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Lily_Bernans
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LOL I don’t think anyone would this year!I will. (I don’t want to sound like I’m a presidential candidate or something.)
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irishpatrick
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The problem is, the three exceptions leads to the door being open to all abortions. I think that is what you are missing.
The Republican Party has had many chances to do something about abortion…it has done nothing. I am sorry, I know I am coming across in highly negative way. I am just not going to pretend that the GOP has performed any better than the Democrats when it comes to life, marriage, or the family. It just hasn’t. And, not the voters seem to be saying they just don’t care anymore.
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GaryTaylor
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I can’t see how you arrive at this conclusion. In fact I think its wrong. In fact PP disagrees with you and here’s their latest social media comment…
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irishpatrick
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Sure, because PP will always fight against anyone who gives even casual lip-service to the cause of life. Yet, that does not mean Trump will ever do anything to help the unborn. I am 100% convinced he will not. However, it is a wash because Hillary will also 100% not do anything for the cause of life.
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Peter_J
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I believe Donald Trump will give it to Hillary – excepting if the GOP somehow nominates another candidate. But even if that somehow happens, I believe that he (or she) would lose anyhow, given how many Trump devotees wouldn’t vote for him (or her). Trump himself even said “There’ll be riots.”
I hope Kasich stays in the race anyhow (did he speak yet? I’m not near my TV at the moment) but mainly I think it’s time for Republicans to accept that a “ClinTrump” November is in the cards.
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JimG
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This might be true. But I have long had the same belief about the Democratic Party, which once represented the common man, but morphed into a party of special constituencies which supports positions at odds with Catholic teaching: support for abortion, for same sex marriage, for sexual deviance of every sort and destruction of the family. This is far from the Democratic party I grew up with—180 degrees opposite. It is no longer the same party.
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simple_soul
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I can honastly say that I do not see the GOP as having morphed into anything different than what it has always been. it has just gotten bolder at showing it’s true colors probably because of the reasons you have stated. But that makes me wonder just how authentic conservatism really is and if it really is Christ-like to be what people consider authentic conservatism.
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irishpatrick
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I agree 100%. But I feel the GOP is similar, or at least the Republican voters are. They are not choosing prolife, pro-family, pro-marriage, people. They are voting to stick a finger in the eye of the establishment, and they are not realizing that Trump IS part of that establishment. None of this matters much because it will either be President Trump or President Clinton, and with either of those the core Catholic issues will continue to take enormous hits.
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irishpatrick
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Maybe you are correct. Maybe the GOP has never really been for life, family and marriage. Maybe its all been a political game.
I believe authentic conservatism is very Christian. It centers itself on personal responsibility, small government, religious liberty, protection of life, marriage and family. Caring for the poor, etc. But, that vision/plank no longer exists imo.
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GaryTaylor
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He already stated he would and in fact no republican ever in office has done a thing thus far with Roe vs Wade stopping abortion. So I can’t see your point. But one of emotion rooted on the Cruz loss.
The confusion is in fact Trump stated he would do something, Hillary promotes abortion. Thats the difference you can’t seem to address except by projected opinion. Not a very good argument and basically is a straw man.
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Peter_J
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Indeed. Republicans in Congress, and also Governors, need our support this year more than ever.
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mary_bobo
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With all due respect, exactly what chances has the GOP had to do something about abortion. A case was brought before the SC and they ruled it legal (RvW). Until another case is brought, that is fact. The big difference is in the platforms of the two parties. Do you really want to allow Hillary to appoint the next few SC justices? There will never be any change in the abortion law if that happens.
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GaryTaylor
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Thats it, now I’m mad! 
Everyone has become bolder sister, hunger and poverty have a way of doing this.
Its very plausible it will also lead to unification, been my experience you simply have to fight and hash out these things before the real peace comes. We seemed to have started the process.
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irishpatrick
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My emotion (which I admit I have) has nothing to do with Cruz losing. I expected him to lose. Rather, my emotion has to do more with Trump winning and what that means about this country. People think they can trust Trump to do what he says, without ever looking at his past, both recent and distant past. I do not believe Trump gives one single whit about abortion, marriage or the family (look at how he blasted the Pope unfairly months ago to see how much he respects the faith).He already stated he would and in fact no republican ever in office has done a thing thus far with Roe vs Wade stopping abortion. So I can’t see your point. But one of emotion rooted on the Cruz loss.
The confusion is in fact Trump stated he would do something, Hillary promotes abortion. Thats the difference you can’t seem to address except by projected opinion. Not a very good argument and basically is a straw man.
I accept the will of the people and I will likely hold my nose and vote for Trump, but I don’t have to like my lack of a real choice. I believe the voters have made an enormous mistake during a year in which the GOP candidate was a lock. But the people have spoken.
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_Abyssinia
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Yes Roe v Wade has remained in place because of the Supreme Court (what can presidents do about that until it is overturned which it can be if the right judges are on the Supreme Court?), but Republican presidents have passed pro-life legislation and George W. Bush for example nominated two judges to the Supreme Court who were then appointed and those justices voted to uphold the partial birth abortion ban.He already stated he would and in fact no republican ever in office has done a thing thus far with Roe vs Wade stopping abortion. So I can’t see your point. But one of emotion rooted on the Cruz loss.
The confusion is in fact Trump stated he would do something, Hillary promotes abortion. Thats the difference you can’t seem to address except by projected opinion. Not a very good argument and basically is a straw man.
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irishpatrick
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I do not think Trump will nominate anyone who will help with abortion. I think he will vote middle of the vote, easy to confirm, nominees–he will do that with almost everything so that he is seen as being a doer.
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simple_soul
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Saddly, I don’t believe it ever did exist in the core reasons for the Republican Party. I honastly beleive it was just how they got support and votes to keep unbridled capitalism in place.
A while back, not sure how many years ago it was, I got the impression that the Republican and Democratic parties were actually on the same side playing us for fools by playing into our personal agendas, noble and not so noble ones, to push forth thier agenda of enslaving us all. Left me in a very black hole untill I realized that just as much as there are those who are on both sides working to enslave us all there are those on bothe sides fighting them trying to beet them at thier own game and even this became something to be played and exploited for votes. Now it is a huge mess and right now it looks like the ones who are out to try and enslave us all are winning. Maybe so. But I do have faith and great hope that all things work unto good in the end.
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irishpatrick
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A Republican Congress could have written and passed legislation giving 14th amendment rights to fetuses. There would have been no need for an amendment or for the SC to rule on challenge to Roe v. Wade. They had that chance under Bush–for a very brief window. I don’t see Trump ever supporting or signing such a bill.
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We must understand that many Republicans get abortions. They fornicate, and divorce and living together, etc. They are not going to vote for someone who might actually work to take the legal right to abortion away. As with most Catholics having become part of the world’s mainstream, so too are most Republicans.
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GaryTaylor
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What! But surely capitalism is preferred to socialism which is condemned by the Church thus Christ? How can you be a socialist and be more like Christ?If the democrats morphed any more left we would have to send them to a communist country.
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_Abyssinia
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I don’t think that would stand because of the Supeme Court, see this:
lifenews.com/2011/10/06/there-is-no-silver-bullet-to-overturning-roe-v-wade/
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