Ted Cruz Dropping Out of Republican Presidential Race

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7_Sorrows said:
:clapping::dancing: I am glad he is out. there was a time I considered him a good candidate. the man who really lost tonight is Glen Beck.
I have decided the Republican party probably is not a place for me anymore. I have seen the true colors of the establishment. I cannot return to being a democrat so I don’t know where that leaves me.
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There are plenty of terrific Independents. And they have a lot of power en masse in our electoral system!
 
irishpatrick said:
Trump and Kasich have both stated they are for the three major exceptions. You seem in denial about those exceptions, yet the reality is, those exceptions equal abortion on demand. There is not a wafer of difference between the two regarding their spoken words about abortion.

Some want to feel better about voting for Trump by insisting he is pro-life, they refuse to see that any person who holds those three exceptions is NOT pro-life.
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Trump and Kasich are as pro-abortion as one can get. As you said, not a wafer of difference.
 
irishpatrick said:
Trump and Kasich have both stated they are for the three major exceptions. You seem in denial about those exceptions, yet the reality is, those exceptions equal abortion on demand. There is not a wafer of difference between the two regarding their spoken words about abortion.

Some want to feel better about voting for Trump by insisting he is pro-life, they refuse to see that any person who holds those three exceptions is NOT pro-life.
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By limiting this to incest rape and life of the mother its quite reasonable. And that is a long way from Hillary pro-choice period.

Your point is they don’t go as far as Cruz, I get that but that doesn’t make either an equal comparison to Hillary and there is a for sure distinction, so why would we view them alike? Does that make sense? Its not a reasonable point compared to the ideal of real progress opposed to Hillary. Its semantics of a word game and frankly Hillary deserves no quarter. Its not a practical point and is conceptual semantics.
 
7_Sorrows said:
it certainly seems that way! I will be holding my nose to vote for Trump. I am hoping his behavior will improve between now and the convention. is there a chance of a contested convention yet? I don’t get cable or satellite.
Cruz is a decent guy and loves his country and the Constitution, but there was just something I couldn’t warm up to. I haven’t heard what John Kasich is doing now that Cruz dropped out.
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Pretty sure Kasich is dropping out as well.
 
Little_Sheep said:
Well-put.

I truly think the leadership of the Republican Party would like nothing more than to see the “social” conservative issues of anti-choice and anti-gay go away forever. This autopsy that the Party put together after their 2012 presidential defeat basically says that in plain language: goproject.gop.com/RNC_Growth_Opportunity_Book_2013.pdf

It’s clear that the people who have voted Trump to the ticket are comfortable with his personal positions on the LGBT community and abortion. His positions on those issues are admittedly all over the place, but they are in no way shape or form the traditional positions of the Republican Party.

Younger voters are turned off by the Party’s focus on those issues. I wonder if, following this election cycle, a new Party will spring forth to serve the citizens of our nation for whom stances on these issues are non-negotiable.
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I don’t believe in non-negotiable issues in voting and I don’t think the Pope does either. I am under no delusion that either major party represents my views (both Church driven and my own) well enough to deserve my vote. I certainly don’t think either party represents Catholic values unless you believe that the Church reduces voting to a single issue and, in that case, anything that one party says about it is good enough even if their Presidential candidate changes his position on that issue three times in a day.

Maybe I’ll go third party like Peter J suggests (though I do not think the Constitution Party is on the ballot in Illinois).
 
Catholic_farmer said:
Looks like we have two Democrats to choose from.

Too bad the modern version of Democrats opposes Catholic teachings. It wasn’t always that way. Catholics have been in a tough spot from Kennedy’s time. It’s the evangelicals that are hurting the most now. They solidly aligned themselves with Republicans, and due to Trump’s flip-flopping about like a fish out of water when it comes to issues important to them.such as abortion and religious freedom, they are the ones now left homeless.

Catholics have been homeless for much longer because our bishops have been raising concerns about not just abortion, but social issues as well. We’ve had a safe choice in Republicans for several election cycles, but not anymore. Not quite so earth-shattering to us as to evangelicals. Christians should have never been associated with only one party. We should have been criticizing all candidates, regardless of party, when they opposed our teachings. Evangelicals, and many Catholics, made a big mistake by aligning with one side.

I will concentrate on local elections and skip the presidential vote. A vote for either will not be pro-choice this cycle.
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Two New York Democrats even! Wow!

While I agree that Trump is liberal on social issues, I don;t think of him as a true Republican or a true Democrat. He’s a true populist and a Master Marketer.
 
Little_Sheep said:
Two New York Democrats even! Wow!

While I agree that Trump is liberal on social issues, I don;t think of him as a true Republican or a true Democrat. He’s a true populist and a Master Marketer.
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We almost had Bloomberg run as a third party as well. that would of made it 3 from NY
 
GaryTaylor said:
By limiting this to incest rape and life of the mother its quite reasonable. And that is a long way from Hillary pro-choice period.

Your point is they don’t go as far as Cruz, I get that but that doesn’t make either an equal comparison to Hillary and there is a for sure distinction, so why would we view them alike? Does that make sense? Its not a reasonable point compared to the ideal of real progress opposed to Hillary. Its semantics of a word game and frankly Hillary deserves no quarter. Its not a practical point and is conceptual semantics.
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Oh, any woman who wanted an abortion could just say it’s rape or incest. Bingo! Abortion!

The Church says no abortion for any reason. So anyone who is going to choose their candidate based on that issue had only Cruz to vote for.

At least Hillary’s truthful about it.
 
Little_Sheep said:
Two New York Democrats even! Wow!

While I agree that Trump is liberal on social issues, I don;t think of him as a true Republican or a true Democrat. He’s a true populist and a Master Marketer.
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Which is what scares the living daylights out of me.
 
DeniseNY said:
I supported Bill, I’m ashamed to admit. There’s no way in hell I could support either Hillary or Sanders. Cruz was my choice but now I have to go with Kasich.
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Kasich is out.

Despite his personal peccadilloes, Bill Clinton presided over 8 good years for the USA. Most people remember his governance positively. I think this will help Hillary.
 
baliano said:
Looks an independent candidate who is true to Catholic teaching will get my vote. There is no way I can vote for Trump or Clinton and still call myself a Catholic.
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In such an extreme situation, I believe that there will be reasonable Catholics who don’t vote for president and others who do. And still call themselves Catholic :).
 
Lily_Bernans said:
You could be an Independent. 🤷

I don’t see many other choices for a Republican who feels the party isn’t in her best interests any longer. Sorry I couldn’t be more help. I can’t figure out how the Republican Party got to be where it is, why the people actually believe Trump.
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The Tea Party insurgence was a very big wound to the Republican Party.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Oh, any woman who wanted an abortion could just say it’s rape or incest. Bingo! Abortion!

The Church says no abortion for any reason. So anyone who is going to choose their candidate based on that issue had only Cruz to vote for.

At least Hillary’s truthful about it.
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Exactly.

HRC is a little bit cocky in my opinion.
 
Little_Sheep said:
Kasich is out.

Despite his personal peccadilloes, Bill Clinton presided over 8 good years for the USA. Most people remember his governance positively. I think this will help Hillary.
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Oh, I do, too, LS. Life was great under Bill Clinton.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Oh, any woman who wanted an abortion could just say it’s rape or incest. Bingo! Abortion!

The Church says no abortion for any reason.
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Let me tell you that point is well documented in the thread, in fact Ghosty presented it quite well as usual. You can read and are welcome to comment on any point made but repeating already made arguments doesn’t help ya. But imho while I enjoy a challenging dialogue, which imho Ghosty was the only one who presented one. I believe what you have in your “previous point” is conceptual semantics.

The Church saying no to abortion and our government isn’t a point relevant as mutually exclusive, this is not a theocracy, and as a result we are always to choose the least of the evils, and in this case Trump quite simply compared to Hillary.
 
chero23 said:
When has a person here has said, “that was a republican mistake”.

Every time you hear this, “Well, democrats do it”, or “it’s just the liberal media”.

Why don’t you ask right wing people on here to grow up and take responsibility?
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I have said it many times. I feel the Republicans could have done something about abortion, they failed. I feel the War in Iraq ended-up a huge mistake, it is just that Bush had no way to no that ahead of time–there are many more.
 
Little_Sheep said:
The Tea Party insurgence was a very big wound to the Republican Party.
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That.

And Fox News (oh no, I’m blaming Fox News). They created an echo chamber that said everything the Republicans did was right and everything the Democrats did was wrong. It didn’t allow for thoughtful reflection on the failure of Bush and didn’t detect the underbelly of discontent about economic issues that has driven the Trump rise.

If the Trump nomination blows up Fox News, that would be great for the future of the Republican party.
 
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