Talking along with the priest

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Walking_Home;1750578hoosiertoo— If your intent was not to imply–then why bring up “pharisee”—if not to make a point. said:
Not infrequently, abuses are rooted in a false understanding of liberty. Yet God has not granted us in Christ an illusory liberty by which we may do what we wish, but a liberty by which we may do that which is fitting and right.[18] This is true not only of precepts coming directly from God, but also of laws promulgated by the Church, with appropriate regard for the nature of each norm. For this reason, all should conform to the ordinances set forth by legitimate ecclesiastical authority.
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If you read my follow-up, then you know why I brought it up. Unless the shoe fits, don’t put it on.

I know more about natural law and the nature of liberty than I do the Church, but that is my fault. It is my fervent desire to conform myself to the Church.

The “letter” should not be a wedge, but a unifier.
 
hoosiertoo said:
If you read my follow-up, then you know why I brought it up. Unless the shoe fits, don’t put it on.
I know more about natural law and the nature of liberty than I do the Church, but that is my fault. It is my fervent desire to conform myself to the Church.

The “letter” should not be a wedge, but a unifier.
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Since you included “pharisee” in this thread—in your view-- the shoe is meant for someone.

I agree—the letter should be a unifier----and this will happen—when we all start to abide by the mind of the Church.
 
hoosiertoo said:
If you read my follow-up, then you know why I brought it up. Unless the shoe fits, don’t put it on.

I know more about natural law and the nature of liberty than I do the Church, but that is my fault. It is my fervent desire to conform myself to the Church.

The “letter” should not be a wedge, but a unifier.
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Cool! Then the next time I need some Christmas presents for the kiddies, I’m sure that you won’t mind if I “unify” the “Thou shall not steal” part of the law.

My girls are looking for a Nintendo DS. If you’ll be seeing one in your home I’m sure you won’t mind if I “unify” it for them.
 
The chances you’d find a game console of any kind in my house are pretty slim.

If I had one, you’d be welcome to it.

I’d not recommend violating Commandment 8, though, as I’m a firm believer in Amendment 2. :eek:

And my cat has an evil temper.
 
hoosiertoo said:
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Originally Posted by Walking_Home
Since you included “pharisee” in this thread—in your view-- the shoe is meant for someone.

Well, if you find that person, let me know.

I’ll be mightily surprised if you find Cinderpharisee, though.
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Your words—not mine.

hoosiertoo Quote:
Originally Posted by Walking_Home
Not when that letter----comes from the Church.

Also sprach ----- der Pharisee.
 
netmil(name removed by moderator) said:
We’re hoping for Nintendogs as a real dog is not in the realm of reality in our house.
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No help there. The only reason I have a cat is that it won’t go away; it was a stray that found us. We gave it shots and had it neutered, but beyond that it still lives outside and has never even seen a litter box.

It comes in at night and pretty much has the run of the house and it is housebroken.

In fact, it thinks it’s a dog.

Best cat I ever had.
 
Walking_Home said:
Your words—not mine.
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If you insist on being insulted, knock yourself out.

“Also sprach der pharisee” = “thus spoke the pharisee,” provided I got the article right.

Which pharisee? A straw-pharisee.

Had I intended to call YOU a pharisee, I might have said something rather more pointed. I am not noted for being shy.

As you say they are MY words, not YOURS. I suppose if you insist upon calling me a liar, then I might have to go home tonight and have a beer and watch the game.

And that would make my wife mad.

Then where would you be?

That’s right, my friend.

In the confessional.
 
hoosiertoo said:
If you insist on being insulted, knock yourself out.

“Also sprach der pharisee” = “thus spoke the pharisee,” provided I got the article right.

Which pharisee? A straw-pharisee.

Had I intended to call YOU a pharisee, I might have said something rather more pointed. I am not noted for being shy.

As you say they are MY words, not YOURS. I suppose if you insist upon calling me a liar, then I might have to go home tonight and have a beer and watch the game.

And that would make my wife mad.

Then where would you be?

That’s right, my friend.

In the confessional.
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They are your words are they not. Who here is responsible for bringing the word “pharisee” into this discussion. Why include it in a discussion if it is not to make a point. Actually–since it was directed to my post—it does seem I am the object of said word.

If you do make your wife mad—that hoosiertoo—is on your shoulders.
 
hoosiertoo said:
If you insist on being insulted, knock yourself out.

“Also sprach der pharisee” = “thus spoke the pharisee,” provided I got the article right.

Which pharisee? A straw-pharisee.

Had I intended to call YOU a pharisee, I might have said something rather more pointed. I am not noted for being shy.

As you say they are MY words, not YOURS. I suppose if you insist upon calling me a liar, then I might have to go home tonight and have a beer and watch the game.

And that would make my wife mad.

Then where would you be?

That’s right, my friend.

In the confessional.
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Then instead of such coyness, why not be a gentleman and at very least apologize for your clumsy post that does give the impression of calling someone else a pharisee whether intended or not.
 
Oy.

I’m sorry you took the post wrong, and continue to be unsatisfied with the reasonable explanation offered.

Happy?

I thought not.
 
hoosiertoo said:
Oy.

I’m sorry you took the post wrong, and continue to be unsatisfied with the reasonable explanation offered.

Happy?

I thought not.
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Such sincerity.

Bloodsport you say? Yes sir, I think that summed up your approach perfectly.

Good day and God Bless.
 
Stu said:
Such sincerity.

Bloodsport you say? Yes sir, I think that summed up your approach perfectly.

Good day and God Bless.
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Such condescension. :bowdown:

Who asked you anyway?

:blessyou:

Walking_Home:

Lighten up. I’ll get back to you when I check out some of the material.

netmil(name removed by moderator):

Nice to meet you. Hope you find your Nintendog. Have you considered one of those robots? I think I saw one at Radio Shack. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Peace to you all.
 
My “Such sincerity” comment was directed at a strawman and no one in particular. But I am sure everyone knew that. 😉
 
hoosiertoo said:
netmil(name removed by moderator):

Nice to meet you. Hope you find your Nintendog. Have you considered one of those robots? I think I saw one at Radio Shack. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Peace to you all.
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We did consider one but the Nintendogs the kiddies must take care of or they die a Cyber death!
Teaches them to be responsible before a real animal dies a real death (or mom takes over)

Merry Christmas to you and yours as well!
 
I’m glad that liturgy matters and I’d guess that this type of discussion goes on often in Latin rite Churches. We are troubled by a new translation that is coming out that seems to fall into some of the traps that the NO keeps falling into like “inclusive language” at some points.

I do remember that on the day I was chrismated the Deacon noticed that I was not holding my right hand just right. We hold it in a manner that reminds us of the Trinity and the Dual nature of Christ. I’d guess that my fingers weren’t quite positioned correctly. He took me aside after liturgy and instructed me. I’ve never made that mistake again.

We don’t repeat aloud the priests words of consecration or the priests prayers in other parts of the liturgy. I doubt that many would notice anyway. We aren’t regimented in pews. We are there to worship and we do it with great participation and with much more volume than one typically hears in a Latin Church. I don’t know of anyone who gets bent out of shape as some have here over some liturgical miscue. If they do I suspect that it is taken care of privately.

Kindness corrects many things.

CDL, An Eastern Catholic
 
GregoryPalamas said:
We don’t repeat aloud the priests words of consecration or the priests prayers in other parts of the liturgy. I doubt that many would notice anyway. We aren’t regimented in pews. We are there to worship and we do it with great participation and with much more volume than one typically hears in a Latin Church. I don’t know of anyone who gets bent out of shape as some have here over some liturgical miscue. If they do I suspect that it is taken care of privately.

Kindness corrects many things.

CDL, An Eastern Catholic
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From the outside looking in–it may be easy to say that we make much of a small thing. I hope and pray—that the Eastern Catholics —do not find themselves walking in our shoes.
 
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