Sylvia Browne, psychics, gnostics, and the new age movement.

[Ahimsa]

Anyone can claim to be a “gnostic”, since there is no gnostic hierarchy out there to say otherwise. The question then is, what sort of “gnostic” does she claim to be? Why did she choose to identify herself with the word “gnostic”?

 

[all4life]

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XX - We believe that Our Lord was crucified but did not die on the cross and went on to live out His life in France with his mother and Mary Magdalene, his wife.

This made me chuckle, along with them with holding this information. I really do not understand how anyone who reads the bible could believe the stuff she spews forth. She and her followers really need our prayers. She has it all wrong

 

[BlessedBe13]

Peace-bwu:

I have noticed a trend, it seems Satan is trying to convince us that there is no Hell or sin, and that the only evil is within ourselves.

I have notice a trend, it seems Christians are trying to convince us that “Satan”, rather than people is responsible for the evil in this world. If God gave humans free will, it is give humans the choice to commit evil. But I suppose the idea of “Satan” is a “nice” one. Why take responsibility for my own actions? The devil made me do it!!! I do not believe in Satan or Hell, because I believe that they are scare tactics to try and keep people from choosing other religions. I, however, have no need to blame what I do wrong on some supernatural being. I accept the consequenses of what I have done, and try to live better.

I have noticed this in the acceptance of gnosticim, Wicca and other Neo Pagan religions.

Oh no! Not everyone believes the same thing. Not everyone is meant to view deity in the same way. If this was meant to happen, that’s how we would have been created.

There is more in common with these various “religions”

Why the quotes around religions? They are just as valid as any Christian “religion” (see how rude those quotes are?)

 

[littleitaly]

Feanaro:

People close to me put a lot of faith into what Sylvia Browne teaches. Saying that if she does good things like help police find missing persons, how can she be all that bad. I’ve visited her web site, sylvia.org/home/index.cfm, and noticed that although she uses the word Christian, “Gnostic Christian” to be precise, her teachings are anything but. She is nothing but another new age guru who uses the word “Christian” to deceive.

Therefore, my take is that Satan can cause people to even do good (on surface) if it will ultimately cause them to lead others away from Jesus and his Church.

Has anyone else had experience with those who have put their faith in Sylvia Browne, other psychics, gnostics, or the new age movement and some good arguments to win them back for our lord?

God bless

How right you are, yes I’ve been with an individual that believed everything good ole Sylvia had to say. I went as far as to read (try to read) one of her books. Needless to say Sylvia’s childhood life has lead her astray. She indeed was brought into the Catholic faith as a young girl but fell away from it and took on the life as a psychic. I strongly reccomend all to stay away from Sylvia and others like her. As Jesus had warned his Apostles, you will come across those who are wolves in sheeps clothing.

 

[littleitaly]

BlessedBe13:

Oh no! Not everyone believes the same thing. Not everyone is meant to view deity in the same way. If this was meant to happen, that’s how we would have been created. Why the quotes around religions? They are just as valid as any Christian “religion” (see how rude those quotes are?)

You have a saying that it does not matter what kind of faith you have as long as you have faith…My dear friend…faith is that of the Holy Spirit and no other…Your statement could suggest to othersto have faith in the evil side which is not a good thing. I hope you can see that this would not settle good in the belly of the Lord, Jesus. Peace to you always

 

[HagiaSophia]

BlessedBe13:

Oh no! Not everyone believes the same thing. Not everyone is meant to view deity in the same way. If this was meant to happen, that’s how we would have been created. Why the quotes around religions? They are just as valid as any Christian “religion” (see how rude those quotes are?)

How do you spell c r e d i b i l i t y again?

 

[BlessedBe13]

littleitaly:

faith is that of the Holy Spirit and no other

That statement is untrue. I certainly have faith, but not in the Holy Spirit.

Your statement could suggest to others to have faith in the evil side which is not a good thing.

Also untrue. I never said to have faith in “evil”. So that is not what I am suggesting. Faith is sometimes the only thing a person has to hold on to or fall back on at some of the worst points in their life, without faith, they have nothing. What I don’t believe matters is how ones view Divinity. Catholics view it as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I view it as God and Goddess. Some only worship the Goddess. Some worship several Gods and Goddesses. Some worship no specific deity. Despite the differences in these beliefs, if these faiths give people something to hold onto and to help them live the best lives they can, who is anyone to call them wrong?

 

[BlessedBe13]

HagiaSophia:

How do you spell c r e d i b i l i t y again?

And what does that have to do with anything?

 

[HagiaSophia]

BlessedBe13:

And what does that have to do with anything?

 

[Exporter]

I read the Sylvia Browne site. She doesn’t say it , but she wants you to believe her Catholic upbringing lends validity to her teaching.

I would stay away from her. She is a super con-artist.

 

[Tlaloc]

HagiaSophia:

How do you spell c r e d i b i l i t y again?

Well, judgemental christians spell it h y p o c r i s y.

(psst- remember that you aren’t supposed to do that, only God gets to judge things)

 

[HagiaSophia]

Tlaloc:

(psst- remember that you aren’t supposed to do that, only God gets to judge things)

Actually another misnomer - it’s best not to try and teach Christianity to someone when you don’t get it yourself.

 

[BlessedBe13]

I’d have to agree with Tlaloc’s post, but I am interested. Since you are apparently attacking my credibility, I would like to know why? Because of my religion, age, sex? Because guess what, I could just as easily say that someone with a Christian opinion is not credible.

 

[BlessedBe13]

HagiaSophia:

Actually another misnomer - it’s best not to try and teach Christianity to someone when you don’t get it yourself.

He probably gets it a lot better than a lot of so-called Christians. But perhaps Christians should take your advice and not make sweeping statements about religions they obviously don’t get.

 

[Fitz]

It is amazing how many wiccans want to argue Christian view points.

 

[HagiaSophia]

BlessedBe13:

I’d have to agree with Tlaloc’s post,

Than I surmise you are as ill informed as they are.

BlessedBe13:

but I am interested. Since you are apparently attacking my credibility,Frankly I know I would like to know why? Because of my religion, age, sex?

What an ego - for heaven’s sake - your posts regarding both Christianity and your response to my credibility question told me all I needed to hear. Making claims of esoteric knowledge usually does have others asking what credible information do you present on the subject. Why on heaven’s earth would I know the first thing about your age or sex?

BlessedBe13:

Because guess what, I could just as easily say that someone with a Christian opinion is not credible.

Oh stop with the na na na nah stuff - if you want to discuss subjects in forum, post like an adult. This kind of stuff makes you sound as if you are 13.

 

[HagiaSophia]

Fitz:

It is amazing how many wiccans want to argue Christian view points.

Odd isn’t it? I have met many a non-Christian or non-Catholic who can intelligently discuss points, - but civil and educated people usually ask questions - they don’t attempt to “instruct” others - that’s the problem with taking a few Christian one-liners and trying to use them, instead of witty, they come off half witty.

It does strike me odd though that Wiccans (who always turn out to be ex-something else) feel a need to "show up " in a religion forum with other denominations and attempt to “sell” the package. And when one has the temerity to ask about credibility - they assume it’s about them.

 

[Tlaloc]

HagiaSophia:

Actually another misnomer - it’s best not to try and teach Christianity to someone when you don’t get it yourself.

Really?
Just in case you forgot:
Judge not, that ye be not judged. Matthew 7:1
divineplan.org/htdbv5/htdb0040.htm

But since that’s so terribly difficult to understand perhaps you can explain how it actually means you are free to make all the judgements you want?

 

[HagiaSophia]

BlessedBe13:

He probably gets it a lot better than a lot of so-called Christians.

And you are the Christian expert who knows that I take it?

BlessedBe13:

But perhaps Christians should take your advice and not make sweeping statements about religions they obviously don’t get.

Give it a break awredy.

 

[wcknight]

Wiccans… lions and tigers, and bears… oh my !

There are good wiccans and bad wiccans, just as there are good Christians, and bad Christians. That’s about as sweeping a statement as I can make.

On another forum, I encountered a Wiccan who called himself Long Strider. His posts was as about as close to Christian as any other and in in many respects more Christ-like in his tolerance, humility, and charity towards others.

We as Christians have to question folks who follow a faith fairly well steeped in the occult, especially one in which folks refer to themselves as witches. Magic to us has always carried the stigma of the black arts, Satanism, and evil.

To say that we don’t understand you is an understatement. White magic, good witch, to us are oxymorons. The occult to us, is completely out the realm of goodness and light. To a Christian, only demons and satan work in those areas. To dabble in those areas is to put oneself at great risk.

I guess it goes way back to the Old Testament when King Saul visited the witch at Endor (is this the same endor as in Star Wars ? Dabbling in the occult, bringing up the dead is forbidden, not to mention downright creepy !

As I said to LS in that forum, I pray that Christ’s Light and Goodness watch over you. I personally think you are playing with fire. But hey what do I know, I’m just an uninformed Catholic.

Christ’s Peace.