Sweden Moves to Ban Homeschooling for Religious or Philosophical Reasons

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This reflects the thinking of many people in the US public schools. The basic idea is that
the State, not the parents, are the rightful teachers of the child. The only difference between this and Soviet Education is the character of the government that makes the rules.
 
I don’t know any literate or illiterate home schoolers.

Statistics don’t keep illiterate parents from teaching. I see no reason to sacrifice the kids of parents who insist on teaching when they are incompetent.
I think this is a strawman. The same parents may be unable to put healthy food on the table. Do you then propose to make the kids eat in a messhall?
 
Because the thread is about home schooling and the state.
I am a retired teacher. It is my experience that parents who home school are very zealous to provide a good education for their children, unlike many, many parents who use the public schools as a free baby-sitting service. So if you are going to test parents for competence as a teacher, you must grade the parents of public school pupils.
 
As I stated before, the child has a legal right to an education, an illiterate, drunk, doper, or negligent parent can’t teach the kid, and the state has a duty to protect the rights of the kid.

Who disagrees? With what in particular?
  1. Does the kid have a legal right to an education?
  2. Can an illiterate, drunk, doper, or negligent parent teach the kid?
  3. Does the state have a duty to support the kid’s right to an education by preventing the parent from home schooling?
Who thinks the public schools are of such high quality that anyone who attends is quaified to teach kids?
A child does have a legal right to an education, I agree, but what about parents who are actually fully capable? From what I observe, you seem to only see good in the state, and bad in parents. A child has his/her own right to choose if they want to seek homeschooling or public school, and not be forced under either.

God Bless.

Chris.
 
I don’t believe it is right to ban homeschooling as I realize that there are many instances where homeschooling can be much better than what is received in public school, especially if the public school is not that good. I also know that there are parents who are very good at teaching their children. Ideally, I would have loved to have had a private education at home with private teachers, instructing me in philosophy, at least 3 languages, critical thinking, art, music, literature, math, etc. (although we did get the private music and art lessons.) I dreamed of it when I was around 11 after reading about how certain people of affluence in the past were educated. I did receive something similar to that when I was a very little girl and my parents sent me to a private girls’ Catholic school, but that got to be too expensive. Although, I’m very thankful that I was able to have that experience and good start in my educational life. Then I had wanted my parents to send me to a boarding school when I was about 15 because I wanted to be around a knowledge environment. Of course, none of that happened - my parents would not have afforded it, nor would they have wanted to send me away to a boarding school. And I’m happy now that did not occur, although I still would have loved the private education.

At the same time, based on my cousins’ situation when they were homeschooled, I wish that there was some way to test the competency of the parent who is in charge of the homeschooling. Both of my cousins were “taught” by a mother who really could care less about their education. She’d give them a few sheets to do and then lay on the couch, watching television the rest of the day. They were born-agains and complained about the educational and moral state of the public school in their area, which was probably true, but their education and morality was not much better, if worse, if they stayed in the public school system. Both were never really supervised because the parents believed that since the other children they were allowed to associate with were also homeschooled they didn’t need the supervision, got into drugs and alcohol, one got pregnant at 15 and both had a very difficult time throughout their 20s. They seem to be doing well now (one is in early 30s, other in late 20s), but there was a lot of resentment towards their parents, especially their mother, for what they didn’t receive in terms of education and parenting.

Now, I’m NOT saying that all homeschooling is like this. As I said before, I know that there are some very good parents out there who can do a better job with their kids than what is offered at public schools, and perhaps what happened to my cousins are the exception to the rule. But those two kids were victims of a private home system just as much as any kid attending a poor public school are victims.

All that said, banning homeschooling, I believe is wrong.
 
As I stated before, the child has a legal right to an education, an illiterate, drunk, doper, or negligent parent can’t teach the kid, and the state has a duty to protect the rights of the kid.

Who disagrees? With what in particular?
  1. Does the kid have a legal right to an education?
  2. Can an illiterate, drunk, doper, or negligent parent teach the kid?
  3. Does the state have a duty to support the kid’s right to an education by preventing the parent from home schooling?
Who thinks the public schools are of such high quality that anyone who attends is quaified to teach kids?
What I would like to know is who are these “illiterate, drunk, doper, or negligent parents”? I have been HS for four years now and I have met well over a thousand HS families (as we tend to move a lot) and I have never come across any of these kinds of parents. You yourself stated that you have never met one of the these types of parents either, or any other kind of HS parent. So my thought is where in the heck are you coming from with this idea?

Maybe you should make it a point to go out and meet one HS family so that you can have some kind of footing in this topic.:cool:
 
I think this is a strawman. The same parents may be unable to put healthy food on the table. Do you then propose to make the kids eat in a messhall?
If the parent is too incompetent, drunk, doped, or negligent to feed the kid, yes.
 
I am a retired teacher. It is my experience that parents who home school are very zealous to provide a good education for their children, unlike many, many parents who use the public schools as a free baby-sitting service. So if you are going to test parents for competence as a teacher, you must grade the parents of public school pupils.
OK., On what would we be grading public school parents? Competence to teach kids they are not teaching and don’t intend to teach?
 
A child does have a legal right to an education, I agree, but what about parents who are actually fully capable? From what I observe, you seem to only see good in the state, and bad in parents. A child has his/her own right to choose if they want to seek homeschooling or public school, and not be forced under either.

God Bless.

Chris.
I wish the parents who are fully capable of teaching the best of luck if they choose to home school.
 
I’m not at all surprised.
Sweden WAS the first European country to begin the official persecution of Christians who refuse to approve of homophilia…
Exactly what was the persecution? What did they do to all these Christians?
 
What I would like to know is who are these “illiterate, drunk, doper, or negligent parents”? I have been HS for four years now and I have met well over a thousand HS families (as we tend to move a lot) and I have never come across any of these kinds of parents. You yourself stated that you have never met one of the these types of parents either, or any other kind of HS parent. So my thought is where in the heck are you coming from with this idea?

Maybe you should make it a point to go out and meet one HS family so that you can have some kind of footing in this topic.:cool:
I don’t know where they are. I haven’t looked.

Where am I coming from? The child has a legal right to an education, an illiterate, drunk, doper, or negligent parent can’t teach the kid, and the state has a duty to protect the rights of the kid.

Do you disagree with the above? If so, what in particular do you disagree with?
 
Willie you keep harping on the point that illiterate parents should not have the right to teach their kids. This whole argument you keep restating isn’t based on any facts presented. You haven’t presented any cases of illiterate parents homeschooling their children. Your comments are on a thread about banning homeschooling in Sweden. …From what it looks like it seems like you just like to argue.

Where are these illiterate parents who are so eager to homeschool their children? Are they all in Sweden? Because other wise you need to stick to the subject or start your own thread on illiterate parents homeschooling children. This thread is about banning homeschooling in Sweden.
Excellent observations, Rayne.
 
I don’t know where they are. I haven’t looked.

Where am I coming from? The child has a legal right to an education, an illiterate, drunk, doper, or negligent parent can’t teach the kid, and the state has a duty to protect the rights of the kid.

Do you disagree with the above? If so, what in particular do you disagree with?
No one is disagreeing with this but I am wondering why you are lumping all hsing parents with this group of people?

Can you come up with a number of these families who are obviously so huge in your mind.
 
No one is disagreeing with this but I am wondering why you are lumping all hsing parents with this group of people?

Can you come up with a number of these families who are obviously so huge in your mind.
I agree nobody is disagreeing with me on my basic position.

I am not lumping all home schooling parents with the group of illiterates, drunks, dopers, incompetents, and negligent… Why do you think I am?

I do not have a breakdown of home schooling parents by level of competence. But that would be an interesting data set.
 
I agree nobody is disagreeing with me on my basic position.

I am not lumping all home schooling parents with the group of illiterates, drunks, dopers, incompetents, and negligent… Why do you think I am?..
Because you frequently put words like “illiterates, drunks, dopers, incompetent, negligent” and even “rapists” in the same sentance as the words “parents” and “homeschoolers.”

Has it ever occurred to you that some school teachers have problems with substance abuse, sexual abuse of minors, incompetancy, etc., etc.? Of course, not *all *school teachers have such problems…If anyone wrote those accusations almost everytime he mentioned the word “school teacher” we’d start to wonder about their basic position and question what their experience has been with school teachers.
 
Because you frequently put words like “illiterates, drunks, dopers, incompetent, negligent” and even “rapists” in the same sentance as the words “parents” and “homeschoolers.”

Has it ever occurred to you that some school teachers have problems with substance abuse, sexual abuse of minors, incompetancy, etc., etc.? Of course, not *all *school teachers have such problems…If anyone wrote those accusations almost everytime he mentioned the word “school teacher” we’d start to wonder about their basic position and question what their experience has been with school teachers.
Well, if I am speaking of illiterate parents who want to home school, what other words would you have me use?

I agree some school teachers have problems with substance abuse, sexual abuse of minors, and incompetence.

I note you put “sexual abuse of minors,” and “incompetence” in the same sentence with “school teachers.” Does that mean you are lumping all school tecahers with sexual abusers and incompetents?
 
Well, if I am speaking of illiterate parents who want to home school, what other words would you have me use?..
The news article linked was about Swenden wanting to ban homeschooling for religious and philosophical reasons. It was not about illiteracy. The words “ban homeschooling” stand out to me, (maybe that’s because I can read.)
I agree some school teachers have problems with substance abuse, sexual abuse of minors, and incompetence…
Would you post those remarks repeatedly if someone started a thread about banning school teachers from educating children?
 
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