics showing the outcome of homeschooling students vs public/private schools.From what I’ve seen, homeschooling students have had high achievement scores…
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HSLDA published one study just a few days ago on that very topic: hslda.org/docs/news/200908100.asp

Composite scores showed homeschoolers tested in the 86th%ile compared to public school students at the 50th%ile. Increased government regulation did not improve the scores. Those in states with low regulations for homeschoolers tested similarly to those in state states that have higher regulations.

(Those results were in the USA, not Sweden.)
 
gardenswithkids said:
HSLDA published one study just a few days ago on that very topic: hslda.org/docs/news/200908100.asp

Composite scores showed homeschoolers tested in the 86th%ile compared to public school students at the 50th%ile. Increased government regulation did not improve the scores. Those in states with low regulations for homeschoolers tested similarly to those in state states that have higher regulations.

(Those results were in the USA, not Sweden.)
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Thanks! Appreciate it!
We homeschooled for many years, used parochial & public schools out of necessity, and are returning to homeschooling this fall, God willing.
 
Cracker_Mom said:
Are you aware of illiterate folk who homeschool? I don’t know, maybe there are some somewhere, but I’ve not heard of it.
Our state does not require parents to hold a high school diploma to homeschool under certain conditions:they hire a tutor, use an accredited private school online, etc.
I think the bottom line would be statistics showing the outcome of homeschooling students vs public/private schools.From what I’ve seen, homeschooling students have had high achievement scores.But perhaps you can find a link that shows otherwise?
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I don’t know any literate or illiterate home schoolers.

Statistics don’t keep illiterate parents from teaching. I see no reason to sacrifice the kids of parents who insist on teaching when they are incompetent.
 
wabrams said:
And I have yet to hear anyone argue for that, so what’s your point?
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It is reasonable for the state to uphold the legal right of a kid to have an education by preventing incompetent parents from home schooling.
 
WillieWonka said:
It is reasonable for the state to uphold the legal right of a kid to have an education by preventing incompetent parents from home schooling.
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You’re not making any sense. The state only wants parents to be able to home school under “extraordinary circumstances”.

Are you saying a parent that loves their child more then a State ever could and desires to make the best effort in educating their child thorugh their own means and not the State should be rejected?

Who determines what’s extraordinary? The child belongs to the parent, not the other way around.
 
Michael_C said:
You’re not making any sense. The state only wants parents to be able to home school under “extraordinary circumstances”.

Are you saying a parent that loves their child more then a State ever could and desires to make the best effort in educating their child thorugh their own means and not the State should be rejected?

Who determines what’s extraordinary? The child belongs to the parent, not the other way around.
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It’s not about who loves the child more, it’s about competency. Every child deserves to get the best education possible.

Would you want any child to be homeschooled by someone who was not intelligent enough to graduate HS themselves?

Don’t get me wrong, I love the idea of homeschooling and I have family members who have done it very successfully. However, for the sake of the children there does need to be some kind of assurance that the schooling is being done by someone who understands what they are teaching.
 
mkingdomlvr said:
Don’t get me wrong, I love the idea of homeschooling and I have family members who have done it very successfully. However, for the sake of the children there does need to be some kind of assurance that the schooling is being done by someone who understands what they are teaching.
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But that’s not what is at the essence of Sweden’s new law.
 
Michael_C said:
You’re not making any sense. The state only wants parents to be able to home school under “extraordinary circumstances”.

Are you saying a parent that loves their child more then a State ever could and desires to make the best effort in educating their child thorugh their own means and not the State should be rejected?

Who determines what’s extraordinary? The child belongs to the parent, not the other way around.
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I don’t care how much a parent loves a kid. If he is illiterate or incompetent to teach the kid, then the state must protect the kid from that parent.

I don’t know anything about “extraordinary corcumstances.” I am speaking in general.

The child does not belong to the parent. The child is not the object of property rights. The child is a member of society with a legal right to an education, and is entitled to having the state enforce that right.
 
WillieWonka said:
I don’t care how much a parent loves a kid. If he is illiterate or incompetent to teach the kid, then the state must protect the kid from that parent.

I don’t know anything about “extraordinary corcumstances.” I am speaking in general.

The child does not belong to the parent. The child is not the object of property rights. The child is a member of society with a legal right to an education, and is entitled to having the state enforce that right.
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In summary: Nor does the child belong to the state.

God Bless.

Chris.
 
Willie you keep harping on the point that illiterate parents should not have the right to teach their kids. This whole argument you keep restating isn’t based on any facts presented. You haven’t presented any cases of illiterate parents homeschooling their children. Your comments are on a thread about banning homeschooling in Sweden. Are you suggesting most Swedes who homeschool are illiterate? Because your comments don’t seem to relate to the subject matter of this thread. From what it looks like it seems like you just like to argue.

Facts that have been presented by others show that that homeschoolers by a large margin test better than public schooled children and homeschooled children are over-all doing better than publicly schooled children and yet all you keep saying is illiterate parents shouldn’t be allowed to homeschool. Where are these illiterate parents who are so eager to homeschool their children? Are they all in Sweden? Because other wise you need to stick to the subject or start your own thread on illiterate parents homeschooling children. This thread is about banning homeschooling in Sweden.
 
mkingdomlvr said:
It’s not about who loves the child more, it’s about competency. Every child deserves to get the best education possible.

Would you want any child to be homeschooled by someone who was not intelligent enough to graduate HS themselves?

Don’t get me wrong, I love the idea of homeschooling and I have family members who have done it very successfully. However, for the sake of the children there does need to be some kind of assurance that the schooling is being done by someone who understands what they are teaching.
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Where’s your proof that stupid people can’t successfully homeschool? Since hsing has overwhelmingly proven itself over many decades now, the ball rests in your court to prove that it’s a problem.

If stupid people can’t educate, why do teachers average the lowest SAT scores among university majors? 🤷

I’ve known poorly educated people who hs, and their children do well. They know that they are at a disadvantage and they work their tail off for their children. I can’t tell you how many people discover phonics for the first time and become better readers themselves. Or discover that they understand algebra even though they only squeaked by in high school. The greatest discovery is how much they learn about their faith.

It’s amazing what a person can do for love of a child.

Why don’t you look at that plank in your own eye for a while?
 
rayne89 said:
Willie you keep harping on the point that illiterate parents should not have the right to teach their kids. This whole argument you keep restating isn’t based on any facts presented. You haven’t presented any cases of illiterate parents homeschooling their children. Your comments are on a thread about banning homeschooling in Sweden. Are you suggesting most Swedes who homeschool are illiterate? Because your comments don’t seem to relate to the subject matter of this thread. From what it looks like it seems like you just like to argue.

Facts that have been presented by others show that that homeschoolers by a large margin test better than public schooled children and homeschooled children are over-all doing better than publicly schooled children and yet all you keep saying is illiterate parents shouldn’t be allowed to homeschool. Where are these illiterate parents who are so eager to homeschool their children? Are they all in Sweden? Because other wise you need to stick to the subject or start your own thread on illiterate parents homeschooling children. This thread is about banning homeschooling in Sweden.
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As I stated before, the child has a legal right to an education, an illiterate, drunk, doper, or negligent parent can’t teach the kid, and the state has a duty to protect the rights of the kid.

Who disagrees? With what in particular?
  1. Does the kid have a legal right to an education?
  2. Can an illiterate, drunk, doper, or negligent parent teach the kid?
  3. Does the state have a duty to support the kid’s right to an education by preventing the parent from home schooling?
Who thinks the public schools are of such high quality that anyone who attends is quaified to teach kids?
 
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