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We all want clarity, those questioning this. We want clear leadership
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gracepoole
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It’s nitpicky to note that Marshall seems very down in his last video – a video in which he speaks directly to the Holy Father and asks if he’s a heretic?
I don’t disagree.
Where did I claim he’s disrespecting the pope?
I think it’s equally important not to forget the influence he has on others thanks to his social media following.
Huh? Again, expressing worry for someone is not judging his mental state. I genuinely have no idea why you think that’s what I’m doing. I also think it’s weird to claim that if I were really concerned for him, I would post anything about him. Again: huh? The guy is a media personality. He’s asking for people to talk about him and his ideas.
Agreed. Why doesn’t that mean that we should be worried for one another?
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GiftofMercy
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And why shouldn’t he be rocked a bit by this. There are so many a bit rocked by the naming of this as the Idol, by the Pope himself, who then states there is no intention of idolisation.
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gracepoole
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Who said he shouldn’t be?gracepoole:
And why shouldn’t he be rocked a bit by this. There are so many a bit rocked by the naming of this as the Idol, by the Pope himself, who then states there is no intention of idolisation.
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Marshall has become unhinged in the not too distant past.
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GiftofMercy
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People suggesting he is not himself and looking like he has mental health issues. What he is expressing is being expressed in many places.
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gracepoole
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I’m going to try to be as clear as possible: I am not claiming he has “mental health issues.” I am noting that he seems extremely sad and troubled. Before anyone starts typing, I don’t blame him for feeling his way and I agree that others feel similarly. Please: I am not “people” so it’s probably best to respond directly to anyone who’s genuinely making claims about his mental health.gracepoole:
People suggesting he is not himself and looking like he has mental health issues. What he is expressing is being expressed in many places.
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gracepoole
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Hes voicing what a lot of Catholics have thought and do think.
I think he’s tired and needs rest, there’s nothing any of us can do about these matters aside from voice discontent but even that only goes so far.
I don’t think he’s unhinged either but I see a person who is pushed to the absolute limit and he needs to take it easy and get some rest.
I encouraged him to do another Halloween episode.
I think he needs to get more sleep, go on a date with his wife, go somewhere as a family, and get his mind off of this stuff for awhile.
I got to a point where I felt I stopped caring what happens to the Church or in the Church… I think a lot of us are tired of many things and at this point I don’t think I can be disappointed any longer I got nothing in me anymore… I’m just here…
Maybe some are disappointed that Taylor Marshall became critical but imagine how disappointed I was when we’ll known apologist seemed to start explaining things away that just couldn’t be.
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I think he’s tired and needs rest, there’s nothing any of us can do about these matters aside from voice discontent but even that only goes so far.
I don’t think he’s unhinged either but I see a person who is pushed to the absolute limit and he needs to take it easy and get some rest.
I encouraged him to do another Halloween episode.
I think he needs to get more sleep, go on a date with his wife, go somewhere as a family, and get his mind off of this stuff for awhile.
I got to a point where I felt I stopped caring what happens to the Church or in the Church… I think a lot of us are tired of many things and at this point I don’t think I can be disappointed any longer I got nothing in me anymore… I’m just here…
Maybe some are disappointed that Taylor Marshall became critical but imagine how disappointed I was when we’ll known apologist seemed to start explaining things away that just couldn’t be.
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Aquinas11
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“he’s hitting a breaking point” is judging his mental state
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Ok but not really fair to project that onto Marshall…
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gracepoole
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No, it isn’t. It’s noting that the man has been hit with a lot lately and seems down.
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Well, when I first saw your post I was bothered because I thought what could xyz be and it must be alot of things but then when I listened to the video he clearly said he was just asking the pope questions about the idols and bowing down to them.
You didn’t. I’m just saying I didn’t hear any disrespect in him asking these questions.
I agree. We want to make sure we are not misrepresenting what he is saying also.
So, I’m sorry if I misunderstood that he is hitting a breaking point.
I think what has been happening has a lot of people down. As I said earlier I was on Twitter today and there are so many priests and bishops asking please Catholic laity pray for the Pope and the Church.
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And I think that Fr R and the traditional Priests he refers to as having recognised these growing problems are the epitome of the positive side of traditionalism. But one of the commenters below the video listed problematic symptoms Fr R identified. Pride, presumtuousness, impurity, looking down on others, murmuring, anger, negative attitude towards the magisterium, over criticizing, lack of charity, lack of piety, bad mouthing Church leaders, disrespecting authority, unhealthy curiosity, over arguing, abusing graces.
They are making a bad name for tradition.
But why isn’t the Popes explanation good enough to allay peoples worries? It isn’t a problem. It’s not a new god being introduced into the Church. It’s just a cultural image with no threatening meaning at all.gracepoole:
And why shouldn’t he be rocked a bit by this. There are so many a bit rocked by the naming of this as the Idol, by the Pope himself, who then states there is no intention of idolisation.
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gracepoole
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Thank you. Because I’m not weighing in on the man’s mental health.
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The post just said his statements make it seem like he’s hit breaking point. If the post had pointed out he had death in family, had health issue, etc, that would be true but it’s not.
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Im sure when Aaron and the Israelis made the golden calf they never intended for it to be idolatry either. It was just apart of the culture they grew up in. Yet, Moses still condemned them and destroyed the idol.
Paganism is not a cultural issue it’s a spiritual one. When Saint Boniface choped down the Thor tree he wasn’t being culturally insensitive. He was concerned about their salvation.
The same goes for those brave men that cast out those idols of “fertility” “life” and “mother earth”. One thing you don’t seem to understand in these these people in the Amazon and Latin America and else where are literally worshipping the earth. It is a staple of pagan/wiccian/occult practices. It should never have been allowed. It is scandalizing a lot of Catholics and non-catholics alike.
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I’ve explained multiple times that I was not discussing Marshall’s mental health. Charity demands that you accept this and move on.gracepoole:
The post just said his statements make it seem like he’s hit breaking point. If the post had pointed out he had death in family, had health issue, etc, that would be true but it’s not.
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Does the ends justify the means? Can you steal or destroy private property to send a message?
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Pope Francis says there was no element of any pagan/wiccan/occult practices involved in the Amazon display. My bishop and no one from the Australian Church hierarchy has condemned the Popes response. What authority do you claim that I should ditch all my holy guides and believe you?Emeraldlady:
Im sure when Aaron and the Israelis made the golden calf they never intended for it to be idolatry either. It was just apart of the culture they grew up in. Yet, Moses still condemned them and destroyed the idol.
Paganism is not a cultural issue it’s a spiritual one. When Saint Boniface choped down the Thor tree he wasn’t being culturally insensitive. He was concerned about their salvation.
The same goes for those brave men that cast out those idols of “fertility” “life” and “mother earth”. One thing you don’t seem to understand in these these people in the Amazon and Latin America and else where are literally worshipping the earth. It is a staple of pagan/wiccian/occult practices. It should never have been allowed. It is scandalizing a lot of Catholics and non-catholics alike.
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We respectfully disagree whether Marshall “had been hit with a lot lately”, which was a factual assertion. I simply don’t see that and said why. Its an instance where we agree to disagree. I respect your opinion
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