Sylvia Browne, psychics, gnostics, and the new age movement.

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Originally Posted by BlessedBe13
He probably gets it a lot better than a lot of so-called Christians.

Oh , you are so very correct. Yes you are correct. "a lot better than a lot of “so-called” Christians.

The “so-called” Christians means they are NOT Christians entotal. So how could the “so-called” Christians know much of the Christian Faith? You got it right. You do not become a Christian or learn Christianity by reading a book or a few websites.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

BlessedBe13:

. What I don’t believe matters is how ones view Divinity. Catholics view it as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I view it as God and Goddess. Some only worship the Goddess. Some worship several Gods and Goddesses. Some worship no specific deity. Despite the differences in these beliefs, if these faiths give people something to hold onto and to help them live the best lives they can, who is anyone to call them wrong?

Hi Blessedbe, There is only ONE GOD who is the creator of all. There are many false gods which people make their idol. There are enough false gods to suite all. Everyone will find a god or a goddess that fits their lifestyle . The TRUTH is that there is only one True God.Anyone who worships any other god breaks GODS commandments and is guilty of sin.When you die you will be brought before Him for judgement. BlessedBe are you innocent or Guilty before the TRUE GOD? Now I know why you dont believe in Hell. The TRUTH is no one will escape the wrath of GOD. Hell is for those who disobey his laws. But Praise Be to God there is One who will pay the price for your sins. His name is Jesus Christ. He died freely for your sins.He has paid your debt in full.Jesus will save you from the fires of hell. Admit you are a sinner and repent and you will recieve forgiveness. Recieve Jesus as your Lord and Savior. He is knocking at the door to your heart.He Loves you and wishes that you do not perish.Do not let your heart be hardened. I pray that you will answer YES. God Bless

 

[Tlaloc]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi Blessedbe, There is only ONE GOD who is the creator of all. There are many false gods which people make their idol. There are enough false gods to suite all. Everyone will find a god or a goddess that fits their lifestyle . The TRUTH is that there is only one True God.Anyone who worships any other god breaks GODS commandments and is guilty of sin.When you die you will be brought before Him for judgement. BlessedBe are you innocent or Guilty before the TRUE GOD? Now I know why you dont believe in Hell. The TRUTH is no one will escape the wrath of GOD. Hell is for those who disobey his laws. But Praise Be to God there is One who will pay the price for your sins. His name is Jesus Christ. He died freely for your sins.He has paid your debt in full.Jesus will save you from the fires of hell. Admit you are a sinner and repent and you will recieve forgiveness. Recieve Jesus as your Lord and Savior. He is knocking at the door to your heart.He Loves you and wishes that you do not perish.Do not let your heart be hardened. I pray that you will answer YES. God Bless

Just as a suggestion, don’t use so many all caps words. It doesn’t help you make your case so much as make it sound like you’re on a soap box shouting at pedestrians on the street.

 

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Tlaloc:

Just as a suggestion, don’t use so many all caps words. It doesn’t help you make your case so much as make it sound like you’re on a soap box shouting at pedestrians on the street.

Hi Tlaloc, thanks for your suggestion.Ill put it to practice next time. God Bless

 

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Tlaloc:

Just as a suggestion, don’t use so many all caps words. It doesn’t help you make your case so much as make it sound like you’re on a soap box shouting at pedestrians on the street.

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I LIKE THE CAPS. There is not a rule for using CAPS.

 

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Tlaloc:

Just as a suggestion, don’t use so many all caps words. It doesn’t help you make your case so much as make it sound like you’re on a soap box shouting at pedestrians on the street.

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I LIKE THE CAPS. There is NO rule for using CAPS HERE.

 

[Peace-bwu]

BlessedBe13:

Oh no! Not everyone believes the same thing. Not everyone is meant to view deity in the same way. If this was meant to happen, that’s how we would have been created. Why the quotes around religions? They are just as valid as any Christian “religion” (see how rude those quotes are?)

We were created to believe in one God, it was meant to be that way. God didnt’ want slaves, he wanted his creation, made in His image to love him back of their own free will. He gave us free will to make our own choices, He wanted us to follow Him freely, as obedient children.

I used the quote around “religions” because I did not think it was proper to call what Sylvia Brown teaches an actual “official” religion. You can put quotes around anything you want, I won’t take it personally. The Catholic Church is an officially recognized religion, using quotes won’t change that.

 

[Peace-bwu]

Tlaloc:

Well, judgemental christians spell it h y p o c r i s y.

(psst- remember that you aren’t supposed to do that, only God gets to judge things)

You are mistaken in your understanding of this Christian teaching. We are absolutely supposed to, and even expected, to judge Truth, morality, and sin, as it is described in Scripture and Apostlic Tradition. This discussion is about whether it’s “ok” for a Chrisian to dabble in the occult. Following and believing in the concepts people like Sylvia Brown teach, go against sound Christian doctrine.

It would be hypocritical of us to claim to be Christian and do or believe something that goes against our core beliefs.

We are not permitted to judge the state of another human being’s immortal soul. We aren’t permitted to “play God” by claiming whether someone is in Hell, or to say that God will not forgive them. We are, however, obligated to judge “things” as you say, that are sinful. We are obligated to help a fellow Christian take the eyelash out of their eye, after we get the stake out of our own.

You are certainly allowed to choose what you want to believe, you have the freedom of religion. A Christian cannot serve two masters. We can’t claim to be Christian and yet believe things that go directly against our core beliefs.

The concept of relative morality, relative truth and that sin does not exist, and the fear of “looking bad” by judging sin, is the downfall of our modern society. We are supposed to root out sin in the church starting with ourselves. Judging whether something is a sin is *not *hypocrisy. It would be hypocritical for a Christian to ignore and participate in sinful behavior. Jesus said “He who is without sin throw the first stone”, but he also told the woman to “Go and sin no more.”

If it offends you that Sylvia Brown’s teachings go against sound Christian doctrine that has gone unchanged for 2,000 yrs, (or 5,000 of you include the Old Testament,) then you must have a high regard for Christianity. Christians cannot dabble in the occult, but if you are not Christian, why do you seem to need our approval? Why does it offend you that Sylvia Brown’s teachings go against our religion?

 

[Peace-bwu]

Tlaloc:

Just as a suggestion, don’t use so many all caps words. It doesn’t help you make your case so much as make it sound like you’re on a soap box shouting at pedestrians on the street.

This is a cheap argument, to criticize the grammar, spelling or ALL CAPS to try to make the poster feel “stupid.” Oh, please don’t use caps anyone, Tlaloc is beyond caps. They are sooooo yesterday.

The overuse of caps can sometimes be annoying, but I think it’s a little cheesy to criticize how somone writes in a debate, rather than focusing on what is actually written. I guess it all depends on whether you want to seem like you’re on a soap box shouting into the streets (not my preference) or an English teacher or critic shouting at grammar mistakes or the overuse of caps (not too cool either.) Just an observation.

 

[Tlaloc]

Peace-bwu:

This is a cheap argument, to criticize the grammar, spelling or ALL CAPS to try to make the poster feel “stupid.” Oh, please don’t use caps anyone, Tlaloc is beyond caps. They are sooooo yesterday.

Um, okay. I was just offering some advice. Believe me if I had wanted to make someone feel stupid I wouldn’t bother doing it in a roundabout way. Rather i suggested they not use all caps for exactly the reason I said: it detracts from your argument and hence is a poor choice as far as communicating.

 

[Peace-bwu]

Tlaloc:

Um, okay. I was just offering some advice. Believe me if I had wanted to make someone feel stupid I wouldn’t bother doing it in a roundabout way. Rather i suggested they not use all caps for exactly the reason I said: it detracts from your argument and hence is a poor choice as far as communicating.

sure, if you really wanted to give helpful advice it might be better to do it in a PM next time, rather than trying to cut the member down in the thread. I have seen this kind of tactic throughout website forums. It never fails, there is a good debate or discussion going on and someone gets bent out of shape and starts pointing out grammagical errrorrs. Honestly, I find the overuse of caps to be unnecessary but there are more important things to focus on. No harm, no foul, we don’t think badly of you for that. I ,personally, can find many other things to disagree with Spoken about than his choice of CAPS. I agree with him sometimes too.
Peace

 

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Tlaloc:

Um, okay. I was just offering some advice. Believe me if I had wanted to make someone feel stupid I wouldn’t bother doing it in a roundabout way. Rather i suggested they not use all caps for exactly the reason I said: it detracts from your argument and hence is a poor choice as far as communicating.

I was not detracted from argument by caps. On the contrary, as human beings we are visual creatures (we notice color before written word, and caps before lower case).

In general, we do not pay attention unless something stands up.

As you speak you put accent on different words. Capitalizing is a way of accenting the written.

:clapping: You go SPOKENWORD! I loved your post! Capitalize all you want!

 

[DJMarshall85]

BlessedBe13:

Also untrue. I never said to have faith in “evil”. So that is not what I am suggesting. Faith is sometimes the only thing a person has to hold on to or fall back on at some of the worst points in their life, without faith, they have nothing. What I don’t believe matters is how ones view Divinity. Catholics view it as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I view it as God and Goddess. Some only worship the Goddess. Some worship several Gods and Goddesses. Some worship no specific deity. Despite the differences in these beliefs, if these faiths give people something to hold onto and to help them live the best lives they can, who is anyone to call them wrong?

I wish there were something I had to say for you that would convince you otherwise. Jesus himself said that he is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. I came from paganism and Wicca, like yourself. And fortunately for me, I was exposed to some of the darker sides (this led me back to the Truth). I pray for you that you will be led to Christ. At least keep an open mind to Him. Chances are you will never go through what I had to go through in Wicca, as the vast majority of Wiccans are good people who have just been lead astray. I can not put into words the Peace I feel in His arms now that I have come home.

You will say that all religions are equal, all are the same in the eyes of your God and Godess, but in the end, you will find out the Truth, in one way or another. I pray that you will find it before it is too late. For even though God has infinite mercy, you do not want to tempt Him (Mt 4:7). All I ask is that you give Him a chance. Read one of the Gospels (I enjoy Matthew myself) and keep an open mind…

 

[Monarchy]

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I LIKE THE CAPS. There is NO rule for using CAPS HERE.

There is no rule against picking your nose, but people consider it rude. On the internet the use of caps in considered the equivelent to shouting.

 

[Monarchy]

For anyone who is interested the following website randi.org/sylvia/index.shtml is about her. James Randi has a $1,000,000 prize to anyone who can meet the following:

“At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.”

Most “psychics” use a techinique known as cold reading. Notice they never state “your husband looks like this, etc” they always state everything in the form of a question, and the questions get more and more specific as they ‘read’ your reactions.

 

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Monarchy:

For anyone who is interested the following website randi.org/sylvia/index.shtml is about her. James Randi has a $1,000,000 prize to anyone who can meet the following:

“At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.”

Most “psychics” use a techinique known as cold reading. Notice they never state “your husband looks like this, etc” they always state everything in the form of a question, and the questions get more and more specific as they ‘read’ your reactions.

Cold reading and other similar explanations can explain many examples of apparent psychic ability, but it can’t explain all of them.

 

[ahimsaman72]

Tlaloc:

Well, judgemental christians spell it h y p o c r i s y.

(psst- remember that you aren’t supposed to do that, only God gets to judge things)

Man, I wish I would have thought of that!!

Peace…

 

[ahimsaman72]

Feanaro:

People close to me put a lot of faith into what Sylvia Browne teaches. Saying that if she does good things like help police find missing persons, how can she be all that bad. I’ve visited her web site, sylvia.org/home/index.cfm, and noticed that although she uses the word Christian, “Gnostic Christian” to be precise, her teachings are anything but. She is nothing but another new age guru who uses the word “Christian” to deceive.

Therefore, my take is that Satan can cause people to even do good (on surface) if it will ultimately cause them to lead others away from Jesus and his Church.

Has anyone else had experience with those who have put their faith in Sylvia Browne, other psychics, gnostics, or the new age movement and some good arguments to win them back for our lord?

God bless

Now, if we can possibly get back to the original topic at hand:

Sylvia considers herself gnostic. She doesn’t consider herself part of the Essenes or anything like that. She takes “gnostic” for what it means - from the root word “gnosis” which is simply “knowledge” in its simplest form. She claims to have knowledge of events and happenings.

She makes predictions every year - you can access those from her site. And, the ones she has made so far have been accurate and fulfilled. Now, whether that knowledge was intuitive or based on intelligence based you should decipher yourself.

She would be popular among Unitarian Universalists as the views she has expressed are similar. I don’t believe the Catholic faith is welcoming to that and in fact excludes that kind of “meddling” in the occult. However, for others who practice a more liberal, non-dogmatic faith it is quite acceptable. My Baptist upbringing denounced it totally.

I for one could care less as to its validity. It’s kind of like pentecostal faith healers - whether they actually can heal someone is not intriguing for me. Neither is the possibility of UFO’s and aliens. Just my two cents.

Peace…

 

[littleitaly]

ahimsaman72:

Now, if we can possibly get back to the original topic at hand:

Sylvia considers herself gnostic. She doesn’t consider herself part of the Essenes or anything like that. She takes “gnostic” for what it means - from the root word “gnosis” which is simply “knowledge” in its simplest form. She claims to have knowledge of events and happenings.

She makes predictions every year - you can access those from her site. And, the ones she has made so far have been accurate and fulfilled. Now, whether that knowledge was intuitive or based on intelligence based you should decipher yourself.

She would be popular among Unitarian Universalists as the views she has expressed are similar. I don’t believe the Catholic faith is welcoming to that and in fact excludes that kind of “meddling” in the occult. However, for others who practice a more liberal, non-dogmatic faith it is quite acceptable. My Baptist upbringing denounced it totally.

I for one could care less as to its validity. It’s kind of like pentecostal faith healers - whether they actually can heal someone is not intriguing for me. Neither is the possibility of UFO’s and aliens. Just my two cents.

Peace…

Slyvia like many others out there is nothing more then another lost soul out there who is using her make believe knowledge to lead people astray from the Holy Spirit. It is specified in the Scriptures not to socialize with people like her. She as an individual who had a bad growing up experience and she uses this psychic thing to escape from her own past instead of prayers to the Lord. I feel sorry for her, and those of you who follow her. Satan is using her as his tool to lead many astray. Do not be another number on his list.Jesus said that there will be those who are wolves in sheeps clothing. Be very watchful and protect the young minds from this negative psychic life. Peace to all and God bless

 

[Monarchy]

ahimsaman72:

She makes predictions every year - you can access those from her site. And, the ones she has made so far have been accurate and fulfilled. Now, whether that knowledge was intuitive or based on intelligence based you should decipher yourself.

Are the predictions she has made available anywhere on her site?