Talking along with the priest

[netmilsmom]

Stu -

Uh, that’s been the point of the debate.

And I am not arguing either for or against the practice.

I’m merely arguing that one should cut one’s fellow parishioners some slack.

Cutting slack should not be at all an option for those practices that are not correct.
Confrontation is not correct either but rather prayer that they will be enlightened.

The information is laid out here. Catholics who believe in the word of the Vatican will follow it. Catholics who believe that the parish priest is above the vatican documents or that believe that “little abuses” are okay, will rationalize it away.
Catholics are good at that on a general basis.

 

[hoosiertoo]

Pointing out one’s errors is a charitable act.

Around here, it’s a blood sport.

 

[netmilsmom]

Join the party.

It’s not a party, it’s the liturgy.
Celebration doesn’t mean balloons, dancing or “the wave”
Unless you’re at the Barney Mass of course.

 

[netmilsmom]

Around here, it’s a blood sport.

Well, actually people here come armed with documentation and not “feelings”.

 

[hoosiertoo]

It’s not a party, it’s the liturgy.
Celebration doesn’t mean balloons, dancing or “the wave”
Unless you’re at the Barney Mass of course.

By “joining the party” I meant “particpate in the burning of hoosiertoo the heretic” - jk! - nothing in reference to the liturgy.

 

[Walking_Home]

It’s sadder - when one tries to live by the letter.

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Not when that letter----comes from the Church.

 

[hoosiertoo]

Well, actually people here come armed with documentation and not “feelings”.

 

[netmilsmom]

netmil(name removed by moderator) -

I don’t take one line out of context and apply it in ways it was not meant to address.

If the priest has asked for the participation of the congregants, then, yes, there is an issue.

And where exactly does it state that pronouncing the words of the priest IS allowed unless a priest asks you to join in?

I see nothing in the topic starter that indicates that is so, however.

We still haven’t addressed my main objection to the topic starter, and to express irritation with the poor woman who warbled ALL the hymns is merely petty.
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Stick around, you’ll see all kinds of venting going on. We are human. Things strike nerves. We talk about it here and pray for the strength to get over our annoyances.
It may be petty to you, but it got to me. Are you saying that I’m not allowed to have my emotions?

 

[hoosiertoo]

Not when that letter----comes from the Church.

Also sprach ----- der Pharisee.

 

[hoosiertoo]

Are you saying that I’m not allowed to have my emotions?

Well, actually people here come armed with documentation and not “feelings”.

 

[netmilsmom]

By “joining the party” I meant “particpate in the burning of hoosiertoo the heretic” - jk! - nothing in reference to the liturgy.

I’m sorry that you feel this way.
You may not like what is being said to you but, my friend, no one has been nasty or mean. No one has called you a heretic.

side note I used to call my hubby a heretic. He got a bit annoyed by it. I stopped but it did get to him and now he is Catholic!

But seriously, none of this is meant to tell you that you are a bad boy. We have lived through the huge liturgical innovations and have found the documentation to guide us the way the Vatican wants us to go. Our feelings are not always right.

 

[netmilsmom]

Well, actually people here come armed with documentation and not “feelings”.

Not here, in the parish. I sat and prayed. Nuff said.

 

[Walking_Home]

Also sprach ----- der Pharisee.

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You win the prize. I was wondering when “pharisee” would drop into the thread. Usually from those that have no foot to stand on—that they have to resort to calling people names.

 

[hoosiertoo]

jk = just kidding, ma’am.

I’ve got rhino skin.

 

[netmilsmom]

Also sprach ----- der Pharisee.

I love being called a Pharisee. Did you know that Paul was one too!

“The gospels generally have left upon the minds of men an impression unfavourable to the Pharisees. They contain denunciations attributed to our Lord and assignedwith obvious injustice in some casesto the scribes of this sect. It is to be remembered that the Pharisees were the only sect of the Jews who survived in Christian times and that the Pharisees were never a homogeneous body possessed of a definite policy or body of doctrine. Moreover it is clear that our Lord denounced not all the Pharisees but the hypocrites only, as did the rabbis whose sayings are reported in the Talmud and other Jewish books. Again the third gospel in particular betrays relations between the Pharisees and Jesus very different frOm those of the common Christian view, which conjures up an impossible picture of an absolute breach between the Prophet of Nazareth and the whole corporation of the Pharisees as a result of a quarrel with certain members of that dissident sect of independent thinkers. Gamaliel and his pupil St Paul are better representatives of the non-hypocritical Pharisee; and the Pauline Epistles or the writings of Philo are the best extant examples of the manner and matter of their teaching. As for the denunciations, apart from the charge of insincerity, it appears that the scribes in question are pilloried for the defectsor the excessesof their qualities. Indeed they are corroborative evidence for the reverence with which the Pharisees were regarded by the people generally, and for the zeal with which they strove to fulfil Gods will as contained in the Law and elucidated by the Tradition.”
From here
religion-encyclopedia.com/P/pharisees.htm

 

[netmilsmom]

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You win the prize. I was wondering when “pharisee” would drop into the thread. Usually from those that have no foot to stand on—that they have to resort to calling people names.

Do we get to take a drink?

 

[hoosiertoo]

You win the prize. I was wondering when “pharisee” would drop into the thread. Usually from those that have no foot to stand on—that they have to resort to calling people names.

I certainly did not mean to imply that anyone present is a pharisee, and do not intend that it should be a thread killer.

And I’ve been standing on my own two feet, thank you very much.

If you’d like to use that excuse to dismiss me, you can, I guess. If not swing away.

I think the danger is that by insisting on “the letter” we open ourselves to the charge, and I’m still not convinced that it is indeed the intent of the cited documents to quash individual responses to the liturgy.

I repeat: I could be wrong, and plan to look further into the matter.

 

[hoosiertoo]

“…it appears that the scribes in question are pilloried for the defectsor the excesses of their qualities.”

Just so.

 

[netmilsmom]

“…it appears that the scribes in question are pilloried for the defectsor the excesses of their qualities.”

Just so.

Followed by…
“Indeed they are corroborative evidence for the reverence with which the Pharisees were regarded by the people generally, and for the zeal with which they strove to fulfil Gods will as contained in the Law and elucidated by the Tradition.”

Just so.

 

[Walking_Home]

I certainly did not mean to imply that anyone present is a pharisee, and do not intend that it should be a thread killer.

And I’ve been standing on my own two feet, thank you very much.

If you’d like to use that excuse to dismiss me, you can, I guess. If not swing away.

I think the danger is that by insisting on “the letter” we open ourselves to the charge, and I’m still not convinced that it is indeed the intent of the cited documents to quash individual responses to the liturgy.
I repeat: I could be wrong, and plan to look further into the matter.

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hoosiertoo— If your intent was not to imply–then why bring up “pharisee”—if not to make a point.

We have provided sufficient documentation as to the mind of the Church on this matter. Here I will include the following:

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html#Chapter%20III

[7.] Not infrequently, abuses are rooted in a false understanding of liberty. Yet God has not granted us in Christ an illusory liberty by which we may do what we wish, but a liberty by which we may do that which is fitting and right.[18] This is true not only of precepts coming directly from God, but also of laws promulgated by the Church, with appropriate regard for the nature of each norm. For this reason, all should conform to the ordinances set forth by legitimate ecclesiastical authority.