Ted Cruz Dropping Out of Republican Presidential Race

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Crossbones said:
If you don’t have thought out answers, Chris Matthews will make you look foolish.
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Chris Matthews is doing a pretty fair job of making himself look foolish all on his own. He was just caught on a hot mic perving out over Donald Trump’s wife Melania while another host was speaking:

"Did you see her walk? Runway walk. My G** is that good. I could watch that runway show!”

Rachel Maddows was unavailable for comment.
 
GaryTaylor said:
No but they are looking to make abortion illegal which does bring into question the legalistic consequence of the abortion being “illegal” in the various situations discussed.

But this has been covered also in the news and Time article. The point is not different than pre-70 where the idea wasn’t to criminalize the women but the illegal abortionists. Which is part of my thinking above on why legal medical aid will be a major issue. You couldn’t just stroll in a Drs office then for this exact reason. The law fell directly on the illegal abortionists. Its true no-one is looking punish women which was a comment and point raised by Trump…

I don’t know what the ultimate intentions are, they in fact were to punish illegal doctors in the past. This is what I’m saying past the reality that Clinton and Trump are simply not the same paradigm, which is the point I called fiction in thinking and absurd. Completely different.

But my further point is and has been that rarely this is deeply thought about. Its one thing to say in moral ethics lets stop this etc. Its another point to actualize and visualize the reality of whats being suggested. Certainly the theory isn’t to drag us back to barbarism in relation to women/abortion, but on the other hand the 1-million deaths is obviously is a concern.
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I understand what you are saying, and I agree that the implications of any law need to be considered. I did not, however, feel that was what this thread was about.
 
Arizona_Mike said:
Chris Matthews is doing a pretty fair job of making himself look foolish all on his own. He was just caught on a hot mic perving out over Donald Trump’s wife Melania while another host was speaking
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Perhaps it’s good that he was caught. No one should be speaking like that, except maybe a presidential candidate.
 
larsont7 said:
My guess is his running mate will be closer to Arnold Schwarzenegger than Ted Cruz. One thing’s for sure, though. This election cycle will be the best reality show on TV this year.

***putting tin foil hat on ***
My money is still on Obama finding a way to get 4 more years in office. Trump offends the wrong person, Hillary gets indicted, major conflict starts in the Middle East, and Obama uses his executive power to “postpone” the elections.
taking tin foil hat off
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I agree with Mark Cubans comments yesterday to a degree and that we are not partisan anymore and we’ve become “tribal” and Donald for sure has a large tribal following.

I find all of it at times somewhat offensive but not just Donald also Obama and Hillary and this imho is consistent.
 
Arizona_Mike said:
Chris Matthews is doing a pretty fair job of making himself look foolish all on his own. He was just caught on a hot mic perving out over Donald Trump’s wife Melania while another host was speaking:

"Did you see her walk? Runway walk. My G** is that good. I could watch that runway show!”

Rachel Maddows was unavailable for comment.
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Agree with you and Patrick - not a fan.

That said, the talk fast interview style will knock people off their game if they haven’t thought through everything clearly.
 
irishpatrick said:
I understand what you are saying, and I agree that the implications of any law need to be considered.
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I did not, however, feel that was what this thread was about.
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Oh I agree I don’t feel that was the original intent either, but then again I didn’t bring it up and the conversation proceeded anyway, I assume because of Teds abortion position compared to others.

Thanks
 
I think of Trump’s abortion position as an all-too-convenient eleventh-hour conversion. When I heard him saying that Planned Parenthood does great work in women’s health, I found it very telling.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
If you do not vote for Trump, then Clinton will be the next President of the United States.
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I’d buy that argument if there were only those two to chose from but that is not the case. As a Catholic I must vote, as a Catholic I cannot violate Catholic teaching by supporting someone who is demonstrably contradicting Catholic teaching. If Trump or Clinton are elected it won’t be due to my Catholic vote but rather due to those who can’t seem to recognize the alternate solution.

Catholics, Christians in general, are who put us in the situation we are today exactly because didn’t due their homework in 2008 and especially in 2012 choosing instead to take the easy route and rationalize that decision with a shrug.
 
tomarin said:
I think of Trump’s abortion position as an all-too-convenient eleventh-hour conversion. When I heard him saying that Planned Parenthood does great work in women’s health, I found it very telling.
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Me, too. All too convenient. Said for politically reasons only. I don’t think he really cares one way or another.
 
Depends what you mean as this is the exact Cruz point…
Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, said that Congress could “absolutely” criminalize all abortion by passing a law giving 14th Amendment protections to fetuses and zygotes, thus bypassing a constitutional amendment overturning Roe v. Wade.
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So your saying you would bet the American people and Christians/Catholics are wasting their time with the abortion issue? Yes, I disagree there, as what exactly it is Trump will do I don’t know, but for sure the issue revolving around him is the will of the people. So the proposition would be is he would ignore this like others? I disagree, but its a point of speculation. I think we are going to resolve this issue and apparently not “exactly” to liking of the left or right. But I do believe 1-million deaths a year will be mitigated as a result.
 
Hmm, a sort of reverse Chirac gambit? “Hold your nose and vote for me, fellers, or you’ll get stuck with Le Pen!” 😃 (yes, I’m dating myself there. Gotta live up to those grey hairs. :p)

As someone whose country had their “Obama moment” a year and a half ago and is living with the consequences, I find this all quite entertaining. 🙂
 
Actually I was referencing Trump who says he does not like abortion but would allow it in in certain cases. Like others I am not terribly convinced by his standing on this topic. Cruz is effectively out of your race now anyway.
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The fact Cruz is out of the race means what? The fact is I am responding to your below comment and with the legal thinking of Cruz and a few others such as Paul.
Also he has no authority to ban it in any case whether he is your president or not.
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Thus here…
Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, said that Congress could “absolutely” criminalize all abortion by passing a law giving 14th Amendment protections to fetuses and zygotes, thus bypassing a constitutional amendment overturning Roe v. Wade.
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Thanks
 
Those “riots” that Trump says will happen if he’s “denied” the nomination still sound quite appealing when compared to him getting the nomination. :mad:
 
tomarin said:
I think of Trump’s abortion position as an all-too-convenient eleventh-hour conversion.
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To be fair, he also had an 11:15 conversion, an 11:20 conversion, and an 11:30 conversion. And if that wasn’t enough, also an 11:45 conversion.
 
Peter_J said:
To be fair, he also had an 11:15 conversion, an 11:20 conversion, and an 11:30 conversion. And if that wasn’t enough, also an 11:45 conversion.
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I think there might have been an 11:59 conversion in there, too.
 
I guess the point is in politics it common for the candidates to flip-flop like Obama and Hillary? 😃

Refreshing to know Trump isn’t a career man in flip flopping politics of the left or right. 😉

That was the point no?
 
So just to reiterate your point that all politicians are “mutually exclusive” flop-flops. And that is a fact I definitely concede. Do you???

So for sure we can assume someone like Hillary is a liar and we can for sure expect this flip flopping to continue and she has no integrity left? Good since this political dilemma appears mutually exclusive to politicians

But Trump isn’t a politician. 😊
 
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