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There were difficulties for the Syrian bishops to arrive in India. Goa was under the control of the Portuguese. They favoured only Catholics. Even the Catholic Chaldean bishops the Portuguese did not allow in India. Bishop Joseph Sulaqa, brother of the first Chaldean Catholic Patriarch Mar Yohannan Sulaqa, had arrived in India in 1556, one year after the murder of Patriarch Sulaqa. Mar Joseph was not allowed to work in India. He was sent to Rome to have his faith examined. Details of his death are not known to history. He is believed to have been buried in Rome. His burial place has not been traced yet. Fortunately the Syriac prayer books he took with him to Rome are preserved in Rome. Many of the prayer books used in India at that time were burned in the Synod of Diamper of 1599 AD. Only 4 manuscripts of the period prior to 1599 AD are known to exist today in India. One of that is a Kashkulcopied in 1585 AD at Kothamangalam copied by an Indian priest. It is preserved in the Metropolitan’s Palace, Trichur.
This situation was changed after the Dutch defeated the Portuguese in 1655 AD. The Dutch were willing to bring to India the Syrian bishops. Taking advantage of that situation Mar Gregorius of Jerusalem arrived in Kerala. Many Christians in India accepted a Syrian bishop without knowing much about the difference between West Syrians and East Syrians.
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Pre-Reformation Era

St. Thomas, the Apostle of Jesus Christ is believed to have landed in AD 52 in Cranganore near Cochin, which was at that time an important seaport on the Malabar Coast, having trade connections with the Middle East in those days. F.E. Keay in his book, A History of the Syrian Church in India has established, from the mention in the book of Kings, of the articles brought to the court of King Solomon from India, that even before the time of Christ, there was trade between the Malabar Coast and Palestine in spices and luxury articles like ivory. Therefore, it was quite natural for Thomas to come to India with the Gospel as the disciples went to different parts of the world in accordance with the commission given to them by Jesus Christ. In the true Apostolic tradition he preached first to the Jewish settlers in and around Cochin, and then worked among the Hindus. Through the ministry of the Word and the many miracles which tradition attributes to him, he brought many high caste Hindus to the Christian faith. It is believed that he organized 7 Christians communities for the use of these Christians, and ordained presbyters from four leading families. The seven churches were, 1. Cranganore (Malankara) 2. Chavakad (Palur) 3. Parur near Alwaye 4. Gokamangalam, 5. Niranam 6. Nilakkal (Chayal) and 7. Quilon (Kalyan). All these places except Nilakkal are near the sea coast. Nilakkal is in the ghat region near Sabarimala, the Hindu place of pilgrimage. It is believed that Nilakkal was an important trading centre for export of spices and other items like ivory, and the route extended to Tamil Nadu across the ghats. Remains of ancient human dwellings and places of worship are still discernible among the ruins in this area, which is now covered with forests. Many Christian families in Kanjirappally, Ayroor and other places trace their origin to Nilakkal. There is a Mar Thoma Church at Ayroor which is still named Chayal (Nilakkal). Recently a new Church has been built under the joint auspices of all the Christian denominations of Kerala at the site agreed upon by all concerned. This Church has having historical significance as the first Church built and dedicated by all the denominations together as a symbol of the heritage from St Thomas. It is believed that St. Thomas proceeded to the East coast of India and died a martyr’s death at a place called St. Thomas Mount, and was buried at Mylapore in Madras.

Dr. Juhanon Mar Thoma Metropolitan concludes the Chapter on the St Thomas Tradition in his book Christianity in India and a Brief History of the Mar Thoma Church as follows:
“The History of the Christian Church in the first century does not depend entirely on historical documents. Tradition is often more true and more compelling than plain historic proof. In this sense St Peters founding of the Roman Church and St Thomas founding of the Malabar Church, may be said to stand on the same footing. Both are supported by traditions which are sufficiently early and sufficiently strong”.
Mention is made in the records of the Council of Nicea (AD 325), of the presence of a Bishop John of India.
 
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Jawaharlal Nehru in his Glimpses of World History (1934) commented as follows:-
“You may be surprised to learn that Christianity came to India long before it went to England or Western Europe, and when even in Rome it was a despised and proscribed sect. Within 100 years or so of the death of Jesus, Christian Missionaries came to South India by sea. They were received courteously and permitted to preach their new faith. They converted a large number of people, and their descendants have lived there, with varying fortune, to this day. Most of them belong to old Christian sects which have ceased to exist in Europe.”

The history of this ancient Church during 4th to 15th centuries reveals the fact that it was in friendly relations with the Church in Persia. There is a tradition that a group of 400 immigrants from Persia arrived in Malabar in AD 345 under the leadership of a merchant named Thomas of Cana, known as Knaye Thommen. Mention is made also of another immigration from Persia in the year AD 825 under the leadership of a Persian merchant named Marwan Sabriso with two Bishops named Mar Sapro and Mar Prodh. They landed in Quilon. King Cheraman Perumal gave them land and extended to them special privileges, inscribed on two sets of Copper Plates (in Malayalam “Chepped”). Three of these are still in the Old Seminary in Kottayam and two are at the Mar Thoma Church Head Quarters, Tiruvalla.

There was ecclesiastical connection between the Church in West Asia and the Church in Malabar till 16th century. The Bishops who came from Babylonian Patriarchate were Nestorians. Even now there is a Nestorian Church in Trichur, called the Chaldean Syrian Church. They have connection with the Nestorian Patriarch. Though there were such ecclesiastical connections and ministrations, the Church in Malabar was independent in administration under its own Archdeacons.
 
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The Portuguese started settling in India with the coming of Vasco De Gama in AD 1498. They established their power in the 16th & the 17th centuries. This was also a period, which witnessed far-reaching effects of the missionary adventures of the Roman Catholic Church. At this time the Portuguese were powerful in the eastern areas and had control of the sea routes. The Roman Catholic Church wanted to use this opportunity to bring the Church in Malabar under the supremacy of Rome. A powerful Archbishop Alexio-de-Menezes arrived in Goa in 1592. He then convened a Synod at Udayamperoor, south of Ernakulam, in the year 1599, called the Synod of Diamper for commandeering obedience to the supreme Bishop of Rome. The representatives sent from various congregations were forced to accept the decrees read out by the Archbishop. Thus the Syrian Christians of Malabar, (the Malankara Church) were made part of the Roman Catholic Church under the Pope. The Malankara Church was under Roman Empire for half a century. But many smarted under the Roman Yoke. Gradually the power of the Portuguese empire declined and the Christians yearned for regaining independence.

They tried to get a prelate from one of the Eastern Churches to lead the people out of this torpid state of affairs. And when their efforts were proved futile, they declared their independence and shook off the Roman supremacy after 54 years of submission, with the ‘Oath of Coonen Cross’ in AD 1653. That was a historic event, which inscribed a new chapter in the history of the Church in Malabar. What they wanted was to remain loyal to their ancient faith and traditions.

Their dream was finally materialized when their Archdeacon, Thomas by name, was duly consecrated with the title ‘Mar Thoma’ in 1665 by Mar Gregorius of Jerusalem who was associated with the Jacobite Patriarchate of Antioch. Thus the Episcopal continuity was restored with Mar Thoma I as the first Indian Metropolitan. Thus began the relation of the Syrian Church with the Antiochene Jacobites. Because of the relationship with the Syrian Church, the Church in Malankara (Malabar) was also known as Syrian Church of Malabar.

The throne used for this consecration in 1655 is still in the possession of the Mar Thoma Church and kept in the Poolatheen, the residence of the Malankara Metropolitan at Tiruvalla. It has been used in the installation of every Mar Thoma Metropolitan, to this day, so that the continuity of the throne of Mar Thoma is ensured.
Thereafter, Ten Bishops with the title of ‘Mar Thoma’ were consecrated who held ecclesiastical authority over the Malankara Church from 1653 to 1843. Of the ten Bishops, four had assumed the title Mar Dionysius.
During the time of Mar Thoma VI, who took the title of Dionysius I, Mar Gregorios, a foreign Bishop consecrated a new Bishop with the title Mar Koorilos. Mar Dionysus raised objections and Mar Koorilos had established his seat at Thozhiyoor, near Kunnamkulam on the British Malabar border. This Church continued as an independent church from that time. This Church maintains cordial relations with the Mar Thoma Church, especially for inter-church consecration of Bishops even on date.
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Ever since the consecration of the Marthoma I by the Antiocan Jacobite Bishop Mar Gregorius of Jerusalem Antiocan Church always insisted of the ordination of Bishop should be from Antioch, trying subjugating St. Thomas Christians to Antiocan Patriarch. This was contrary to the ancient custom followed with the Persian / Assyrian / Nestorian Church with st. Thomas Christians for nearly 17 Centuries.
You can see the St. Thomas’ Christian Bishops – Marthomas – always resisted this attitude of antiocans.

1st Mar Thoma (1665-1670) The first native Bishop Arch deacon Thoma of Pakalomatom family was consecrated in 1665 by Mar Gregorious Metropolitan from Jerusalem. He expired in 1670 and was buried in Angamally. Mar Gregorious who died in 1670 was laid to rest in Paravur.

2nd Mar Thoma (1670-1686) He was anointed jointly by Mar Thoma I and Mar Gregorious. It was during his time that Mar Baselious & Mar Ivanios from Syria visited Malankara. He died in 1686 and was buried in Niranam.

3rd Mar Thoma (1686-88) He was conscreated by Mar Ivanious in 1686. In a short period of two years, he died in 1688.

4th Mar Thoma - He too was consecrated by Mar Ivanios. He ruled the Church for four decades. Mar Ivanios died in 1693, and his succesor, Nestorian Bishop Gabriel had strained relations with Mar Thoma IV. Mar Thoma IV died in 1728, and was buried in Kandanad.

5th Mar Thoma (1728-1765) In 1728 the 4th Mar Thoma concerated the 5th Mar Thoma. In 1752 when Mar Baselios and Mar Gregorios came to Malankara, they insisted that he should receive their Kaiveppu (laying of hands) but he refused to comply. Not only that, he concecrated the VIth Mar Thoma without any assistance from foreign Bishops thus severing all allegiance to foreign bishops. He died in 1765
 
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6th Mar Thoma (1765 to 1808) He was rconsecrated by 5th Marthoma. Later he had agreed to receive reanointment from the foreign bishops and taking on the name Dionysius in order to avoid a rift among the St. Thomas Christians by the influence of Antiocans. During his time the Church headquarters was moved from Angamaly to Kottayam, owing to the invasion of Tippu Sultan. Mar Dionysius maintained close contact with the Anglican Chaplain, and was able to get the four gospels translated from Syriac to Malayalam. Towards the end of his life, an amount of Rs. 15000/- was deposited as a fixed deposit with the British Govt., the interest to be used for the Syrian Church. This deposit later became known as Vattipanam. The Thozhiyoor Church came into existence during his time. He died in 1808, at the age of 85, and was laid to rest at Puthencavu.

7th Mar Thoma (1808 to 1809) He was mild, deeply religious person. His period was very short, as he passed away in 1809.

8th Mar Thoma (1809-1816) An element of vagueness surround his consecration. It was he who set in order the liturgy, administration and theological education of the Malankara Church. Construction of the Kottayam Seminary was started in 1813, and it was commissioned in 1815. He died in 1816.

9th Mar Thoma (1816-1817) - He was consecrated by the 8th Mar Thoma. But subsequently, as desired by Col. Monroe the British resident, he was consecrated as Pulikot Mar Dionysius II by Anjoor Mar Philixenos. Due to his influence in the Government, he was declared as the Metropolitan.

10th Mar Thoma (1817-1818) - Pulikot Mar Dionysius was the first Metropolitan from outside Pakalomattom family. He stressed the importance of theological education and developed the Seminary in Kottayam. It was he who decreed that the assets of the Metropolitan would be assets of the Church. Following his sudden death, Anjoor Mar Piloxenos took over as Malankara Metropolitan. Later Mar Philoxenos consecrated his Vicar General Punnathra Kurian Kathanar as Bishop, and returned to Thozhiyoor Church
 
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11th Mar Thoma (1818-1825) - Punnathara Mar Dionysious III - He encouraged Anglican Missionary Benjamin Bailey to translate the Bible and helped Norton to spread the Word. He appointed Konat Varghese Malpan and Palakunnathu Abraham Malpan as teachers in the Seminary. Renewal of the Church was his aim. A meeting was held in Mavelikara to study how to cleanse the Church and a six member committee was set up for the same. He died in 1825 and was buried in Kottayam Cheriyapally.

12th Mar Thoma (1827-1852) – Chepat Mar Dionysisus. A meeting of representatives was held in Pallikkara Church to select the 12th Mar Thoma and four names were short listed – Mamalasseril Konat Abraham Malpan, Chepat Anjilimoottil Philipose Kaseesa(Syrian equivalent of Presbyter), Kalloopara Adangapurath Yoseph Kaseesa, Kottayam Eruthickal Markose Kaseesa. The lot fell for Chepat Anjilimoottil Philipose Kaseesa and he was consecrated as Dionysisus IV by Mar Philoxenes of Thozhiyoor. (He refused to receive the laying of hand “Kaiveppu” of Abdum Sheeh from Antioch). It was during his time that Abraham Malpan celebrated the holy communion in Malayalam at Maramon using the revised Thaksa.

Due to the misunderstanding with Anglicans (instigated by the pro Antiocan elements), he became suspicious of the reformation process initiated by his predecessors. He feared that the Anglicans are going to take over the Malnkara Church. Hence Chepat Mar Dionysius convened a meeting at Mavelikkara and subjugated the Malankara Church to the Antiocan Patriarch without the unanimous consent of all St. Thomas Christians and against the centuries old tradition of independence. This deed is known as “Mavelikkara Padiyola”. This was the irony - He refused the laying hands of Antiocans in the beginning and later giving up his church and everything to them. He gave up his seat for a foreign Antican Bishop Euyakim Mar Koorilose without ordaining a successor for him from natives, for after Mavelikkara Padiyola he himself lost the right to ordain his successor.

But at this time with the royal proclamation a native Malankara Bishop Palakunnath Mathews Mar Athanasius became the next Metropolitan as 13th Mar Thoma who had been ordination from Antioch.

This was indeed in line with the age old tradition of St. Thomas Christians that the administrative power of the native church was never given to foreign Bishops except it was high jacked by Portuguese for about 54 years by force and cruelty.
 
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13th Mar Thoma - Mathews Mar Athanasius Metropolitan - It took some time before Mar Athanasius could establish himself as the Metropolitan of the church. One of the factors which helped him to attain this position was an order from the government of Travancore (1852) giving him recognition as the Metropolitan. As head of the church he worked hard for the education of the clergy and for raising the moral standards of the people. He was also able to remove various social disabilities of the people. For understandable reasons in the early years of his episcopate he did not identify himself too closely with the movement for reform. But having established his position, there was no doubt as to where his sympathies lay.

From the beginning there was opposition against him from those who feared that he would be in favour of the reform programme (Pro Antiocans). The opposition became gradually strong and succeeded in enlisting the support of the Patriarch on its side. The opponents of Mathews Mar Athanasius had sent complaints about him to the Patriarch, who without a judicial enquiry appointed Pulikottil Joseph Mar Dionysius to supercede Mathews Mar Athanasius as Metropolitan. As a result of this struggle for power the church tended to be divided into two sections, one favoring reform (Methran Kakshi) and the other opposed to it (Bava Kakshi).

Pulikottil Joseph Mar Dionysius couldn’t succeed in dethroning Mathews Mar Athenasius from being legitimate head of Malankara Church. But he continued pro Antiocan stance within the Church. He invited Patriarch of Antioch, Moran Mar Pathros In 1876 there was held a synod at Mulamthuruthi presided over by the Patriarch. This helped to tighten his hold over the Syrian Church in temporal as well as in spiritual affairs.

Mathews Mar Athanasius Metropolitan and his followers inspired by the reformation were of course opposed to this policy.

Thomas Mar Athanasius, son of Abraham Malpan was consecrated by Mathews Mar Athanasius as his successor in 1869. Mathews Mar Athanasius is generally considered one of the a best Metropolitans of the Syrian Church. He was one of the most highly educated person in India at that time with exemplary character of piousness, courage, zeal, tolerance.

At this difficult time the support of leaders from the clergy and the laity who had been inspired by the spirit of the reform movement was a source of great strength to the position taken up by their bishops.
 
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14th Mar Thoma - Thomas Mar Athanasius Metropolitan – was consecrated by the then reigning Malankara Metropolitan Mathews Mar Athanasius who was for the reformation of the Church which was started by his predecessors.
Thomas Mar Athanasius Metropolitan as the leader of the reformed section of the Church followed in the footsteps of his predecessor and eventually he was involved in a litigation, lasting for over 10 years regarding his title to the possession of the ‘Syrian Seminary’ and allied properties of the Church. In the court of final appeal two Hindu judges decided in favour of Joseph Mar Dionyasius as representing the Patriarch, but the English judge, Mr Justice Ormsby dissented from their findings. (The advantage of Pro Anticans in the litgation was the unfortunate ‘Mavelikkara Padiola’ deed created by Chepat Mar Dionysius).
The contention of Mar Dionysius who represented the unreformed Jacobite Church was that the consecration of Thomas Mar Athanasius was invalid as it had been done without the permission of the Jacobite patriarch, held to be the supreme head of the Syrian Church in Malabar.
The plea of Thomas Mar Athanasius was that the Syrian Church in Malabar was an independent church though having friendly relation with the Jacobite Patriarch and that therefore, there was nothing wrong in his having been consecrated by his predecessor without any reference to the Patriarch. The majority judgement held that the Syrian Church in Malabar was under the jurisdiction of the Jacobite Patriarch. Thus the cause of the independence of the Syrian Church sustained a blow for the moment.
This was a temporary setback as later history showed, for the independence of the Syrian Church has now come to be accepted as a valid principle by the Orthodox Church (The earlier unreformed later took up the name Orthodox) as well.
The result of the judgement in the ‘Seminary Suit’, as it is sometimes known, was that the Church was divided into two sections one, calling the Jacobite Church and the other the Mar Thoma Church. Even though the Marthomites had lost the litigation, it established the fact that it is the true independent church of St. Thomas Christians in India.
 
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(I am obiged to put these following as part of the above article because I have quoted from their texts)

It will be worth mentioning here that there were a community who did not accept the Antiocan Jacobite relation from the Coonan cross oath.
The Syrian Christians around Angamalee who did not accept Mar Gregorius of Jerusalem and waited for East Syrian bishops as before. Mar Gabriel came in 1701. He died in Kerala in 1731 and was buried in Cheriapally in Kottayam., which is under the control of the Indian Orthodox Syrian Church.
They are the current Chaldean Syrian Church of Trichur (Nestorian) or known as Assyrian Church of the East in India
This Church is under the Catholicos Patriarch of the Assyrian Church of the East. The present Catholicos Patriarch H.H. Mar Dinkha IV is residing in Chicago, U.S.A. His Holiness Mar Dinkha IV was born in Northern Iraq on 15 September 1935. He became bishop in Teheran, Iran on 11 February 1962. He was consecrated Catholicos Patriarch on 17 October 1976.
They in communion with Catholic Church recently.

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The Mar Thoma Church considers itself as one carrying on the original traditions of the Malabar Church, reformed in accordance with the teaching of the New Testament. The lineage of Mar Thoma Bishops continues with the current reigning 21st Mar Thoma – Rev. Dr Joseph Mar Thoma Metropolitan

Following are the reformation carried out by Marthoma Church
1.Gave first preference to the Open Bible.

2.Worship services including Holy Communion were conducted in the mother tongue,Malayalam.

3.Holy communion was not celebrated when there were none to receive.

4.Mandated that both elements should be distributed separately, during Holy Communion. (pre Diamper synod tradition)

5.Prayers to the saints and prayers for the dead were discarded. (pre Diamper synod tradition)

6.Auricular confession was discontinued. (pre Diamper synod tradition)

7.Icons, pictures, statues, and drawings of saints were removed from homes, churches, and places of worship. (pre Diamper synod tradition)

8.Changes were made in the liturgical books accordingly

(Note that all of the Malankara Metropolitans maintained the position of the Malankara church as an independant church of St. thomas.12th Marthoma was also of the same conviction until he surrundered the church to Antiocans fearing Anglicans.

Tthe beginning of reformation process was started at the time of 6th Mar Thoma with the translation of Gospels to Malayalam Language and continued process and intention with the successive Metropolitans in various stages – they had the conviction of their earlier tradition and need of reformation – It was not the decision of Abraham Malpan or the Ghevarghese Malpan to start the reformation but they were called into it by 11th Mar Thoma to study and advise the Metoplitan on the subject. 12th Mar Thoma was willing for reformation until he was manipulated by Pro Antiocans.

It was natural course of action with strong conviction, and zeal that Abraham Malpan initiated the trumpet call of reformation and asked his nephew to travel to the Patriarch of Antioch at Mardine to be ordained as Malankara Bishop despite the backing of 12th Marthoma from reformation of the church.)
 
To know more about Marthomites and its Orthodox traditions it is advised to go to their church and watch the worship service.
 
your community is not in communion with either of these Churches.

First - reformed and orthodox do not go together, that which is of the Correct and True Faith/Worship (Ortho - Correct/True Dox- Faith/Belief/Worship) needs no reform.
We certainly have communion with one of the Orthodox Church despite doctrinal differences - That is with Independant Orthodox church of Thozhiyoor.

We have plenty of intermarriage taking place between Jacobites, Orthodox despite official communion. Why do you think it is taking place if it was not of sharing the same tradition?
except for the reformation part.

It is a wrong notion that Reform and Orthodox doesn’t go together. I believe it can go together. Of course your perception may not match with mine. That is natural.
 
We certainly have communion with one of the Orthodox Church despite doctrinal differences - That is with Independant Orthodox church of Thozhiyoor.
Which is a breakaway group less than 300 years old.

Does that church have communion with any Orthodox Church?

Independant Orthodox Churches usually are not considered Orthodox anyway to the best of my knowledge.

Like calling yourself an Independant Roman Catholic. Without the communion with Rome you’re pretty much sunk.
 
We have plenty of intermarriage taking place between Jacobites, Orthodox despite official communion. Why do you think it is taking place if it was not of sharing the same tradition?
except for the reformation part.
My mother is Catholic and my father is Methodist. The two were married in the Catholic Church with a dispensation from form because my father refused to convert. He did, however, agree to raise his children Catholic (which my parents did) and I think he even made the profession of faith during the wedding…I know that he did not receive communion, however, as in the 19 years I spent attending Mass with both my parents (prior to me moving out and into a new parish) he never once received.

Does this mean that they share the same tradition? Absolutely not. A dispensation was all that was needed to marry them. Nothing more. Nothing less.
 
Originally Posted by EagleWatchWe certainly have communion with one of the Orthodox Church despite doctrinal differences - That is with Independant Orthodox church of Thozhiyoor.
Which is a breakaway group less than 300 years old.

Does that church have communion with any Orthodox Church?
The history of non-Catholic churches and the Latin Rite schismatics of the 19th century fits neatly like a jigsaw puzzle when one reads up the secular history of Kerala. The big piece missing in the puzzle is the Dutch period 1658 - 1795.

In 1663, Dutch captured Cochin and all non-Catholics came under their control. It is known that in the nearly one and half centuries that they had control on Malabar Coast and nearly two centuries on Coromandel Coast, there were lots of migrations. European Jews were also among them. That explains the presence of White Jews and their Jewish colony in Mattancherry, Cochin. The ancient Jewish community, who resembled the locals and lived among them were described as Black Jews (when books mentioned them for the first time).

The Dutch had a fort not only in Cochin, but also in other places along the Malabar Coast. The closest to Thrissur District was in Chetwai (Chowghat). In 1693, the Dutch captured a Nambudiri controlled principality, Kunnamkulangerra, now known as Kunnamkulam. That is when a Dutch settlement was established, a segregated residential area, in the style of colonialists. A small ancient community of Christians lived in Kunnamkulam, but they were Syrian Catholics in communion with RCC since 1599.

Thozhiyoor Sabha was started by ONE single non-Catholic who came from Cochin to Guruvayoor in 1772 (Dutch period !) because he was very much upset when he was not chosen as the leader of the non-Catholic group, as he expected to be, or had the right to be. He is said to have spent many months in solitude and prayer at Guruvayoor, and finally someone gave him a place of his own because of his piety. After that he gathered a small group of followers, either new converts or from among other non-Catholics in Cochin/Kunnamkulam, which has grown into 7000 members by now. It is hardly possible that anyone from the ancient community of Syrian Catholics in communion with RCC would have joined a one man church. It had been hard enough to persuade them to accept the Roman Pope, even after they were without a bishop for two years from 1597 - 1599.

In 1806, Rev Dr Claudius Buchanan visited the non-Catholic group in Kunnamkulam and promised to help them with Syriac Bibles etc. The visit of CMS missionaries followed. CMS missionaries set up a small mission centre for all non-Catholics in Thrissur district by 1840. They had operated from Cochin since 1808, and Kunnamkulam had been among the six mission stations.

Thrissur town and its surroundings had at the end of eighteenth century (1790 - ) had a lot of migrations from the area of Cochin, because that is when the town and commercial centre was built by the king of Cochin.

Is it sheer coincidence that all the non-Catholics who joined some Middle Eastern Church or the other and call themselves independent Orthodox, whatever that means, were first visited by Rev Dr Claudius Buchanan in 1806, and later were the object of intense education by CMS missionaries, including Lutheran Basel Mission? To my knowledge the term Syrian Christians was coined for this non-Catholic group by him. (The ancient Christian community of natives had been referred to as Christians of St Thomas or St Thomas Christians.) And the establishment of Orthodox churches, known first only as Jacobites, all happened shortly after the Dutch left, after having been in Malabar Coast for nearly a century and a half?

At the visit of Rev Dr Claudius Buchanan, there had been no talk of the non-Catholic group being locals or having anything to do with the St Thomas tradition of Malabar Coast. They gave themselves clearly a migrant group who had never had anything to do with the Roman Catholic church at any time.

I ask myself if these non-Catholic groups are really Dutch Calvinists and Jewish Christians from Holland/Spain/Portugal turned Anglicans turned Middle Eastern Orthodox. Lutheran converts had disappeared into Orthodox churches when Basel Mission was shut down. The Latin Rite Catholics of Diocese of Cochin schismed, adopting the same Syriac Rite as the Syrian Addai and Mari Liturgy of Catholics of Malabar, because at the time Portuguese Padroado was suppressed in 1836, it not possible to switch from Latin Rite to a Syrian rite church in Thrissur. The Carmelites of Veropoly, to prevent further schisms would later make arrangements for Catholics to switch Rites, by creating a new Carmelite congregation for locals at Mannanam, near Kottayam. It is a wonder that any Christian in Kerala is willing to be counted as Latin Rite Catholic at all because obviously all want to be known as Nambudiri Brahmins and direct converts of Apostle Thomas.
 
Mar Thoma Church was established only in the nineteenth century.

Mar Thoma Church is in communion with Church of England.

Mar Thoma seminary is in Kottayam, and HQ is in Thiruvalla.

The first bishop of the Chaldean Syrian Church of Thrissur, the schismatics of the Latin Rite Diocese of Cochin, had the first part of training at a Mar Thoma seminary, later after further studies in England was consecrated in Church of England.
 
Is it pure coincidence that every single church that calls itself Orthodox in Kerala sprang up after the visit of Rev Dr Claudius Buchanan in 1806, followed by twenty years of joint training with CMS missionaries in Kottayam until 1836?

At the arrival of Rev Dr Buchanan in 1806 and until 1836 there was only one group of non-Catholics in Kerala (Malabar Coast). By 1882, there were several break away groups from the one. In 1932 three members from the break away groups sought communion with RCC (Syro Malankara Church).

Synod (Padiola) of Mavelikkara in 1836, Synod (Padiola) of Mulanthuruthy in 1876 are all important milestones of the non-Catholic group.
 
Chaldean Syrian Church of Thrissur, a schismatic church created in the nineteenth century, closely associated with Mar Thoma Church, (likewise created after 1836) is also in communion with Church of England. As mentioned, the first two bishops of the newly created Chaldean Syrian church were consecrated by Church of England.
 
The Chaldean-Syrian Church is in Communion with the Assyrian Church of the East - they, about 50years ago - had some kind of limited Communion agreement with the Anglicans, but their Patriarch ended this when the Anglicans started ordaining women.

The Marthoma Church is in communion with the MISC (Malankara Independent Syrian Church) of Thoozhiyor and the worldwide Anglican Communion - including the CNI (Church of North India) and CSI. MISC is no longer Orthodox, although it did originate in Orthodox roots and has retained much more of Orthodox tradition than the Marthoma church. Unfortunately, MISC stopped being orthodox when its head bishop, Mar Philexinos, converted to Catholic, joined the Syro-Malankara Church in 1977. They were left with no hierarchy and the Marthoma church “ordained” a bishop for them - unfortunately the Marthoma church’s apostolic succession is only recognized by the Anglican communion and NOT recognized by the Orthodox Churches or by the Catholic Church.
 
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